#archiveteam-bs 2015-05-08,Fri

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04:27 🔗 godane i'm going after iol.co.za website
04:28 🔗 godane i can brute force the number id of the artciles
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04:28 🔗 godane they also redirect to the real links so there saved properly
04:29 🔗 godane i only found out about the site cause of glenn becks old website links
04:29 🔗 godane from 2001
04:30 🔗 godane last link on this page: http://archive.glennbeck.com/archives/01-31-01.shtml
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04:59 🔗 Start wow, youtube's completely screwed up the leeroy jenkins video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU)
05:00 🔗 Start the video and sound have became very low quality
05:01 🔗 Start and the audio cuts out during the LEEROY JENKINS battle cry
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05:07 🔗 joepie91 Start: copyright!
05:09 🔗 Start it's very weird how it was removed though, you can still hear a bit of the LEEROY part briefly cut in
05:11 🔗 Start the top comment on this eli5 post guesses that the original video had an exotic audio codec and youtube screwed it up when converting the video to an html5 friendly format: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/357s6l/eli5_all_of_a_sudden_the_famous_video_of_leeroy/
05:17 🔗 Start fortunately there's still this upload of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hooKVstzbz0
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06:22 🔗 DFJustin I still have the (original?) wmv from back int he day
06:23 🔗 Lord_Nigh upload plz
06:25 🔗 DFJustin it's alread on ia https://archive.org/details/LeeroyJenkins
06:27 🔗 DFJustin (same checksum)
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07:37 🔗 midas LEEEEEROY..Jenkins.
07:38 🔗 midas i remember that vid
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16:33 🔗 schbirid2 anyone able to play the videos on http://www.universal-music.de/rihanna/videos/detail/video:366120/american-oxygen (without flash)?
16:35 🔗 phillipsj challenge accepted! (BTW I have not been able to play crunchyroll.com videos without flash)
16:38 🔗 phillipsj looks like they do anti-adblocking tricks (breaking up the script tags for duobleclick.net)
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16:42 🔗 schbirid2 ha, typical
16:42 🔗 schbirid2 i even tried with tor browser though, no luck
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16:45 🔗 phillipsj got 403 forbidden on my first attempt.
16:46 🔗 schbirid2 i always get 404 for the video file
16:46 🔗 schbirid2 the amount of requests the page does is insane
16:47 🔗 phillipsj first attempt was: "http://www.universal-music.de/rihanna/videos/player-config/video:359614/rihanna-kanye-west-paul-mccartney-fourfiveseconds/e" (pulled from meta property="og:video")
16:47 🔗 schbirid2 ah, i only tried normally with the browser (firefox, chromium, operashitversion)
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16:49 🔗 phillipsj omg, the "secure_url" is the same only the the outer nest of the redirect has HTTPS
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16:52 🔗 schbirid2 ff in vbox fails too
16:52 🔗 schbirid2 i block some stuff in my router thuogh
16:56 🔗 schbirid2 brb
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17:02 🔗 schbirid no luck with ie either
17:04 🔗 schbirid i give up
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17:04 🔗 yipdw joepie91: https://medium.com/@b_k/https-the-end-of-an-era-c106acded474
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17:08 🔗 yipdw I thought that dovetailed nicely with your argument against mandatory HTTPS
17:08 🔗 phillipsj looks like they use RTMP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Messaging_Protocol
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17:10 🔗 wacky Yea, it is rtmp, there are some tools out there (rtmpdump) but it will be a pain in the ass as rtmp is the devil
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17:10 🔗 wacky looks like rtmp over port 80 which is also interesting
17:10 🔗 swebb Can I get op?
17:11 🔗 phillipsj looks like they use flowplayer too: http://flash.flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/rtmp.html
17:11 🔗 schbirid ah, rtmp -> not fun to archive, retreat
17:12 🔗 * phillipsj just wants a machine untainted my binary blobs.
17:12 🔗 phillipsj *by
17:12 🔗 schbirid yipdw: let me guess, a long rant about the CA situation?
17:12 🔗 yipdw actually no
17:12 🔗 yipdw you should read it, it's a rare essay about the social aspect of software and networks
17:12 🔗 schbirid ok, convinced
17:12 🔗 yipdw CAs do play into it but it's not the primary thing
17:13 🔗 schbirid the style of thef irst lines turned me off
17:13 🔗 schbirid "medium.com" "introvert" "essay" =)
17:13 🔗 yipdw my personal stance on mandatory HTTPS is "I don't give a fuck because fuck computers" but on the other hand the internet does have real meaning beyond my fuck-computers stance
17:14 🔗 schbirid i'd really like trust on first contact somehow
17:14 🔗 xmc sets mode: +o swebb
17:14 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o DFJustin
17:14 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o SadDM
17:14 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o balrog
17:14 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o ersi
17:15 🔗 yipdw and increasing organizational approval to do something which you didn't really need before isn't good
17:16 🔗 schbirid ok, i gave up on that text. sorry but toolongwinded;turnedmeoff
17:19 🔗 yipdw that said mandatory encryption is going to screw with me because I am not purchasing a wildcard cert for ninjawedding.org just for the ArchiveBot dashboard
17:19 🔗 yipdw I guess "mandatory HTTPS" is the better phrase, encryption itself is no problem
17:19 🔗 schbirid wasnt the mozilla plan for a really really long timeframe?
17:20 🔗 yipdw I hope so, because that means it will never happen
17:20 🔗 schbirid within which they will wait for things like the eff's ca etc
17:24 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Mozilla's "plan" has to have been to gauge buy-in, they don't have the clout to do it themselves.
17:24 🔗 yipdw Google does
17:26 🔗 yipdw relatedly I found that openssl s_client in its default configuration does not work with SNI
17:26 🔗 yipdw so that was fun
17:26 🔗 yipdw you need to pass -serverName to make it work
17:26 🔗 yipdw naturally the solution here is to get the entire internet on ipv6 and rofl
17:28 🔗 schbirid fuck
17:28 🔗 schbirid i had some netlabel in a tab open for months
17:28 🔗 schbirid meaning to archive it
17:28 🔗 schbirid and now
17:28 🔗 schbirid http://www.starquakerecords.com
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17:28 🔗 yipdw browser extension to shove your current tab's URL to ArchiveBot
17:28 🔗 schbirid ah http://starquakerecords.weebly.com/
17:29 🔗 yipdw IRC client in a browser, what could go wrong
17:29 🔗 schbirid yay, its all there
17:29 🔗 * schbirid archives
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18:12 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: that is a very, very good post
18:13 🔗 joepie91 with a very interesting perspective
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18:19 🔗 schbirid so i thought, let's do angelfire tonight
18:19 🔗 schbirid they have a sitemal.xml for each user
18:19 🔗 schbirid inside are all their html pages, not images or anything else
18:19 🔗 schbirid so what would be the best way to take them all (per user) and grab all their --page-requisites as well?
18:20 🔗 schbirid they are often too many to simply pass a list of URLs to the wget invocation
18:20 🔗 xmc sounds about right
18:21 🔗 schbirid oh wait, i could just put them all into one file with one url per line and use -i
18:21 🔗 schbirid let's try that
18:21 🔗 joepie91 yeah, -i
18:21 🔗 xmc why not a warrior job
18:22 🔗 xmc wget will oom
18:22 🔗 schbirid yeah, i can do it easily i think
18:22 🔗 xmc ok yeah i see now
18:22 🔗 xmc angelfire <3
18:22 🔗 joepie91 At Least It's Not Geocities
18:23 🔗 schbirid every time i do something like "--reject-regex='(www.angelfire.com\/adm\/ad\/|www.angelfire.com\/doc\/images\/track\/ot_noscript\.gif)'" i feel really dumb
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18:41 🔗 schbirid script is ready \o/
18:43 🔗 ersi Fire awaay!
18:49 🔗 schbirid oh, 3895290 users, oops?
18:50 🔗 xmc it'll be fiiiiine
18:50 🔗 schbirid i'll split them per sitemap
18:50 🔗 xmc we've done bigger projects :)
18:50 🔗 xmc i'd say put one user per row into the tracker
18:50 🔗 xmc this is what the tracker is designed to do!
18:50 🔗 schbirid i am not writing tracker stuff. never learned that
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18:50 🔗 xmc ah
18:50 🔗 xmc now's the time to learn!
18:51 🔗 schbirid meh, not me!
18:51 🔗 xmc :(
18:51 🔗 xmc but this will actually work better
18:51 🔗 schbirid docs anywhere?
18:52 🔗 xmc you can crib from any of the warrior projects in https://github.com/archiveteam/
18:52 🔗 xmc baraza-grab for example
18:52 🔗 xmc or lastfm-grab
18:53 🔗 xmc this is iiuc the file you want to modify to make it your own:
18:53 🔗 xmc https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/lastfm-grab/blob/master/lastfm.lua
18:53 🔗 xmc actually, start from: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/example-wpull-seesaw-project
18:53 🔗 schbirid luaaaaaaa
18:53 🔗 schbirid nah, i want to get it done. sorry
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18:53 🔗 xmc :( ok
18:54 🔗 xmc done is better than perfect and unfinished
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19:04 🔗 joepie91 xmc: I'd say that's highly contextual
19:04 🔗 joepie91 lol
19:04 🔗 xmc right yes
19:05 🔗 xmc let's just say that i trust schbirid to make well-formed and reasonably complete warcs
19:05 🔗 xmc and i don't want to stand in front of them and say NOPE DO IT MY WAY
19:05 🔗 joepie91 would certainly rather have a perfect and unfinished nuke, than I'd have a "done" one :D
19:05 🔗 joepie91 but then, perhaps nukes aren't quite warcs
19:06 🔗 xmc different goals
19:06 🔗 schbirid warghs
19:06 🔗 joepie91 depending on who you ask, of course...
19:06 🔗 joepie91 :P
19:08 🔗 schbirid lol, first user i hit, mp3z http://www.angelfire.com/dragon2/poofi_airboy/
19:11 🔗 schbirid oh great, infinite calendars http://filesha.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog?from=20231130
19:11 🔗 schbirid fuck, any suggestion how to handle those?
19:12 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: "ignore it all", generally :P
19:12 🔗 aaaaaaaaa schbirid: you may want to check archive.org because www.angelfire.com was grabbed with archivebot (but not subdomains)
19:12 🔗 xmc add an ignore that matches regex 20[2-9]..... and so forth
19:13 🔗 schbirid http://filesha.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog?from=090131
19:13 🔗 schbirid aaaaaaaaa: oh! i was looking at http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Angelfire
19:14 🔗 schbirid nothing here https://archive.org/search.php?query=angelfire
19:14 🔗 xmc wait is that ?from= parameter unixtime
19:14 🔗 xmc lol
19:14 🔗 xmc yeah uh maybe ignore it all
19:17 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/9yhap
19:17 🔗 winr4r is angelfire closing?
19:20 🔗 schbirid aaaaaaaaa: i prefer human readable archives in addition :(
19:20 🔗 schbirid err, standard archives. like 7z
19:20 🔗 schbirid winr4r: you never know
19:20 🔗 winr4r ah
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20:04 🔗 schbirid test run overnight "Downloading sitemap 00 and all its ~16000 users, hold tight..."
20:05 🔗 schbirid i gave up my "set -e" "-u" and "-o pipefail" experiments because everything just exited silently and some point
20:06 🔗 winr4r 16000?
20:06 🔗 winr4r that looks way too low
20:07 🔗 winr4r well, feels*
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20:08 🔗 schbirid just the first of 256 sitemaps
20:08 🔗 aaaaaaaaa there are multiple sitemaps
20:08 🔗 schbirid 00 to ff, kinda freaky how that fit almost perfectly
20:10 🔗 winr4r aaaaaaaaa: oh!
20:10 🔗 winr4r i was going to say "ah", but that looks odd next to your username
20:10 🔗 winr4r schbirid: yeah, that is
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20:19 🔗 Start http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/prime-minister-of-singapore-shares-his-c-code-for-sudoku-solver/
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20:22 🔗 winr4r neat af
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20:24 🔗 aaaaaaaaa my favorite complaint about that I saw was to the effect of "That is C code not C++, idiot doesn't know the difference."
20:25 🔗 winr4r don't read the comments!
20:28 🔗 winr4r on the off chance that he did actually get that wrong and that it wasn't a reporter transcribing him wrong, i'd still someone well-versed enough to write a sudoku solver over a mong like our PM who seriously hinted at banning encryption
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20:29 🔗 DFJustin it's a .cpp in the google drive folder
20:29 🔗 DFJustin but there's no law that you have to use c++ features
20:31 🔗 winr4r just tried, compiles as C
20:33 🔗 joepie91 so it's a PM who can write polyglots?
20:33 🔗 joepie91 bonus points!
20:33 🔗 joepie91 :P
20:33 🔗 winr4r haha
20:34 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Technically, wouldn't it be objective-c too?
20:34 🔗 schbirid kinda dumb how angelfire has users with no urls in the sitemaps
20:34 🔗 joepie91 the consequences of not designing for remote API failures: http://i.imgur.com/2MOZxuu.png
20:36 🔗 xmc :\
20:36 🔗 joepie91 also
20:36 🔗 joepie91 vps-forge is hutting down
20:36 🔗 joepie91 :(
20:36 🔗 joepie91 shutting *
20:36 🔗 schbirid jabba
20:36 🔗 winr4r joepie91: at my last job we developed an iphone app that used a REST API (i was building the API bit)
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20:37 🔗 joepie91 https://vpsboard.com/topic/6979-vps-forge-is-shutting-down/
20:37 🔗 joepie91 xmc: that was my fuckup btw, I forgot my error handling there
20:37 🔗 winr4r every now and then i would put something in there to return invalid JSON just to keep the app-developer guy on his toes
20:37 🔗 joepie91 which is why I have this error reporting thing :P
20:37 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: heh
20:37 🔗 winr4r the first time i did it he was like "wuh the app crashed" and i didn't tell him i was deliberately introducing errors
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20:38 🔗 winr4r he worked it out after like, two hours and i was like "yes, i did that, now please sanity check your fucking data"
20:38 🔗 joepie91 hahaha
20:40 🔗 winr4r i suppose that was a dick move but as little as i understand objective-C, i saw zero sanity checks in his code
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20:41 🔗 xmc eh
20:41 🔗 xmc ever heard of the netflix chaos monkey
20:41 🔗 winr4r he learned to do sanity checks after that, started writing solid code, and got hired as an app developer for an insurance company a few weeks after i left that place
20:42 🔗 winr4r moral of the story: be a dick, it makes other people better
20:42 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: amen :P
20:42 🔗 joepie91 but then again, I don't think anybody doubts I can be a dick for that same reason
20:43 🔗 winr4r well, stronger*
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20:48 🔗 winr4r joepie91: as for vps-forge, the kind of people that are paying for a VPS probably know how to move their shit somewhere else
20:48 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: I know, was just a PSA :)
20:48 🔗 joepie91 may still be worth having a look though
20:49 🔗 joepie91 3 week shutdown notice, container backups offered
20:49 🔗 joepie91 but they've been around for 5 years without a hitch
20:49 🔗 joepie91 so some may miss the notice
20:49 🔗 * joepie91 still has to figure out where he's going to move his stuff
20:50 🔗 winr4r joepie91: i'm with digitalocean, been very good so far
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20:51 🔗 joepie91 digitalocean always has been very meh to me
20:51 🔗 winr4r as much as their advertising makes me want to crotch-kick whoever thought *that* was a good idea
20:52 🔗 winr4r or at least, did, i'm not sure if they're still running with the "hurr i do not know how to server" hook
20:52 🔗 joepie91 because 1) their perf really isn't all that impressive 2) I don't get the impression that I'll be talking to an actual human being whenever I need support 3) it's quite obvious that they're burning through VC money
20:52 🔗 joepie91 and 4) their network is not exactly reliable across the board
20:54 🔗 winr4r joepie91: 1) wfm 2) i don't care if my shit doesn't go offline 3) they can do that and i am happy because they're ten minutes, a credit card payment and an rsync command away from them losing their business
20:55 🔗 joepie91 wfm?
20:55 🔗 winr4r joepie91: works for me
20:55 🔗 joepie91 ah
20:55 🔗 winr4r a handy side-effect of leaving a screen(1) on my VPS on IRC is that i learn as soon as i get home if my VPS or its network has gone down
20:55 🔗 winr4r happened once in months
20:55 🔗 joepie91 right, I do care about support - when shit hits the fan (and it'll inevitably will at some point), I want a provider to be helpful rather than another obstacle to navigate around
20:56 🔗 joepie91 that's not a reliable uptime monitor
20:56 🔗 xmc apt-get install uptimed !
20:57 🔗 joepie91 I don't just mean system uptime
20:57 🔗 joepie91 also network uptime
20:57 🔗 joepie91 connecting via a screen won't catch network blips
20:57 🔗 joepie91 while those can have real consequences
20:57 🔗 xmc apt-get install uptimed smokeping
20:57 🔗 joepie91 and DO had serious issues with network blips, a year ago anyway
20:57 🔗 winr4r joepie91: yeah, obvious disclaimer is that nobody loses money if my VPS goes down
20:57 🔗 joepie91 so unless they've fixed that...
20:57 🔗 midas routing/connectivity/support/abuse
20:57 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: same for me, doesn't mean I don't want reliability :)
20:57 🔗 midas all important
20:58 🔗 winr4r fair dos
21:00 🔗 joepie91 anyhow, as far as I'm concerned, I don't really see DigitalOcean beating RamNode in any respect other than having a Singapore(?) location
21:00 🔗 joepie91 the perf is worse, the price is about the same, the disk space is much less, the network is (or at least was) less reliable, the support isn't as good
21:01 🔗 winr4r gotcha
21:02 🔗 joepie91 (and RamNode isn't burning VC money either)
21:02 🔗 joepie91 (proper, sustainably built business)
21:02 🔗 joepie91 oh, and DO doesn't offer DDoS mitigation either
21:02 🔗 winr4r (that really doesn't bother me, i don't mind bankrupting VVCs)
21:03 🔗 winr4r -V
21:03 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: I don't mind that either, but that's not my point
21:04 🔗 joepie91 VC capital is almost a sure sign that there's no sustainable business
21:04 🔗 joepie91 which means it can implode or "pivot" at any time (read: you as a customer get screwed over, packed in a fancy looking package)
21:04 🔗 joepie91 just look at what Heroku is pulling now, for example
21:04 🔗 joepie91 that's the kind of antics to generally be expected from business that either get started with VC capital or are still running off it
21:05 🔗 xmc what's heroku up to?
21:05 🔗 joepie91 xmc: tightening up their free plan
21:05 🔗 xmc ah
21:05 🔗 winr4r i don't agree, i treat hosting like i do supermarkets
21:05 🔗 joepie91 I believe it translates to something along the lines of "you can use it 18 out of 24 hours a day"
21:05 🔗 joepie91 which is just... what
21:06 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: your business with a supermarket ends the moment you step away from the cash register
21:06 🔗 winr4r cheap, and if it disappears there's really no shortage of other places to sell me the same thing
21:06 🔗 joepie91 that is not the case for a hosting provider
21:06 🔗 joepie91 your pot of instant coffee is not going to disappear from your storage cabinet, just because the supermarket you bought it from went bankrupt
21:06 🔗 joepie91 yet that's /exactly/ what happens with hosting
21:07 🔗 joepie91 they're really not comparable at all
21:08 🔗 winr4r joepie91: the analogy was to point out that there's a lot of competition in the same market and that, taking the wider case, the kind of person that knows how to work a VPS is almost certainly going to have local copies of shit
21:08 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: whether there is a lot of competition depends entirely on the kind of service
21:08 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: for example, name a replacement for vps-forge
21:09 🔗 joepie91 there goes 95% of the VPS companies right off the list, because they're not in Hetzner
21:09 🔗 winr4r joepie91: Hetzner?
21:09 🔗 joepie91 the remaining ones are typically either out of stock, severely restrict bandwidth usage, or are expensive
21:09 🔗 joepie91 yes, Hetzner
21:09 🔗 joepie91 a datacenter in Germany
21:09 🔗 xmc hetzner is some datacenter iirc
21:09 🔗 joepie91 with a very good network for EU
21:10 🔗 joepie91 it's /extremely/ stable
21:10 🔗 joepie91 like, "goes months without a single blip" stable
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21:11 🔗 winr4r ah gotcha
21:12 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: what further complicates matters is that many VPS providers have node reboots with some regularity
21:12 🔗 joepie91 so this
21:12 🔗 joepie91 de1:~# uptime
21:12 🔗 joepie91 00:22:59 up 243 days, 4:19, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
21:12 🔗 joepie91 is very unlikely to be easy to find
21:12 🔗 joepie91 taking into account other requirements
21:12 🔗 winr4r eh, i just don't see how it's an issue, there's no shortage of VPS providers and while they might not be as good as vps-forge, their business model was unsustainable by their own admission
21:13 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: there was never any such admission.
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21:13 🔗 joepie91 read the email carefully
21:13 🔗 joepie91 in fact, I strongly suspect it comes down to "this is too taxing on our personal lives"
21:13 🔗 joepie91 which is probably the #1 cause for shutdowns in the VPS industry for companies that have been around for a while
21:14 🔗 joepie91 and the "not as good as" is exactly the problem
21:14 🔗 winr4r joepie91: i factor that into "bad business model"
21:14 🔗 joepie91 it being that good is part of my requirements
21:14 🔗 joepie91 which are not fulfilled by others
21:14 🔗 joepie91 I don't /care/ that there are worse options available, they do not fulfill my requirements
21:14 🔗 joepie91 so no, you can't just arbitrarily replace a VPS
21:14 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: it doesn't.
21:15 🔗 joepie91 I'm kind of running out of ways to describe this
21:15 🔗 joepie91 or explain this, rather
21:16 🔗 joepie91 "there's other VPS companies" in no way logically results in "it is easy to replace any VPS"
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21:21 🔗 winr4r joepie91: we don't disagree as much as your wording suggests
21:25 🔗 winr4r i treat VPSes like a dude handing out free pizzas, that's going to be fun while it lasts, but i am not going to go hungry when it ends
21:27 🔗 winr4r and people with VPSes are the kind of people with enough technical knowledge that they have no excuse if they don't know how to make lunch when free pizza party ends
21:28 🔗 winr4r (you can blame SketchCow for my love for stretched analogies)
21:41 🔗 yipdw archivebot@archivebot-proto2:~$ w
21:41 🔗 yipdw 21:41:38 up 360 days, 4:51, 1 user, load average: 1.43, 1.51, 1.46
21:41 🔗 yipdw let's see if digitalocean can do one year
21:43 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: right, that might be how you treat VPSes - my problem is that you seemed to be extending that attitude to "VPS users" in general, which is incorrect ;)
21:47 🔗 winr4r 17:47:20 up 182 days, 12:24, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
21:47 🔗 winr4r half way there, yipdw
21:47 🔗 yipdw I actually really hope DO does because ArchiveBot startup is not documented
21:48 🔗 yipdw and I've punted on supervisory processes and startup procedures because I hate doing that
21:48 🔗 yipdw one of these days I'll get around to it
21:49 🔗 winr4r joepie91: maybe your social groups give you a different perspective, but all the people i've known with a VPS have been the kind that know how to do rsync and move their shit somewhere else in twenty minutes
21:50 🔗 xmc i can move my shit elsewhere in a hurry but it'll take a while to unpack it and set up shop again
21:50 🔗 xmc dns and so forth, at the very least
21:50 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: but that's my point. you're deriving it from your own perspective without taking into account that other perspectives may (and probably do) exist
21:50 🔗 joepie91 which is the problem with most blanket assertions
21:51 🔗 ersi mmmh blankets
21:51 🔗 winr4r joepie91: that's what discussion is for, finding other perspectives :)
22:01 🔗 winr4r joepie91: tbh, i trust hosting providers so little that i wrote a static site generator for my motorsports stuff to make a migration to another provider as painless as possible
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23:40 🔗 joepie91 sent a sales query to afterburst
23:40 🔗 joepie91 let's see what happens
23:40 🔗 joepie91 they've been around for a good while, I recall them being similar to VPS-Forge
23:40 🔗 joepie91 also in Germany, but a diff network
23:41 🔗 joepie91 cc winr4r
23:51 🔗 winr4r joepie91: good luck :)

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