[00:21] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:23] *** brayden has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:21] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:23] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [01:39] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:53] so my birthday is tommorrow [01:53] i'm 30 now [01:54] Happy nearly integer number of days of life! [01:54] happy birthday [01:54] Shall we get you gigabytes of data? Oh, wait, you already have that... :-) [01:55] Mental image of everyone showing up and showering him in hard drives [01:55] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:55] (hm, I was just informed that *every* day is an integer number of days of life -- so, let me correct that: Happy nearly integer number of *years* of life!) [01:56] looks like jason's website is down cause of bandwith limit exceeded: http://ascii.textfiles.com/ [01:56] Hm, I didn't think he had textfiles.com on a server with a bandwidth limit... [01:57] maybe cause of what happen to him in the past [02:00] well, there's a google cache of it from the 14th, with no more recent post than the 3rd... so I'm not sure why it would have blown up... [02:02] [23:52:56] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10064565 [02:02] [23:57:52] <@SketchCow> Fuck THAT guy and his manuals [02:02] that I think ;) [02:07] ah, quite likely [02:09] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:10] well, somebody grabbed it with the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20150815114528/http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4683 [02:59] *** dcmorton_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:57] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:58] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:10] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Leaving) [05:16] *** i0npulse has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:17] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:55] nov 1989 of mbc newsdesk is uploaded [05:55] i'm half way done with dec 1989 [05:55] NOTE: 1989-12-24 and 1989-12-31 have no episodes [05:55] godane: Happy birthday, by the way. [06:04] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:04] thanks [06:06] *** robink has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:06] *** robink has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:08] *** anomie has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:09] Someone once asked me what the difference is between wget and wpull. I'm very aware that they're different, but is there a comprehensive answer to this question. [06:13] this page lists the option differences: http://wpull.readthedocs.org/en/latest/differences.html [06:15] Yeah, but that doesn't tell very much. [06:23] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:25] I was hoping there was a write-up or something. [06:26] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:33] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:35] *** i0npulse has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:44] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [06:45] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:12] *** PurpleSym has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:18] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:23] some bad news for 1990-01-01 episode of mbc newsdesk [07:24] looks like the tracking is stuck in the middle of the video [07:24] you will see what i mean here: http://img.imnews.imbc.com/20dbnews/history/1990/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2007/04/06/VN19902001-00_01054302.jpg [07:24] i think it got better later on [08:10] *** garyrh has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) [09:04] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [09:05] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:08] *** chfoo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [09:18] *** chfoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:37] *** chfoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [09:46] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:46] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Leaving) [09:51] *** chfoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:08] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [11:27] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 306 seconds) [11:27] *** caber has quit IRC (Quit: Kids: talk with your parents about ad-blockers, and, at some point; social media. But fundamentals first!) 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[15:18] yes [15:18] touch STOP [15:18] oh sounds super convenient, cheers [15:24] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:34] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [15:55] Website is back [15:55] Turns out if you drag-drop images into wordpress, it does NOT shrink them properly. [15:55] So I was pushing out..... a lot of bandwidth [15:55] And yes, the blog is on another service within the ISP [15:55] So the two aren't dependent on each other. [15:57] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:57] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:20] jan 1990 of mbc newsdesk is fully uploaded now [16:20] i'm going to start feb 1990 [16:32] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:35] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:35] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:51] *** yakfish has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:07] *** yakfish has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:13] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Leaving) [17:16] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [17:29] *** Protab is now known as Rotab [17:36] *** bentpins has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 483 seconds) [17:37] *** dan- has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:44] *** dan- has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:47] http://media.ccc.de/browse/conferences/camp2015/camp2015-6939-towards_universal_access_to_all_knowledge_internet_archive.html#video&t=769 [17:50] wait wait wait [17:50] SketchCow: brewster kahle talked at camp? [17:51] well fuck. [17:51] hm, i wonder where he is [17:55] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:55] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [17:56] Well yeah. Two talks. [17:57] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 362 seconds) [18:00] *** Start has quit IRC (Quit: Disconnected.) [18:04] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:06] SketchCow: bah, now it sucks even more that I couldn't be there :( [18:08] you should have come! i would have given you a high five or something [18:22] I was needed here. [18:23] i'm talking to joepie91 [18:23] xmc: I had no $ :( [18:23] brewster should come to congress in winter also.. [18:24] you never have $, what about € [18:24] He has no money but he's cute as hell [18:24] I think he knows what to do [18:24] xmc: I do have $ at times! but both $ and € are typically in short supply [18:28] LOL [18:29] watching the camp talk [18:29] picture of internet credit union ATM [18:29] ... has a "take my money" picture on the screen [19:30] joepie91: camp >>>>> congress [19:34] ersi: yes, don't remind me of it D: [19:34] joepie91: camp >>>>> congress [19:34] (that said, I'm not there) [19:38] this is why we can't have nice things: http://w3schools.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=53718&p=296033 [19:38] "Lol, i use Crypt() on my websites? However i use that one amongst with SHA1, MD5 and 4-5 different custom-made salt functions that will randomly throw the letters and numbers and signs around to make sure they are very well shaken and ready to be used as an password. Also known to be "Encrypted" ;).... still working on it tho, but working at the moment perfectly fine :)" [19:40] "randomly" [19:40] suuure [19:40] ersi: that's probably the least bad part of that post [19:40] lol [19:40] yea.. [19:45] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:59] that post is not even wrong [20:08] *** achip has quit IRC (Buhbye) [20:11] *** achip has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:17] SketchCow: hrm. Slack for Internet Archive stuff? :/ [20:17] Yes. [20:18] Yes, yessy yes. [20:18] And who was the person who pushed for it? Me. [20:18] Meeeee, me me me. [20:18] Me. [20:18] Hope you're listening! We went to Slack and I'm the one who did it. [20:19] I suppose if I could take a moment from every other thing in my life, I might ask where you heard we did it. [20:24] SketchCow: you mentioned it in a blog post [20:24] I must have mentioned it some time ago. [20:24] doesn't quite seem to fit into the whole "yay open-source, and startup culture is toxic" narrative.. [20:24] Ah. [20:25] So, I have two choices here. [20:25] I mean, I could punch you into the dust on this, and give you a big lesson. [20:25] Or, I can be a buddy and say that "utilizing variables you don't have, this is a very good choice" [20:25] Do you know what we use currently? Guess. [20:25] Do it. [20:25] not a clue. [20:25] Ah. [20:25] Skype. [20:26] We use Skype. We use Skype a lot. We use it all the time. All our stuff, internal and external, on Skype. [20:26] right. but then why not go with any of the approximately five million open-source Slack alternatives as a replacement? [20:26] instead of Slack [20:26] Sigh. [20:26] I mean, "Slack clone" seems to have become the new todo list for devs [20:26] I don't have time for this. [20:26] This isn't the "I don't have time for this" like "shut up, I'm the mom" [20:27] This is, like, I have approximately 70 minutes to shore up space for the next archive team thing, and then drive to Maryland to rescue a lot of paper. [20:27] But maybe, down the like, I'll explain my thinking. [20:27] And you'll probably go "hmmmm." [20:27] Because that's what you do. [20:27] SketchCow: fair enough :P we can discuss it later when/if you're less swamped [20:27] Discuss, no. [20:27] me tell you why, yes [20:28] constructive(!) discussion should always be on the table, even if brief. [20:28] and not necessarily conclusive [20:28] I watch what you do. [20:28] You fight people. [20:28] over ideas. [20:28] Because that's like doing things, to you. [20:28] I'm driving 300 miles because I'm doing things. [20:29] no, I discuss with people when I see decision/statements being made that can have a harmful effect in the longer term [20:29] which is more or less what archiveteam is built on, that same principle [20:29] s/decision/decisions/ [20:29] I don't argue for the sake of arguing. [20:31] You really, really do. [20:32] no, I don't. I have a concrete reason for every discussion I have, even if you might not always see that reason. [20:33] the problem is that, by its very nature, you only see the discussions I *do* have [20:33] not the moments where I decide "this is not a useful discussion", and shut my mouth [20:33] Well, try this. [20:33] Internet Archive is now transferred to slack. [20:34] Try not to get tears on your cravat. [20:34] see above. [20:34] No, I think I won't. [20:35] *** aaaaaaaaa sets mode: +o yipdw [20:35] I've already explained my concern with it, and you've indicated that you don't have time to explain the rationale right now. that's fine, but sparring without info isn't useful and neither is accusing me of arguing for the sake of arguing [20:36] so as I said, we can discuss this later, when you do have time. [20:36] whenever that might be. [20:37] No, I'm now deciding I don't want to talk about it with you. [20:37] I don't need your approval, love, accomodation, thought process or consideration on it. [20:37] approval? no. thought process? maybe, maybe not [20:38] if the rationale is sound, then it's a very short discussion to have, three lines worth of text [20:38] if not, then there's evidently an outstanding problem of some sort [20:38] (the three lines being "why have you decided X?", "because Y", "oh ok") [20:39] Blorp. [20:39] and given that these kind of tools are kind of my area of expertise, and there are very few valid reasons why Slack couldn't be replaced with an open-source equivalent, I'd say it's probably worth at least briefly discussing it. [20:39] Oh look, literally every other window on my desktop. See ya. [20:39] (and all of those reasons are highly usecase-specific) [20:40] rather than assuming that you're right. [20:40] or that the correct decision was made. [20:40] or however you want to phrase it [20:40] joepie91: er, if you aren't going to discuss it now ... it would seem better to ... not talk about it ... now. [20:41] If you are motivated to write about it, I think you have a blog (and there is always pastebin) [20:41] JesseW: yeah, that's what I suggested. but if Jason is just going to respond to it, then there's no reason for me not to [20:41] (suggested twice, I might add) [20:41] AFAICT, Jason's responses have been, saying, repeatedly, "I don't want to talk about this with you". [20:41] JesseW: and I prefer real-time discussions over blog posts for these kind of matters - blog posts and such almost inevitably turn out one-sided [20:42] yes, so at this point I'm simply discussing whether that is the ideal approach here [20:42] (and it's not) [20:42] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHdYOBRpsk [20:42] Here you go, everyone! 1.5 hours of productive work music. [20:42] HUGS AND KISSES ALL AROUND. [20:43] *** PurpleSym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:45] JesseW: the Internet Archive has repeatedly indicated, in various forms, that open-source tools are preferable and that they realize the dangers of proprietary systems. Jason has personally expressed his dislike of startup culture and its negative consequences multiple times, and Slack very much fits into both the "proprietary" and "startup culture" categories, so at the very least it's a bit of an odd choice. [20:45] JesseW: which should be a relevant concern to everybody involved in IA, either directly or indirectly, exactly because of those consequences [20:47] (and let's face it - the speciality of IA lies in archiving, not necessarily in technology that is not directly related to that, and this is also visible in some other tool choices) [20:48] (which is understandable, but makes critical input even more important) [20:48] and if you wanted to write that (even at further length) as a one-sided blog post, that would seem (somewhat) useful. Trying to pressure those of us currently on this channel into having a multi-sided *discussion* about it, right now, after specific requests not to -- seems just rude, and not particularly useful. [20:49] JesseW: I didn't push for a discussion *now*. I pushed for a discussion later, when Jason had time. [20:49] JesseW: from that point in, I was simply responding to the "not going to happen" responses [20:50] and if a later discussion at his convenience is not a possibility, then here you go, I'll simply output some of the points here [20:50] so that there's a record of them somewhere, where somebody can look them up, in a not-necessarily-one-sided manner [20:50] ok, I'm done with this conversation, too. [20:52] Hi, everyone, just visting from the other, productive, windows [20:52] SketchCow: there's no need to keep sneering about it. [20:52] the discussion is only unproductive because you're not giving serious input. [20:53] You.... [20:53] You do know you're being a Sea Lion, right? [20:53] I mean, do you feel it? [20:53] It is in you? [20:54] and that's exactly what I mean. [21:05] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Leaving.) [21:14] *** brayden has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:28] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:31] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:34] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:31] "Failed to start reboot.target: Connection timed out" [22:31] thx systemd [22:32] How To Break Ubuntu Vivid With This One Cool Trick [22:37] said cool trick is "run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade immediately after fresh install" [22:39] 22:31 <@yipdw> "Failed to start reboot.target: Connection timed out" [22:39] How… wat? [22:39] What is that? [22:39] anomie: there's something wrong with the policykit-1 package postinst that breaks systemd [22:39] it has been patched a few times but regressions still show up sometimes [22:40] anyway *supposedly* if you install policykit-1 *FIRST*, reboot, and then do everything else you avoid this [22:40] Isn't vivid in a post-release state? What the fuck? [22:40] it is but it's not like release status means fuckall to any software company anymore [22:47] cool, that workaround does indeed seem to work [22:48] But, but… muh stability! [22:48] I wonder if Debian is any better… [22:49] I heard Minix is pretty stable, but it doesn't seem to be good at much else AFAIK. [22:51] *** Start has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 362 seconds) [22:53] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:58] there's stability and then there's stability [22:59] I'm not changing the build platform just because of an install bug [23:04] *** Muad-Dib has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:15] *** Muad-Dib has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:25] *** anomie has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in) [23:30] *** anomie has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:39] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:49] *** Start has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 362 seconds)