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[03:25] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 310 seconds) [03:27] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:28] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:28] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [03:31] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:33] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Leaving) [03:37] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:56] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:59] *** VADemon has quit IRC (left4dead) [04:21] *** wp494_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:25] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [05:24] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:38] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:42] wyatt8750: So, as I was saying about archiving options... [05:42] you're overthinking this [05:42] point archivebot at it [05:42] unless it's huge [05:42] it's not _huge_. [05:42] just large [05:42] (by my standards) [05:42] eh, I feel it's worthwhile to blather out the various options, if not for this particular case, then for other ones. [05:42] the biggest thing is probably complete scans of some atari service manuals [05:43] Certainly pointing archivebot at it is the easiest, for sure. [05:43] 1.5GiB [05:44] xmc: I'll need voice on archivebot then [05:44] done [05:44] tyvm [05:46] I think the three main options are: direct upload to an IA item, Wayback Machine save/ feature, and #archivebot. Anything else (that ends up with the content on IA) that people can think of? [06:18] *** bzc6p has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:18] *** swebb sets mode: +o bzc6p [06:18] So you're calling 1,5 GB _large_ [06:18] in 2015 [06:19] for ArchiveTeam [06:19] not large for archiveteam [06:19] but large for a text-only site :\ [06:19] a personal text-only site [06:19] Well, I've heard from another person too the wget web.archive.org/save/ stuff, but I'm not sure that's technically perfectly okay [06:20] I'm not sure what links the page returned to wget has... [06:20] Might be probably okay though. [06:20] I wasn't trying to do that. I was thinking I'd wget localhost on my site, and then transfer the files without all the movies & stuff. [06:21] I prefer WARCing and then uploading. Wget (or wpull) is perfect for that. You should have a command with well-chosen ooptions and then that can be reused every time when saving a website. [06:22] bzc6p: WARCing and uploading won't get it in the Wayback Machine, though. [06:22] It should. One day. [06:22] WARCing and uploading, then pinging someone in here to add it to the collection*? [06:23] it's a trust issue -- /save/ and #archivebot are trusted to have honestly went out and got the real page. A WARC from some random person ... isn't. [06:24] So the "direct upload to an IA item" involves uploading stuff directly (filtered), wgetting or wpulling the stuff and uploading, or doing the second with WARCing. [06:24] a WARC from the site owner, uploaded from the IP of the server itself, isn't? [06:24] or a WARC of the server, on the server itself? [06:24] :p [06:24] I think there are no more options. [06:26] Well, SketchCow just came up with an idea of creating WARCs from unwarced stuff. Trust issue. [06:26] You're right, however. [06:26] wyatt8750: either of those still could be different from what a 3rd-party (which /save/ and #archivebot are) gets when it asks for the page. [06:27] only thing I can think of that would be different is my page that tells you your user agent :p [06:27] anyway, it's all getting crawled I guess [06:27] Someone I know mailed the IA about his uploaded warcs, and first he was replied that IA doesn't ingest user uploaded warcs. [06:27] yeah, I heard that too [06:27] Then they said one day they might. [06:28] If a clearer way of showing provance was available, then it would certainly make sense. [06:28] (and I think that's a intended feature in the new Wayback Machine) [06:29] Indeed, it's a rela problem to keep the Wayback Machine credible. WARCs are too easy to manipulate. [06:29] signed WARC files? [06:30] wouldn't help. [06:30] well, I guess self-signed warcs aren't useful either [06:30] :p [06:30] signing only tells you it hasn't changed since it was signed; that's not what's in question [06:30] hm [06:30] Or the WM could pop up a banner like "This page was saved by a third party and we don't take responsibility about its credibility". [06:33] Thank God ArchiveTeam has become a reliable source. (One who is really bad could manipulate the little WARCs he saved before rsyncing, so it's not 100% safe either.) [06:33] Don't thank God -- thank SketchCow. ;-) [06:34] bzc6p: that's made (slightly) harder by checks that the warrior code uploaded has an expected hash, IIRC. [06:34] Also, WARCing stuff is not useless even is IA doesn't inject them into Wayback Machine: *you* can always inject it to an other instance of the Wayback software. E.g. create an alternativ archive. Also, it helps restoring a static (or even a bit of dynamic) version of the website! [06:34] s/warrior code uploaded/warrior code doing the uploading/ [06:35] a clever bastard website could alter its content if it detected an archiver user agent [06:35] bzc6p: absolutely. [06:35] wyatt8750: some do [06:35] yeah, and it maddens me. [06:35] :p [06:35] eh, that's what user-agent spoofing is for [06:36] Worst was when I tried to wget a PDF from atariage and they claimed I was crawling because wget user agent, threatening to block my IP if I continued [06:36] thinking about running `alias wget=wget --user-agent=''` [06:36] (in my bashrc) [06:37] Netscape Navigator 4.08 – I'd like to see the face of the admin looking though the logs [06:37] lol [06:38] I run seamonkey so I'm not quite that strange. But I do basically run navigator [06:39] JesseW: I don't know what part of the script is checked and the WARC itself is checked. I saw some lines about it in the code, but I'm not an expert. What is sure I often change a bit in the code, that is number of retries, and I doesn't seem to have been rejected. [06:40] wyatt8750: a last stand is always the GoogleBot [06:41] The check may only be in the warrior version, not the standalone. [06:41] '2015-11-01T06:01:39+00:00 ArchiveTeam ArchiveBot/20150715.01 (wpull 1.2.1) and not Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.90 Safari/537.36' [06:41] yay its logging [06:41] ah, neat. [06:42] (must have hit my agent.php page, the only page that makes a log of any kind -_-) [06:43] I'd like to contribute an archivebot pipeline, but I'm still getting my feet under me maintaining a home server, so I'm less than enthused about trying to maintain one off in a datacenter somewhere (and I don't think running an archivebot pipeline off my home IP is a good idea. :-) ) [06:44] I've got two servers. One's my desktop PC I do things on, and the other one is an IBM netburst 3.6ghz xeon server (xseries 236) that I got free. [06:44] Depends on the ISP, but the only main bottleneck is maybe the upstream [06:44] Been planning to transfer everything to the IBM server, but too lazy. [06:45] nice heater [06:45] bzc6p: it's more sharing the IP address -- I don't want my normal traffic getting mixed with the reputational damage of an archivebot pipeline. [06:45] In a dorm where I don't control heating and have an entire wall made of glass I need it -_- [06:46] What damage? It's a heoric act! :) [06:47] I would take one or two if I had an opportunity [06:47] bzc6p: various websites getting archived feel differently. :-/ [06:47] we don't call it a DPOS for nothing... [06:47] vitzli: the server? yeah, it's nice. Also it's my only way to read data off of SCSI drives [06:49] You're right. It's me who speaks easily. I found some websites whose archival – in may pace – takes a lifetime, so I can saturate my bandwidth continously, knowing wgat I archive. – Now that you say, it's indeed not that comfortable running an ArchiveBot node from home. [06:56] hm. slightly confused by some of your wording there -- but I agree with the point. [06:57] And, BTW, thank you VERY MUCH for your work on archiving Hungarian sites. We should be so lucky to have people doing similar work for other countries/languages. 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[13:32] i'm starting to upload more of metro.co.uk [13:33] turns out i still had about 3 months from 2009 saved but was not uploaded yet [13:33] also note that there is not site map urls for 2009-11-28, 2009-12-19, and 2009-12-20 [13:34] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:40] *** Start has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:42] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:47] *** remsen2 has quit IRC (Leaving) [13:47] *** remsen has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:48] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:49] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:11] Kazzy: yea [14:16] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:35] *** SketchCo1 is now known as SketchCow [14:40] that's one sexy rss feed http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01drwny/episodes/downloads.rss [14:43] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [15:04] *** kniffy has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:10] schbirid: use --content-disposition for the mp3s [15:10] you will get better file names [15:16] godane: ... why the hell is that not a default [15:35] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:40] afaik some servers serve shit with it [15:40] it's not perfect [15:40] but i almost always use it [15:42] I've never seen it done wrong [15:42] browsers have it as a default too [15:42] lol [15:49] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:59] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:05] *** afics has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:53] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:57] *** midas has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:57] joepie91: you there? [16:57] OH LOOK IT IS MIDAS [16:57] Madis, you maniac [16:59] It's me, I'm near Dordrecht and need joepie91s address :-p [17:02] Message him [17:03] if it is really urgent, i have it but not sure if i may share it [17:04] Picking him up for meeting [17:09] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Leaving) [17:11] arkiver: you in contact with joepie atm? [17:11] On my way to thing [17:12] Good luck kids [17:30] i hope you have an exciting talk [17:32] *** JesseW has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:37] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 310 seconds) [17:50] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:56] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:07] *** jleclanch has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:22] "Introducing Quizes, Contents and Spiders." from https://archive.org/stream/creativecomputing-1984-04/Creative_Computing_v10_n04_1984_Apr#page/n79/mode/1up [18:23] Because all quizzes are better with spiders... :-) [18:23] Anyone got a link to SketchCow's stream? [18:26] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:28] HCross: the live stream appears to be delayed by some hours. [18:29] ah [18:29] it is currently "live streaming" the previous panel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7SqY4BWKk [18:29] which is interesting enough, but not SketchCow. :-) [18:29] http://impakt.nl/festival/2015-festival/schedule/memory-of-technology/memory-of-technology-x-future/ [18:32] not quite "live" [18:33] not exactly, no. :-) [18:37] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:37] *** swebb sets mode: +o aaaaaaaaa [19:01] JesseW, its live now. "And blank usually means fuck off" Sketch Cow 2015 [19:04] ? [19:04] link? [19:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNuatsqF9GY [19:04] humph. [19:04] sorry I missed this one. [19:04] missed the first part [19:05] JesseW, you can rewind [19:05] ah, neat [19:07] *** VADemon has quit IRC (left4dead) [19:09] *** deathy_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** JSharp_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** Boltsie_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** Ctrl-S has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** zyphlar__ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** kevin has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** _desu_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** tjg has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** diacope has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:09] *** Fletcher has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:12] finally, I've been looking at "Please stand by for 10+ minutes" [19:13] err, "please stand by" for 10+ minutes [19:16] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:16] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:25] *** kevin_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:25] *** deathy__ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:26] *** tjg has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:26] *** Boltsie__ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:26] Is there any archival value to having the *actual audio* of 80s-era data casettes? Or just get the encoded bits and call it good? 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The physical object? [19:47] JesseW: like, digitize it into wav/flac/mp3/whatever? Or don't save the modulated form and only save the demodulated data? 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