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[00:00] I'm not sure if you're talking about the map, or me, or what [00:00] nah just the proposal and how it slots into my personal view of what's been going on archiveteam-wise [00:01] it just came at a bad time for me, that's all [00:01] oh dear [00:01] dare I ask [00:02] I feel like web activity has been about saving murders, harassment, terabytes of e-sports tournament stats [00:02] just to be clear, I didn't mean to appear entitled or anything [00:02] oh [00:02] you see that a lot and it gets you down [00:02] yeah [00:03] people are ugly [00:03] that's part of why I want to save this [00:03] so we can indeed confirm that things suck [00:03] so people can look back and decide whether this shit was a monument or a mistake [00:03] for the 24th time [00:04] but yeah, in my opinion you need to save the bad with the good because otherwise you're giving future generations a whitewashed picture of history [00:05] sorta like that whole mess about the Confederate flag that's going on in the US [00:05] that concern works in reverse [00:05] as if getting rid of a frigging flag that doesn't even universally symbolize racism or slavery will magically make racism less of a problem [00:08] yipdw: that's why you need to save both, so people can decide for themselves [00:09] yes [00:09] that is true in theory [00:10] my personal view is that recent activity in archiveteam has veered too much in a direction that I don't care for and there is no amount of logic or explanation that will change that [00:10] luckily, my personal view is powerless [00:10] sign of the times, I guess [00:11] and/or a sign of the group's composition [00:11] also what exactly do you mean by "harrassment" [00:11] I'm not going there because there is no way we will have a calm discussion about that on the Internet [00:11] okay, so GamerGate [00:12] fair enough, this is neither the time or the place for that kind of insanity [00:12] one more thing [00:13] have you considered having the Seesaw docs uploaded on Read The Docs? [00:13] https://readthedocs.org [00:13] we could do it, several other AT projects use ReadTheDocs [00:14] would definitely be handy for people like me who use say Portable Python [00:22] *** SimpBrain has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [00:33] *** aschmitz has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:33] Balrog-34: https://seesaw-kit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ [00:34] we could probably also add the README to the generated docs, since that and the example projects are probably the best references at the moment [00:34] neat [00:38] *** ivan` has left [00:41] all right, thanks again for bothering to listen to me [00:41] I for one need to head to bed [00:41] hope everyone has a good night [00:41] *** Balrog-34 has quit IRC (Quit: I'm offensive and I find this Jewish. ~ Decanter) [00:43] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:28] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [01:40] *** godane has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [01:51] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:44] *** Infreq has quit IRC (Quit: 始めましょう!) [02:44] *** Infreq has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:00] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:20] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:25] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:34] yipdw: Hey emo kid [03:34] You might notice the stuff I tend to save [03:35] Art groups, essay blogs, museums sites, quaint hotels, thoughtful philosophical statements. [03:36] Don't lose the fire! [03:42] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:42] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [03:43] *** xmc sets mode: +o swebb [03:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o DFJustin [03:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o SadDM [03:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [03:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o brayden_ [03:46] *** aaaaaaaaa sets mode: +ooo arkiver chfoo yipdw [04:15] *** kyan has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:16] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:17] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:19] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:19] *** kyan_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:21] *** kyan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [04:23] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:25] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Leaving) [04:26] Also, I just uploaded the ENTIRE Pale Moon browser code archive before the lead maintainer deleted it off his drive. [04:28] *** Sue_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:57] *** mistym_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:02] Why did he delete it? [05:03] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:06] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:10] *** useretail has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:11] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:12] *** garyrh has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:13] *** Jonimus has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:15] *** maz_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:15] *** sep332 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:15] *** marvinw has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:18] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:18] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:20] *** logchfoo_ starts logging #archiveteam-bs at Mon Aug 03 05:20:22 2015 [05:20] *** logchfoo_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:21] *** sep332 has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:23] *** maz_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:36] *** SadDM has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:36] *** swebb sets mode: +o SadDM [06:00] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [06:03] hey is anyone here good with git? I'm having committing my changes for some reason, it used to work fine but now it doesn't [06:04] https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n0wQMPJA/ [06:05] That's not an error I've seen before... [06:05] It looks like you are using a GUI, have you tried from the commandline? [06:06] I have no idea how to do any of this without the windows gui [06:06] i'll go read how now i guess [06:08] good luck. I'm heading to sleep now, or I'd try to help more... [06:09] *** Jonimus has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:10] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:11] i did a commit from the command line based of some of this info, and it seems to be working as it was before now [06:11] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/kristol/archive/2013/07/02/the-git-command-line-101-for-windows-users.aspx [06:11] thanks [06:13] *** garyrh has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:16] *** mistym_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:21] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [06:30] the chat from the games done quick stream was saved apparently http://redd.it/3fjbdo [06:37] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:37] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:42] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:42] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:42] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:46] so i'm going to look for a new wifi usb adapter tomorrow [06:47] in the mean time i got 1988-06 MBC Newsdesk downloaded [06:53] *** SadDM has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [06:54] i need a more stable wifi grabbing it [07:00] i may get [07:00] TP-LINK TL-WN722N N150 High-Gain Wireless USB Adapter [07:03] that's a decent one, if the 150mbps isn't gonna be an issue for you [07:03] (with most net connections, it isn't gonna be a problem anyway :p) [07:10] *** SadDM has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:10] *** swebb sets mode: +o SadDM [07:26] lol 2006 as wild west [07:27] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:43] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:05] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:23] yipdw: I think anything that's not illegal is archive-worthy and should be archived when it'll be removed. [09:03] *** superkuh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [09:07] *** sunnymilk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [09:08] *** kyan_ has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [09:08] *** wyatt8740 has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [09:08] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [09:08] *** SketchCow has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [09:11] *** superkuh_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:14] *** wyatt8740 has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:14] *** sunnymilk has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:14] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:14] *** Stiletto has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:33] *** SadDM has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [09:49] *** SadDM has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:49] *** swebb sets mode: +o SadDM [10:00] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:07] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:20] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:25] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:43] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:45] *** dan- has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [10:49] *** dan- has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:53] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:57] *** chfoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 306 seconds) [11:10] i THINK THAT EVEN ILLEGAL STUFF SHOULD BE ARCHIVED [11:10] whoops sorry for the caps [11:10] it's just that it's a hell of a lot harder to archive illegal things [11:13] *** nmnn has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:05] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:21] Well, in general I think no one here fucking cares about the legality of anything [12:21] but when it's underage/lolicon images.. then you're in a special world of pain [12:22] Also, feel free to archive that site if you want to. But as he asked for input, he got some input. Most seems to not want to help archive it. If you do, fine - go right ahead. But don't call it an ArchiveTeam project or mention IA [12:23] yeah [12:23] having that stuff causes all sorts of issues [12:25] if only there was some sort of government supported archive that had an exemption to these laws so it could be available to future historians [12:25] but as a private entity it's pretty much impossible to do safely [12:26] Also, why the fuck are we still talking about this shit? [12:26] dunno [12:26] It's like standing by a toilet discussing the turds within [12:27] i saw yids message, replied, then replied to you [12:27] got anything more interesting to talk about? [12:27] like for example, any projects to preserve patches to software [12:28] patches, what kind of patches? from whom? [12:28] like for example for windows and stuff [12:28] or game patches [12:36] ah [12:36] well that'd be nice, but how to find 'em? [12:36] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:37] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [12:40] no idea [12:40] maybe diffs of game files from steam, gog, desura, etc? [12:45] hmm on the topic of game files did filefront ever announce sub sites going down? [12:45] *** S[h]O[r]T has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:47] we should archive all the mod, map, etc hosting sites preemptively [12:47] in a thousand years we should still be able to play fy_pool_night [12:48] well last 2 times I checked the filefront mod sites they've been down which is worrying considering how much mods they hosted [12:52] *** brayden_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:53] *** brayden has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:53] *** swebb sets mode: +o brayden [13:00] *** kyan has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) [13:05] *** Jonimus has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:19] *** tomwsmf-a has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:21] *** nmnn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [13:25] *** Jonimus has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:29] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:32] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:32] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:40] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:40] *** SketchCow has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:40] *** swebb sets mode: +o SketchCow [13:40] HI IS YIPDW FEELING BEETER [13:40] This is all I'm worried about [13:48] https://twitter.com/musalbas/status/628191402078380032 [13:51] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:52] *** brayden has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:56] *** lytv has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:00] *** lytv has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:02] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:05] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:20] *** phuzion has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:48] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:50] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [15:05] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:18] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:43] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:13] *** chfoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:19] SketchCow: yeah I got your message and I mean yeah it's not an across-the-board "oh man this all sucks" thing [16:19] yipdw: 15:27Z tell yipdw No harm done. As I said, I'm glad to use the existing logs (if given the password), or no logs at all if desired. [16:20] I see so much good stuff happening. [16:20] what happened? [16:21] Infreq Ctrl-S i thought about gamefront next [16:44] archive.org is offline [16:45] *** godane has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [16:46] *** tomwsmf-a has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [16:47] archive.org is online from the xfire rsync depot's perspective [16:47] ARCHIVE TEAM 1, IA PUBLIC WEB PRESENCE 0 [16:47] :D [16:48] https://monitor.archive.org/weathermap/weathermap.html [16:48] So much white [16:49] arkiver: we're pushing ~400 mbps from xfire -> IA, which appears to be the highest we can go [16:58] yipdw: if that's the highest we can go, ok! thank you! [17:00] *** nmnn has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:24] archive.org is online for me, cc arkiver [17:25] who can help me hold a 5T disk image long-term? i'd like for gitorious to also exist on hardware that's not mine. [17:25] putting a 5T item on archive.org is a little awkward [17:34] *** achip has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:34] *** achip has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:49] *** Asparagir has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:50] *** Kenshin has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [17:53] *** Kenshin has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:54] What is it [17:55] Oh, it's gitorious [17:55] Split it into 5 parts. [17:56] it's a filesystem image, the files inside it are hardlinked to hell [17:56] if you break all the hardlinks you get like 30T [17:56] ish [17:57] i'd love to collab on figuring out how to get it into IA but that's an engineering challenge [17:59] xmc: torrent? [17:59] * Smiley has about 1Tb space atm :/ [18:05] *** Ravenloft has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 606 seconds) [18:29] *** expr_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:56] SketchCow: still around? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9997817 [19:03] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:03] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [19:12] *** Jonimus has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:20] *** expr_ has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) [19:21] *** expr_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:25] *** Jonimus has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:26] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:26] *** nmnn has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [19:30] *** nmnn has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:31] *** godane has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [19:52] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:01] https://medium.com/matter/the-web-we-have-to-save-2eb1fe15a426 [20:25] *** godane has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [20:40] balrog: pretty good article, but I can't help but realize the irony [20:42] joepie91: that it is on Medium? [20:42] balrog: yeah, with the litany of "share/follow this!!!1!" on the page [20:42] :) [20:44] meh, hehe [20:44] medium is far from the worst [20:46] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:46] also read http://sarahwerner.net/blog/2015/07/how-to-destroy-special-collections-with-social-media/ in case you havent yet [20:47] xmc: if it is a disk image, tar and split it? [20:48] so i'm on my alfa Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter [20:48] *** tomwsmf-a has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:48] its been flaky as of late [20:48] anyway to make it more stable [20:59] *** Ravenloft has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:00] https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/8088-mph-the-final-version/ [21:02] Someone ready to explain signius to me? [21:03] joepie91: Nothing more depressing than watching hackernews people try and figure out money [21:04] this might be more to your liking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X02iz3NPZ54 [21:04] i mean, if you like looking at things go way wrong [21:06] *** SadDM has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [21:08] joepie91: even more ironic as Matter is owned by Medium [21:11] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:17] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:19] *** nmnn has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) [21:23] *** SadDM has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:23] *** swebb sets mode: +o SadDM [21:33] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Leaving) [21:43] *** brayden has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o brayden [21:43] *** tomwsmf-a has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:54] *** Asparagir has quit IRC (Asparagir) [22:07] *** brayden has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:20] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [22:30] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:31] *** mistym_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:41] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:43] *** Ravenloft has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:43] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:43] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [22:52] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:00] *** mistym_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:01] *** mistym_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:03] *** expr_ has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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