#archiveteam-bs 2015-09-27,Sun

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01:01 🔗 chfoo it should be working but i can't do anything about rsync
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05:17 🔗 yipdw bentpins: I fixed the permissions on that rsync directory
05:17 🔗 yipdw it should be writable by the rsync user
05:17 🔗 bentpins yipdw: legend
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05:18 🔗 yipdw nah just ssh access
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06:45 🔗 JesseW garyrh: so, what did a aDrive Basic URL look like?
06:46 🔗 JesseW It appears to be of this form: https://www.adrive.com/public/PJ4y7B/Adult_Sentencing_Manual_2008_ErrataSheetFTRSO2ndSubsequent.pdf
06:47 🔗 JesseW which linked to https://downloadwww31.adrive.com/public/view/PJ4y7B.html
06:48 🔗 JesseW a google search for "site:adrive.com inurl:public" gives 77 entries
06:54 🔗 JesseW garyrh: I've made a wiki page for aDrive: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ADrive
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08:01 🔗 HCross Morning. Whats the Thingiverse channel?
08:06 🔗 bentpins I don't think there is one
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11:52 🔗 schbirid as you can see on this url, researchgate is all about high quality http://www.researchgate.net/publication/51391010_%21CDATA_Evaluation_of_cultures_of_Saccharomyces_cerevisae_as_baits_for_Triatoma_dimidiata_and_Triatoma_pallidipennis_
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12:24 🔗 sylt schbirid: I can't pretend to understand the subject matter, but what's wrong with that?
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12:34 🔗 * joepie91 reports more UX bugs on rocketchat...
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13:23 🔗 schbirid sylt: i meant the URL
13:23 🔗 schbirid CDATA :D
13:24 🔗 sylt I didn't catch that, I've taken to just assuming there's nothing in a URL worth reading by a human
13:24 🔗 sylt most services have insane schemes that make no sense to anyoen
13:28 🔗 schbirid :\
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13:32 🔗 joepie91 sven@linux-etoq:~> curl -k -H "Accept: application/json" https://brackets-registry.aboutweb.com/ | jq '.registry[] | select(.metadata.name == "jade-preprocessors")'
13:32 🔗 joepie91 jq <3
13:34 🔗 sylt would be nicer if people just stopped writing terrible javascript frontends.
13:35 🔗 joepie91 sylt: ?
13:35 🔗 joepie91 that's an API
13:35 🔗 sylt jade is some javascript renderer isn't it?
13:35 🔗 joepie91 no
13:35 🔗 joepie91 it's a preprocessor language for HTML
13:36 🔗 joepie91 (you typically do the compiling either as a build step or in your server application)
13:36 🔗 sylt it's nodejs, close enough.
13:36 🔗 joepie91 what?
13:36 🔗 joepie91 Node.js has exactly 0 to do with frontend anything
13:36 🔗 sylt "jade, node template engine"
13:36 🔗 joepie91 yes...
13:37 🔗 sylt eh, I thought it was like angular or whatever the current fad is.
13:37 🔗 joepie91 sylt: no, it isn't. it's a runtime like CPython, but for JS
13:37 🔗 joepie91 it's unrelated to frontend code
13:37 🔗 * sylt shrugs
13:37 🔗 joepie91 (also, fuck Angular)
13:37 🔗 sylt like I said, I was mistaken.
13:39 🔗 sylt well all of these things are an unfortunate combination of difficult to scrape, slow, and packed with a million dependancies.
13:39 🔗 joepie91 Angular is. Node (or anything else backend) isn't
13:40 🔗 joepie91 things like React, Riot and supposedly Ember have server-side rendering, so if used correctly, that shouldn't get in the way of scraping, nor should it require JS to work
13:41 🔗 joepie91 (if anything, Node is _improving_ scrapeability, now that frontend JS frameworks are getting more and more popular - having the same language on the backend means you can, in most cases, just render everything on the server that you wrote for the client)
13:41 🔗 joepie91 (with little added effort)
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16:41 🔗 HCross good idea joepie91
16:41 🔗 joepie91 HCross: okay, so sda is a WD Black
16:41 🔗 joepie91 and sdb is an IntelliPower drive (a la green, red)
16:41 🔗 joepie91 so the numbers are not strange
16:41 🔗 joepie91 but $friend says you should disable head parking
16:41 🔗 joepie91 on sdb
16:41 🔗 joepie91 ping SN4T14
16:41 🔗 SN4T14 pong
16:41 🔗 zhongfu WD2002FYPS is a RE4
16:41 🔗 joepie91 kgo
16:41 🔗 SN4T14 HCross is the guy with those drives?
16:41 🔗 joepie91 yes
16:41 🔗 joepie91 zhongfu: with IntelliPower, apparently.
16:42 🔗 joepie91 I thought that was only Green/Red but okay
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 HCross, http://www.jzab.de/content/wdidle-bootcd follow that guide to disable head parking unless you want your drive to die. :p
16:42 🔗 joepie91 zhongfu: going by http://www.rm.com/support/productinformation.asp?cref=prd2403012
16:42 🔗 joepie91 oh
16:42 🔗 joepie91 SN4T14: mind that it's in softraid
16:42 🔗 HCross SN4T14, on sdb?
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 joepie91, sure
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 HCross, yeah
16:42 🔗 joepie91 oh wait
16:42 🔗 joepie91 this requires boooting from an ISO
16:42 🔗 HCross I need KVM to do that
16:43 🔗 joepie91 HCross: you'll have to request IP KVM
16:43 🔗 joepie91 yeah
16:43 🔗 SN4T14 Linux always has some disk activity a few times a minute, head parking usually happens after 5-10 seconds depending on the drive, mix those two, and you get a few load cycle counts per minute
16:43 🔗 joepie91 HCross: they're on loan for 24 hours
16:43 🔗 joepie91 free, as far as I can tell
16:43 🔗 joepie91 so should be okay
16:43 🔗 HCross Will ticket in now
16:45 🔗 * joepie91 is pleasantly surprised at support so far
16:45 🔗 HCross just ticketed
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17:37 🔗 HCross joepie91, https://billing.dacentec.com not loading for me again
17:38 🔗 joepie91 HCross: prob getting ddosed again
17:38 🔗 joepie91 works for me though
17:38 🔗 HCross Yup. =/ Its the LET community idiots
17:39 🔗 joepie91 HCross: wtf is up with that anyway?
17:39 🔗 HCross They call it the "LET Welcome"
17:39 🔗 joepie91 HCross: right, but who is doing it and why?
17:40 🔗 HCross Dont know who. Its always done when a host puts out an awesome deal as a way of stopping others getting it
17:40 🔗 HCross after 2 mins it loaded
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17:41 🔗 joepie91 weird.
17:42 🔗 HCross atm I am also dealing with the fact that the ColoCrossing network has taken a dump
17:44 🔗 joepie91 colocrossing.. :)
17:45 🔗 HCross ColoCrossing <-> OVH is typically 700Mbps. Now - 7Mbps
17:45 🔗 joepie91 HCross: what else have you tested against?
17:46 🔗 HCross HostMyBytes and the Dacentec. Take a look in the "ColoCrossing adds Telia" thread and ive put a load of results there
17:46 🔗 joepie91 HCross: hold on, let me get you a test URL on core backbone
17:47 🔗 HCross The CC backbone?
17:47 🔗 joepie91 HCross: core backbone is the name of the datacenter :)
17:47 🔗 joepie91 they have a very good network
17:48 🔗 HCross Ok. Its taken it 10 mins to move 1GB
17:48 🔗 joepie91 just a min
17:48 🔗 joepie91 grabbing a 1GB test file now
17:48 🔗 joepie91 :P
17:49 🔗 joepie91 hmm
17:49 🔗 joepie91 it's fluctuate-y today
17:49 🔗 joepie91 only 18MB/sec
17:50 🔗 joepie91 HCross: haless.cryto.net/1000Mo.dat
17:50 🔗 HCross joepie91, http://harrycross.me/6d1.png
17:50 🔗 joepie91 er
17:50 🔗 joepie91 http://haless.cryto.net/1000Mo.dat
17:50 🔗 joepie91 try downloading the above
17:51 🔗 HCross Just waiting for this wget to finish then I will do that one
17:53 🔗 HCross joepie91, how do you do code on LET again?
17:53 🔗 joepie91 HCross: <pre></pre>
17:54 🔗 HCross doing that wget, after an inital burst up to 20M/s we are back down to 700K/s
17:55 🔗 joepie91 HCross: yeah, your speed is falling
17:55 🔗 joepie91 HCross: sitting at like 6mbps now
17:55 🔗 joepie91 HCross: it's in Germany, btw
17:55 🔗 joepie91 but you should still get better speeds than that
17:55 🔗 HCross Ah, OVH with their worldwide network was pants
17:55 🔗 joepie91 HCross: that's why I wanted to check this one
17:55 🔗 joepie91 to see if it was limited to OVH
17:55 🔗 joepie91 :P
17:56 🔗 HCross OVH take it as far as New York, then hand it over
17:56 🔗 joepie91 HCross: any particular other location/region you want to test against?
17:56 🔗 HCross just had login stuff for KVM from Dacentec. Will kill my warriors and do that. You got anything in the USA?
17:56 🔗 joepie91 HCross: sure, name a state
17:56 🔗 joepie91 one with cheap datacenters
17:56 🔗 joepie91 lol
17:57 🔗 joepie91 I have a bunch of shit all over the place
17:57 🔗 HCross New York area?
17:57 🔗 * joepie91 thinks
17:57 🔗 joepie91 I think that's one area where I don't have anything, anymore...
17:58 🔗 HCross Just waiting for the last blingee script to peacefully stop
17:58 🔗 * joepie91 grabs google maps
17:59 🔗 joepie91 HCross: I have BHS, Miami (via LES, so idk), Lenoir ofc
17:59 🔗 HCross Can I try BHS then please
17:59 🔗 joepie91 HCross: Atlanta also
17:59 🔗 joepie91 mind, BHS is OVH
17:59 🔗 HCross Go on, atlanta then please
17:59 🔗 joepie91 okay, moment
18:00 🔗 HCross ok. Hopefully this one will have finished by then
18:01 🔗 joepie91 HCross: RAM Host: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/100MB-newark.bin, RamNode: http://wire.cryto.net/100MB-newark.bin
18:01 🔗 joepie91 both Colo@, RAM Host runs their own network
18:01 🔗 joepie91 no idea about RamNode
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18:02 🔗 joepie91 (I _think_ RamNode is in Colo@, not sure now actually, but should def be Atlanta)
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18:02 🔗 joepie91 can also do Colo@s own network if needed, via TSS
18:02 🔗 joepie91 oh wait, I don't think I have that box anymore
18:02 🔗 joepie91 anyhow, both should be Atlanta
18:02 🔗 HCross Trying http://wire.cryto.net/100MB-newark.bin and its painful. 51K/s
18:02 🔗 joepie91 jesus
18:03 🔗 HCross Just testing it with my home line too to see
18:03 🔗 joepie91 HCross: did you upgrade your server to dialup? :P
18:03 🔗 HCross Home line, 40Mbps
18:03 🔗 joepie91 yeah
18:03 🔗 joepie91 that sounds about right
18:04 🔗 HCross for a UK line on my ISP
18:04 🔗 joepie91 should get a bit more even, if you're geographically close
18:04 🔗 joepie91 oh, then it's fine
18:04 🔗 joepie91 yeah
18:04 🔗 HCross Thats on the Liberty Global network too
18:04 🔗 joepie91 HCross: heh, I get 82.2MB/sec between those two servers
18:04 🔗 joepie91 and it was still going up
18:05 🔗 joepie91 64 bytes from 98.142.213.226: icmp_req=2 ttl=58 time=0.570 ms
18:05 🔗 joepie91 that would probably be why
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18:06 🔗 HCross Test to British Telecom, pathetic
18:08 🔗 HCross Online.net is the only remotely fast one and still, that shot up to 16M/s and then straight down to around 1M/s
18:11 🔗 HCross one more grab to upload, then I can do the disk tweak
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18:27 🔗 HCross ugh, I cant hit delete on my KVM fast enough
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18:33 🔗 ersi urgh, so annoying
18:33 🔗 ersi I get 3min of packet loss every now and then
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22:48 🔗 ersi teehee
22:50 🔗 joepie91 I am being unusually polite today.
22:50 🔗 joepie91 :)
22:50 🔗 yipdw_ might as well be, I think it's a reasonable request to honor user wishes for now
22:50 🔗 yipdw_ unreasonable is something like twitpic
22:50 🔗 joepie91 I personally don't care much for it, tbh
22:51 🔗 joepie91 if you don't want something saved, don't publicly post it
22:51 🔗 joepie91 because it _is_ going to be saved
22:51 🔗 joepie91 and then I'd rather it be for 'the public good'
22:51 🔗 yipdw_ from a technical perspective I agree
22:52 🔗 yipdw_ then there's the wishes-against-infrastructure that I recently think ought to be honored for Common People anyway
22:52 🔗 ersi yeah
22:53 🔗 joepie91 this is hardly a single person asking for their posts to not be archived, though
22:53 🔗 ersi sure, but it's a decently small community anyhow
22:53 🔗 yipdw_ it's not, it's an admin on behalf of their users
22:53 🔗 yipdw_ fine though
22:54 🔗 yipdw_ I mean that's a netadmin/site admin's responsibility anyway
22:54 🔗 joepie91 it's an admin. whether it's on behalf of their users remains up for discussion
22:54 🔗 yipdw_ ok yes we can pick the lines but meh
22:54 🔗 joepie91 whether it's 'small' or not is not a terribly relevant datapoint to me personally
22:55 🔗 yipdw_ if the admin's wishes are not in alignment with their userbase, archive team is well-known enough for said userbase to come here and correct the problem
22:55 🔗 yipdw_ i'm not that worried about misalignment
22:55 🔗 ersi nothing is relevant to you personally as a datapoint
22:55 🔗 ersi lol
22:56 🔗 yipdw_ in fact, who knows, maybe the administrator of that job is a user
22:56 🔗 yipdw_ I don't know who started it
22:57 🔗 joepie91 yipdw_: userbase may not necessarily know about what the admin requests.
22:57 🔗 joepie91 often doesn't, in fact
22:57 🔗 joepie91 especially for smaller things
22:57 🔗 yipdw_ yes
22:57 🔗 joepie91 ersi: sure it is. I can understand personal requests
22:58 🔗 yipdw_ and at this point we have a channel open from admin and if it turns out to be a user they can have a good productive chat
22:58 🔗 yipdw_ issue marked as SELFRESOLVING
22:59 🔗 yipdw_ shit I wish I had that as a JIRA resolution, I should go add that
23:00 🔗 joepie91 lol
23:00 🔗 yipdw_ it's way better than "Won't Fix"
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23:00 🔗 yipdw_ even if it is equivalent
23:01 🔗 dan- I tend to think if people don't like it, wait a good number of years before putting the grab out there and it should hopefully be all better
23:01 🔗 dan- or at least makes the date you need to deal with it 'not right now' :P
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