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01:38 🔗 godane so my stupid 128gb usb stick is not working
01:38 🔗 godane i fdisk and format it to ext4
01:39 🔗 godane [ 51.838296] usb 2-2.1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
01:44 🔗 xmc is this the 128gb usb stick that was suspiciously cheap?
01:59 🔗 godane yes
01:59 🔗 godane its sandisk cruzer glide
02:00 🔗 godane xmc: any ideas?
02:00 🔗 godane its stuck in read-only mode now
02:07 🔗 xmc beats me
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02:16 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13653692/device-descriptor-read-64-error-110
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06:42 🔗 godane so i will have to see if i can returned that 128gb usb stick tomorrow
06:45 🔗 joepie91_ godane: did you f3 it?
06:49 🔗 godane f3?
06:49 🔗 godane no
06:50 🔗 godane its sandisk
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07:37 🔗 yipdw ugh, that cold-case request gave me the creeps
07:37 🔗 yipdw just a general thing I have about digging up information on unsolved homicides...I just don't like it. I'd probably be a terrible investigator
07:38 🔗 SketchCow unsolved homocide: geocities
07:38 🔗 SketchCow beeeDDD
07:38 🔗 Rotab lol
07:39 🔗 Rotab yeah yipdw, dont wanna read that either
07:40 🔗 yipdw Rotab: yeah, I find it really spooky
07:40 🔗 yipdw I do hope freespiri finds something though
08:06 🔗 joepie91_ godane: f3, test for fake flash
08:06 🔗 joepie91_ that it says sandisk doesn't mean it's actually sandisk
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09:10 🔗 freespiri One more thing.. xmc why doesnt anyone start archiving live video or cams
09:11 🔗 freespiri ersi: do you know
09:13 🔗 ersi IA does archive live US tv feeds
09:13 🔗 ersi did you mean something more specific?
09:14 🔗 freespiri people keep mentioning IA and i am too embarrassed to ask what IA is
09:18 🔗 freespiri ersi: http://archive.org/about/ .. is it this?
09:18 🔗 ersi IA is archive.org yes
09:19 🔗 ersi ArchiveTeam is not IA/archive.org - but we do like them.
09:22 🔗 freespiri oh good.. so can it be used to create a specific location of interest?
09:28 🔗 ersi not sure what you're talking about
09:29 🔗 freespiri what do you mean?
09:30 🔗 ersi that's what I'm asking you
09:31 🔗 freespiri ersi: sorry was just about to tell you
09:31 🔗 ersi :)
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09:38 🔗 freespiri let me give you an example .. its easier for me. example, suppose your daughter went missing and you knew the last place she was. this could only be made public in case of a crime, otherwise stalkers to misuse it. But you having the ability to track and see when someone might have abducted her and then track where that person is taking her using archived cam footage..
09:39 🔗 freespiri stalkers could misuse it*
09:43 🔗 freespiri i think target should archive their video footage as well as other major stores in their parking lots
09:45 🔗 freespiri ersi: allot of police departments do not have the time BUT LOVE ONES DO !!
09:45 🔗 ersi I'm not sure if I missed something you wrote due to the netsplit..
09:46 🔗 ersi Did you write anything between my ":)" response and the "let me give you an example"?
09:47 🔗 freespiri NO... OH, thats what a netsplit is.. never knew that
09:47 🔗 ersi This is a network, if you're connected to server A and I'm on server B - they can lose connection with each other - then I won't see what you wrote on server A as it's not synced over to server B
09:48 🔗 ersi It's not super duper common, but it happens
09:49 🔗 ersi Also, I feel for you and for people who are abducted - but that's a pretty horrible idea privacy wise for everyone who is not abducted
09:49 🔗 freespiri thanks for explaining.. did you understand what i meant by archiving video footage or cams
09:49 🔗 ersi I think so.
09:50 🔗 ersi But yes, anyone can upload anything to the Internet Archive. If Target would upload their CCTV feeds, then it'd be there.
09:51 🔗 ersi Although I doubt they would
09:53 🔗 freespiri on a date of a crime they should .. otherwise ersi its more about keeping the competition out
09:53 🔗 freespiri or it damaging their brand
09:54 🔗 ersi Well, they'll probably save the CCTV footage for a while and if the police ask for it, I'm sure they get it
09:55 🔗 ersi It is after all the US, the land of the freely surveilled
09:56 🔗 freespiri sure if the police ask for it.. i think once the police obtains it it should be archived a year later so others can watch it over and over again
09:58 🔗 freespiri police should get it immediately
09:59 🔗 freespiri day or night
10:00 🔗 ersi uh yeah sure
10:00 🔗 ersi in a fevered dream maybe
10:01 🔗 ersi You do realise you need a pair of eyes to identify that it's happening and send it to the police though, right?
10:02 🔗 ersi I don't want to be disrespectful, but this is basically what's driving the extended often meaningless extention of constant survelience.
10:02 🔗 ersi Optimization for things that rarely happen, that of course are horrible when they happen. Solving social problems with tech.
10:03 🔗 ersi I know you have good intentions, but the road to hell is of coursed paved with good intentions.
10:03 🔗 freespiri I do realize that and if the police missed something another person who caught something on video should alert the police
10:04 🔗 freespiri yes.. i understand what you are telling me
10:05 🔗 ersi We should also collect blood samples, retina scans and fingerprints - then we can analyse any kind of mark that is left if there's a struggle when someone is being abducted
10:06 🔗 ersi And keep track of how individuals move, in case they abduct anyone or commit a crime.
10:06 🔗 freespiri you are telling me parents and loved ones need to learn hack these cameras .. i think these people should be traced, yes
10:07 🔗 ersi There's no such thing as "these people", the set of people is "all people"
10:08 🔗 ersi You can't identify future criminals and only track those
10:09 🔗 ersi I'm also not telling you that parents and other incredibly emotionally sensitive people should hack cameras
10:09 🔗 freespiri we do that already .. thats if the police department sends the Blood in to codis
10:10 🔗 ersi I think your vision is highly distorted
10:10 🔗 freespiri I was teasing about that part
10:10 🔗 ersi and that you're doing society a huge disfavor if this is what you're wishing for
10:10 🔗 ersi actually making it a lot worse
10:11 🔗 ersi and your chosen nickname would be highly ironical
10:12 🔗 freespiri by archiving and watching surveillance coverage where the person was last seen?
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10:14 🔗 ersi Yes, and where that leads to if adopted as a "solution" to your "problem" in general
10:16 🔗 freespiri i kinda disagree with you
10:18 🔗 freespiri maybe regulating the surveillance footage
10:19 🔗 ersi It's things like this that creates daily nonsense discomforts for regular citizens, like the bullshit you have to go through for going through US Customs or flying domestically and such
10:20 🔗 ersi regular, law abiding, non-abducting citizens
10:20 🔗 ersi you know, the majority of people - who are not nuts and are just like you.
10:20 🔗 freespiri i understand that
10:21 🔗 joepie91_ we're not seriously arguing for mass surveillance here, are we?
10:21 🔗 joepie91_ freespiri: "regulating" anything is pointless when you can't trust the regulators - and really, you never can
10:21 🔗 ersi Yes we are, because it can (potentially maybe but far away from guaranteed) save people from being raped and or abducted
10:21 🔗 ersi which is.. almost no one
10:21 🔗 ersi compared to the daily activities of normal people
10:21 🔗 joepie91_ (case in point: practically every regulatory body ever)
10:23 🔗 ersi Technical solutions to social problems.. where to even start on that
10:23 🔗 freespiri if i didn’t abduct or murder a person.. i wouldn’t care if i was seen in the surveillance video.. not my would care
10:24 🔗 ersi Because you have nooothing to hide
10:24 🔗 ersi So you wouldn't mind me stalking you then, either?
10:24 🔗 ersi as in person
10:24 🔗 ersi or possibly through CCTVs
10:24 🔗 joepie91_ freespiri: have a read here, please: http://safeandsavvy.f-secure.com/2013/11/27/yes-you-do-have-something-to-hide/
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10:25 🔗 joepie91_ it is highly relevant to what you just said
10:25 🔗 freespiri I mentioned that before
10:25 🔗 ersi Maybe I'd use the surveilance systems to abduct you.
10:25 🔗 ersi As it'd make it easier to profile you and where you are and when you're exposed
10:25 🔗 midas joepie91_: i think ersi was being sarcastic about it.
10:26 🔗 midas (i hope so)
10:26 🔗 ersi actually, that would be the best tool in aiding abductions
10:26 🔗 joepie91_ midas: hm? afaik I didn't respond to ersi
10:26 🔗 ersi it'd make it super easy
10:26 🔗 midas o :p
10:26 🔗 * midas should scroll up some more
10:26 🔗 joepie91_ lol
10:26 🔗 joepie91_ I only recently joined in the discussion
10:26 🔗 midas oh wait, freespiri said it
10:26 🔗 ersi midas: Good going on joining the conversation
10:26 🔗 midas nevermind
10:27 🔗 joepie91_ anyway, freespiri, in short - you say you wouldn't care about being in surveillance video, but 1) you probably should care, and 2) you do not get to decide for others whether they should care or not
10:27 🔗 ersi actually, he kind of does. As it's those kinds of people (who does not think about consequences, only optimizing for some obscure edge case where there is someone getting hurt) that get to deside just that
10:28 🔗 freespiri whats the difference of me going to the mall and using a camera to record my friend while others walk by?
10:28 🔗 midas Last week tonight explained it the best way
10:28 🔗 ersi It's sensationistic and polititians buy that easily, as does the press
10:28 🔗 ersi freespiri: One is ad hoc and the other is systematic and done in mass
10:28 🔗 midas http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6648540/153296b8/john_oliver_government_surveillance.html watch that freespiri
10:28 🔗 joepie91_ ersi: I mean from an ethical POV.
10:28 🔗 ersi freespiri: I bet you'll have a hard time recording in 10 places at the same time
10:28 🔗 joepie91_ [12:28] <freespiri> whats the difference of me going to the mall and using a camera to record my friend while others walk by?
10:29 🔗 ersi joepie91_: Haha, good one
10:29 🔗 joepie91_ that you have the video, and not somebody else
10:29 🔗 ersi If we on the other hand use all the cameras and centralise it and/or continously publish it - it's easy to follow you around, profile you, record everything you have ever said and you can use that without the context it was said in.
10:30 🔗 ersi That's even if you do not think you have something to hide.
10:30 🔗 ersi If I want to fuck you up, your life and your social network, I could - given enough material
10:30 🔗 freespiri first off i am a she and i wasn't asking to get attacked
10:31 🔗 ersi Sorry if you feel attacked, but you kind of were with that proposition.
10:31 🔗 joepie91_ freespiri: people are simply criticizing and arguing against the statements you are making
10:31 🔗 ersi I'm not attacking you as a person.
10:33 🔗 ersi I'm just trying to explain the chain of consequences and where this technical solution to a social (!) problem will lead
10:33 🔗 ersi That said, of course I'm against abductions of people (where their freedoms are grossly violated)
10:35 🔗 ersi freespiri: Does anything of what I'm saying make sense though?
10:35 🔗 freespiri I get it.... There are other deranged people who would use this in a negative way
10:37 🔗 ersi I would like there to be no abductions what so ever, which I assume you do too. But this particular solution is too brute and can be used too broadly - and will hurt people like you and me, when we are doing normal things. Regardless if we think we have something to hide or not.
10:40 🔗 freespiri and also others psychopaths who would use it to make a mockery out of the victims parents
10:41 🔗 ersi and there are people who legitimately have things to hide, like their where abouts. Like abused partners hiding from abusers, witnesses to trials and such. Those could very well be highly impacted of these kinds of albeit innocent (as in good intentions) solutions.
10:41 🔗 ersi Yes, that as well unfortunately
10:41 🔗 * joepie91_ would go a step further and say that *everybody* has something to hide, even if they don't realize it
10:42 🔗 freespiri did you not read let me give you an example .. its easier for me. example, suppose your daughter went missing and you knew the last place she was. this could only be made public in case of a crime, otherwise stalkers to misuse it.
10:43 🔗 ersi I did read that
10:43 🔗 joepie91_ freespiri: this already exists - this is called a subpoena
10:43 🔗 ersi That's been said as well
10:45 🔗 freespiri what i mentioned could help namUs.gov
10:46 🔗 joepie91_ freespiri: I don't see what argument you are trying to make?
10:49 🔗 ersi Well, there's plenty of back log. I'd start with reading the beginning (at the netsplit) briefly
10:50 🔗 freespiri and doenetwork.org
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11:01 🔗 freespiri ersi: i need to go but ill come back later to finish explaining
11:06 🔗 freespiri but i understand what you were trying to tell me.. Thankyou ersi i appreciate your time
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15:07 🔗 xmc well that was interesting
15:11 🔗 ersi The what, when, now?
15:15 🔗 xmc discussion last night with freespiri
15:16 🔗 ersi hehe night
15:16 🔗 ersi But yes, I agree - it was interesting.
15:25 🔗 SketchCow -bs gonna -bs
15:26 🔗 ersi True that. At least the discussion was brought over to -bs ;)
15:27 🔗 SketchCow Internet Detective
15:28 🔗 * ersi put on his trench coat and picks up his magnifying glas
15:28 🔗 ersi glass
15:28 🔗 ersi or more like, sass
15:28 🔗 SketchCow I initially saw the discussion and saw a woman asking not to be attacked and my heart sunk a tad.
15:29 🔗 SketchCow Then I read both channels and I was happy she was somehow still walking straight at the end of that, because I'd have probably gone choke-y at the end.
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16:45 🔗 godane SketchCow: your getting WBEZ 91.5 Worldview show
16:46 🔗 godane so we will have collection of that
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16:46 🔗 godane and maybe WBEZ 848 show at some point
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16:51 🔗 SketchCow Great.
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17:29 🔗 schbirid > a woman
17:29 🔗 schbirid *someone saying to be a woman on the internet
17:29 🔗 schbirid ;)
17:29 🔗 schbirid woof woof!
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17:35 🔗 anomie Is it possible to multithread wpull effectively?
17:37 🔗 schbirid it has a --concurrent flag
17:38 🔗 anomie Oh, all right.
17:39 🔗 schbirid no idea how well it works
17:39 🔗 anomie It seems to work all right.
17:39 🔗 anomie Can't tell if it really affects the speed or not.
17:40 🔗 anomie I'm sure the web admin won't mind me cloning his site with 4 concurrent threads and no rate limiting. ^_^
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17:53 🔗 xmc :D
18:18 🔗 godane SketchCow: i'm uploading myspleen videos to your ftp
18:19 🔗 phillipsj I usually try to be nice and take a week to clone a site :P
18:20 🔗 godane its random vhs videos
18:20 🔗 godane or out of print stuff
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19:35 🔗 swebb xmc: ops please?
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19:35 🔗 xmc ohai
19:35 🔗 xmc sets mode: +o swebb
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19:56 🔗 schbirid oh lol
19:56 🔗 schbirid chfoo: could it be that --concurrent 4 makes wpull grab everything 4 times if you mirror a site? ;)
19:56 🔗 schbirid *upto
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19:57 🔗 schbirid something like that seems to have happened here
19:57 🔗 schbirid or maybe it was the resume
19:58 🔗 schbirid it also seems to have tried to access a lot of invalid domains
20:03 🔗 schbirid on the other hand it seems to have captured urls that wget did not
20:03 🔗 schbirid that might have been redirects actually
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20:30 🔗 chfoo it shouldn't. the code has been tested with at least of 50 TB of data :)
20:32 🔗 chfoo also --concurrent doesn't add more threads because it's single threaded (except for the dns resolver). you might need a faster cpu if it becomes slow.
20:33 🔗 chfoo oh, schbirid left
20:45 🔗 Panasonic June 1st
20:45 🔗 Panasonic Patriot Act reauthorization
20:45 🔗 Panasonic you americans should do something about it
20:47 🔗 xmc good point
20:47 🔗 xmc thanks for the heads-up
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21:44 🔗 SketchCow https://twitter.com/antonkudin/status/585555371013623810
21:44 🔗 SketchCow Who doesn't want to be a patriot
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22:58 🔗 xmc SketchCow: http://mentalfloss.com/article/62104/action-park-bringing-back-cannonball-loop
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23:23 🔗 godane SketchCow: https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22bbs%20magazine%22&sort=-publicdate
23:24 🔗 godane i figure BBS Magazine could have a collection of its own instead of it being in computer-magazine-rack collection
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