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well that's disappointing -- Oracle doesn't offer VirtualBox on Oracle Solaris |
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yipdw |
or maybe they do and I haven't enabled the $10,000/download repo |
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yipdw |
oh no, they do, it's just not packaged |
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odd |
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Pssst, Oracle is working to kill the parts of it that is Sun |
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yipdw |
yes but I made the mistake of building my storage array on Solaris |
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yipdw |
and I looked at what it would take to migrate it to FreeBSD and said fuckit |
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yipdw |
at least for now, maybe when I get really really bored I'll look at it again |
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balrog |
I'm glad I no longer use Solaris. |
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kyan |
What's the best way to losslessly rip a video DVD? Is BIN/CUE file format suitable? |
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kyan |
(That's the easiest for me, and I can play it easily, so I like that.) |
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DFJustin |
ISO |
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DFJustin |
DVDs don't have the monkey business that CDs do where you need multi tracks etc |
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kyan |
Hmm. Ok... Is BIN/CUE bad, or just not necessary? |
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kyan |
ISOs are annoying because they mount in the file browser instead of playing |
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DFJustin |
not necessary, and for archive.org upload not derivable |
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kyan |
Ah. Ok, hmm |
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kyan |
As long as they don't lose data as compared to ISO, I might still use BIN/Cue and hope that IA adds support for it at a later date. Thanks for your thoughts though, I'll think about it :) |
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yipdw |
kyan: alter your system settings, take on some inconvenience to save everyone else some trouble |
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yipdw |
it's not that big of a deal to have Windows add another program for "Open With" |
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kyan |
"many "old-timers" rightly consider BIN/CUE to be the most pure copy of a disc. On the other hand ISO only keeps the files and folders on the disc and loses much of the other information" |
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kyan |
is that wrong? |
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* |
kyan is paranoid |
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DFJustin |
it's not as dramatic as that and in any case mostly only applicable to CDs |
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kyan |
Um, ok |
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kyan |
Thanks! |
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kyan |
:) |
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DFJustin |
there's probably a weird example somewhere in the universe but every dvd I know of is 1 track data which means no extra data in bin/cue |
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kyan |
so is an ISO file just the data, like the BIN file is? |
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kyan |
(in other words, could I take an ISO file, rename it to BIN, and use it with an existing CUE file?) Or is there extra information preserved in ISO? |
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DFJustin |
so it's a bit complicated because of the way CDs work |
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DFJustin |
for starters, it's the other way around, BIN would be the one to have extra information if there is any |
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kyan |
Oh, hmm |
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DFJustin |
basically BIN is a copy of every sector on the CD in a "raw" format, ISO is the data in a "logical" format which is decoded so that you can see plain text in it if you open it in a hex editor etc |
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kyan |
so I would be safest to go with BIN? |
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kyan |
Oh! I'd definitely go for whatever is closer to the source then |
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DFJustin |
for a CD or DVD which has one (data) track ISO and BIN will have the same information essentially |
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DFJustin |
but BIN will take up a little bit more space |
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kyan |
Ok. |
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DFJustin |
for a CD with multiple tracks or non-data tracks, ISO can't be used and you have to use BIN |
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DFJustin |
the CUE file indicates where each track begins and ends in the BIN |
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kyan |
Ah, so it sounds like BIN is the better format for preserving things and ISO is the better format for making it useful? |
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DFJustin |
you can always convert ISO from BIN if applicable |
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kyan |
Cool. Thanks! :) |
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DFJustin |
so yeah BIN is more preservation-y but the difference is so theoretical for dvds that it' |
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DFJustin |
s kind of silly in my opinion |
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kyan |
Ah, ok |
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pikhq |
Yep, for common data CDs there is essentially no reason to prefer bin/cue. Some stuff is either more complicated or more creative though. |
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pikhq is especially reminded of games that had a CDDA soundtrack |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: https://github.com/joepie91/image-disc :) |
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joepie91_ |
SketchCow: I found another one! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9326598 |
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joepie91_ |
Buttercoin shutting down: https://buttercoin.com/#/goodbye |
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garyrh |
never heard of cloudercoin before. |
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yipdw |
"first you must consider and imagine an internet or world without some of the most beloved businesses in it" |
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yipdw |
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME |
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joepie91_ |
housemate has two decks and a considerable amount of weird hard-to-find vinyl |
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suggestions on correct archival strategy? |
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midas |
record them |
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joepie91_ |
herp derp |
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joepie91_ |
:P |
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midas |
:p |
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dan_ |
we sell a vinyl -> 3.5 audio plug device at work, just a crappy $50 thing iirc |
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dan_ |
you might be able to find a media place that could do it for you, if you don't mind paying and just want the audio from them |
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godane |
so i figure i will be uploading wgbh openvault |
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godane |
we may just have to do is make them un searchable when there put into a collection |
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godane |
that way i can still see the items if they need to be fixed or something |
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godane |
btw some items they have have video links but the videos don't exist |
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joepie91_ |
dan_: the goal is digitizing a crate worth of vinyl records |
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joepie91_ |
and there's two decks here that *could* be hooked up to 3.5 |
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joepie91_ |
but I'm just wondering if there's a better way |
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dan_ |
ah, in that case best of luck |
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dan_ |
>pay interns |
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dan_ |
>??? |
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dan_ |
>archive! |
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joepie91_ |
.t https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1014006.msg10997995 |
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joepie91_ |
er |
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joepie91_ |
.title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1014006.msg10997995 |
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botpie91 |
joepie91_: Uptrenda white paper: p2p altcoin exchange - feedback requested |
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godane |
so i got Dancing Disco show from wgbh openvault |
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DFJustin |
https://news.yahoo.com/iraq-historic-christian-library-saved-militants-195911394.html |
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mahadri |
What's the preferred digest algorithm for WARCs? Is sha256 base64 accepted, or does Archive Team prefer the more common sha1 base32? |
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chfoo |
if you want compatibility with other tools, you should use the same sha1 format. |
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wtron |
any of you guys good at using the wayback machine? |
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wtron |
yesterday this url worked, but today it moans of a non-existent robots.txt https://web.archive.org/web/*/mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ |
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wtron |
ugh robots.txt ruins everything. |
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DFJustin |
the wayback machine team is working on some known bugs with the robots.txt handling |
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DFJustin |
hopefully it will be better soon |
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wtron |
Ah thanks. Hopefully! :) |
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aaaaaaaaa |
So a bunch of kids in New Hampshire learned how politics worked, as commented on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiN_-AEhTpk |
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schbirid |
somehow wpull's warc is much bigger than wget's |
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schbirid |
http://lenagroeger.s3.amazonaws.com/talks/openvis-2015/openvis-loops.html |
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godane |
so i went to Savers Discount store today |
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godane |
i got 2 computer books that have cds in them |
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joepie91_ |
\o/ |
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DFJustin |
wpull has some extra techniques to find links and page requisites |
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phillipsj |
hi |
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joepie91_ |
anyway, to resume - I'm sure you can run a local copy of the forum |
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joepie91_ |
the environment doesn't need to be identical |
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phillipsj |
I think most our migration problem are due to internal disorganization, rather than just technical problems. |
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joepie91_ |
that really shouldn't affect your migration, though |
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phillipsj |
My personal machines are ancient. |
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joepie91_ |
phillipsj: I doubt you can't run a VM :) |
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phillipsj |
I am running into hard RAM limits with 50 browser tabs open :P (1GB) |
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joepie91_ |
1GB is more than enough for eg. a Debian VM |
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joepie91_ |
obviously you wouldn't have all your browser tabs open during the test migration |
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phillipsj |
I guess that is my problem right there: I use the browser for reference :P |
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phillipsj |
My laptop has 1GB of RAM... don't run it 24/7 since I moved IRC idling to the desktop. (running full-time now for freicoin mining) |
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phillipsj |
my cellphone may have 1GB of RAM :P |
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godane |
i'm grabbing the Tim Ferriss show |
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godane |
glenn beck was on it |