[00:10] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:16] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:21] *** ndiddy has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:59] *** JW_work2 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [01:05] *** xXx_ndidd has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:10] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:11] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:21] *** xXx_ndidd is now known as ndiddy [01:50] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:06] *** vitzli_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:07] Haven't tried it yet, but Backblaze sent an email today promoting FUSE support for B2, if anyone's interested: https://github.com/sondree/b2_fuse Looks very much beta, but... [02:09] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:21] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:22] *** JW_work2 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [02:28] *** schbirid2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:29] *** vitzli_ is now known as vitzli [02:29] is the current load on the FOS server better? [02:30] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Quit: left4dead) [02:30] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:34] *** yipdw has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:34] Sk1d, I don't think so, since ArchiveBot has 17 completed jobs stuck waiting to be uploaded :P [02:35] unless you mean the load going into it, in which case I have no idea :3 [02:35] *** yipdw has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:36] yeah im currently waiting to upload som finished fotolog jobs since a couple of hours (cant get a rsync) [02:40] so I decided to move some services to docker containers with the idea that it'd reduce my attack surface, and then a docker-engine update came in, shut down all containers, and now they won't start again due to some aufs shit [02:40] who needs attackers when system updates will do the job [02:40] hahahah [02:41] lol [02:41] yipdw: sidenote: Docker does not provide secure isolation [02:41] nor is it meant to [02:41] it's for isolating shit from accidental conflict [02:41] well even in that case [02:41] who needs accidental conflicts when system updates will do the job [02:41] hehe [02:41] well you did kind of ask for it... [02:41] :P [02:42] yipdw: ref http://iops.io/blog/docker-hype/ [02:42] it works fine for me as a dev tool, I like it when I have to install a gazillion things so I can run a css compressor or whatever [02:43] and now somehow bitlbee is disconnecting at regular intervals and argh goddamnit I should never have updated anything adkjfjfsjf [02:43] I find that this issue is basically non-existent in Node-land [02:43] well [02:43] not the installing a gazillion things [02:43] but the issues that usually result from it [02:44] (you still install a gazillion things, you just don't have to deal with a gazillion resulting problems) [02:44] `pip -r requirements.txt` aka lmao you just broke 9 things on that system [02:45] yes, I don't like pip [02:45] precisely for that reason [02:45] feh [02:45] * yipdw goes to go cook something [02:45] there's something worse though [02:45] at least my stove won't fuck up if I put a new fucking pan on it [02:45] distros trying to package Node.js modules as distro packages.... [02:45] * joepie91 sighs [02:46] NOT UNTIL THEY PUT A CHIP IN THE BURNER [02:46] YES LET'S SHOEHORN A NESTED DEPENDENCY MODEL INTO A FLAT DEPENDENCY MODEL, I AM SURE THAT THAT WILL TURN OUT WELL [02:46] the new RFID skillet by Martha Stewart [02:46] lol [02:47] *only pairs with certain stovetops, universal stovetop adapter can be purchased for $199.95 [02:47] DRM for your skillet. [02:47] phuzion: the verification server for the stovetop adapter will be taken down after 10 years though, because RFID skillet use has dropped too much for it to still be worthtwhile [02:48] so now all remaining skillets will cease to work [02:48] right? [02:50] I... what the fuck [02:50] this code I am looking at right now [02:50] frontend code adds a 'job' entry to Firebase [02:51] which is then picked up by a 'command delegator' server side [02:51] and pushed to a beanstalk job queue server [02:51] which is then picked up by a job worker [02:51] which-- what the fuck is going on here? [02:53] oh and memcached fits into that picture somewhere as well [02:53] why there are three things doing approximately the same thing, I have no idea [02:54] what is Firebase? [02:55] vitzli: trust me, you do not want to know [02:55] vitzli: but I will tell you anyway [02:56] vitzli: basically JSON-storage-as-a-service that is operated by Google, pretends to be a database, and has such mindbogglingly poorly organized documentation that it can take hours to answer a simple question [02:56] vitzli: oh, did I mention that it's designed to have clients talk direcly to it so that you "don't need a backend server"? then you get fun 'security rules' like this: https://github.com/webhook/webhook-server-open/blob/master/security.json [02:56] I like that architecture, it's like having bureaucrats push around paper [02:57] yay, my eyes bleed [02:57] *** espes__ has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:57] vitzli: and if you really want to have brain go kasplode, look at the answers to the question "how do I verify e-mail addresses" here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17723195/is-there-any-way-to-do-email-confirmation-for-firebase-user-creation-and-or-pass [02:57] because, y'know, for such a common web task, it's clearly a good sign when the answers include such terms as "workaround" [02:57] * joepie91 face through desk [02:58] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:58] this is like, the peak of irresponsible architecture design in startup fuckery [02:58] you couldn't satirize it better than the original [02:58] okay, [03:00] I got a better one for you [03:00] *** Error in `bitlbee': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007f9fc642cf90 *** [03:00] done [03:00] I dunno why but these sorts of problems in communication software really annoy me [03:00] joepie91, so it's Firebase->command delegator->beanstalk->worker, right? [03:01] vitzli: ha, no, if only it were that easy [03:01] vitzli: more like client->Firebase->command delegator->memcached+beanstalk->worker [03:01] vitzli: this is the excuse: https://github.com/webhook/webhook-server-open/blob/master/libs/commandDelegator.js#L3-L8 [03:02] * joepie91 mumbles something about tool choice [03:02] maybe they want to replace command delegator part or something [03:02] nope, see the comment [03:02] yeah, reading [03:03] it looks to be three iterations of "okay, we've picked a new tool. oh, this one doesn't fully solve the problem either, let's add another..." [03:03] *** JW_work2 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [03:03] command delegator is an awesome name [03:03] the "NO YOU DO IT" object [03:03] hahaha [03:03] I am so tempted to rename it to noYouDoIt now [03:04] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:04] I mean I assume this code had a good reason to come into existence, but the name is pretty good [03:06] yipdw: it gets better: https://github.com/webhook/webhook-server-open/blob/master/libs/commandDelegator.js#L128 [03:06] ( https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noneya ) [03:07] oh nice [03:07] (I'm slightly amused, actually - this code isn't -that- bad, it just has some very very questionable architectural choices0 [03:07] )* [03:08] (I still don't understand exactly what memcached is supposed to prevent...) [03:10] // Make sure identifier is legal memcached string I guess [03:11] *** JW_work2 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [03:12] on a different note, jackfruit with onion, lime, cumin, and sea salt is pretty awesome [03:15] that sounds gooood [03:15] yipdw: but does it fit in a Firebase?! [03:15] :P [03:15] joepie91: no keep your filthy software out of my damn food [03:15] The matter of sustenance is clearly a hardware problem... [03:16] heh [03:16] i'm sure you could fit soylent into a firebase [03:19] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:21] whenever someone mentions soylent it reminds me of this [03:21] http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331 [03:21] it's an insane man's journey to only live on dc through the most retarded means possible [03:24] I dunno if I'd call Rhinehart "insane" or "retarded", those have pretty specific meanings [03:24] I am not a fan of his worldview though [03:25] he throws away his clothes instead of washing them [03:25] I have not set foot in a grocery store in years. Nevermore will I bumble through endless confusing aisles like a pack-donkey searching for feed while the smell of rotting flesh fills my nostrils and fluorescent lights sear my eyeballs and sappy love songs torture my ears. Grocery shopping is a multisensory living nightmare. There are services that will make someone else do it for me but I cannot in good conscience force [03:25] a fellow soul through this gauntlet. [03:25] that's the most pretentious shit i've ever heard [03:26] "I think it was a bit presumptuous for the architect to assume I wanted a kitchen with my apartment and make me pay for it" [03:30] If he thinks grocery shopping is a multisensory nightmare, all I can say is he should never use public transit in any city anywhere. Ever. [03:30] well, I've given up and opened an issue asking why memcached is even part of the stack [03:32] snape, he doesn't drive a car [03:32] he only uses uber [03:32] Can't in good conscience force people to buy his groceries, but being his personal chauffeur is fine, eh? Hm... [03:34] yeah [03:34] And constantly orders clothes hand-made in China. [03:34] Rather than doing laundry. [03:35] seems more like he's pushing his carbon footprint onto others rather than actually making an effort to reduce it [03:35] I feel like the guy has the right goals and the right motivation... but missed some crucial bits of logic along the way [03:35] precisely that [03:35] Yeah. Some elements of what he does *actually* reduce carbon footprint, but others are at best shuffling it around. [03:35] "Thanks to synthetic fabrics it takes less water to make my clothes than it would to wash them, and I donate my used garments." [03:35] *** nickname_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 300 seconds) [03:36] (I'm mostly thinking of his using solar power feeding a lead acid battery and DC powering low-power-use electronics. That actually has an effect!) [03:38] i love how he's above shopping at grocery stores but loves getting custom clothing made at chinese sweatshops [03:39] Or he could just, say, shop at thrift stores, but they can be indecorously stimulating to the fragile unique snowflakes of the world, I suppose... [03:39] ndiddy: to be fair, there's not much clothing that isn't made at chinese sweatshops [03:39] or bangladese(?) sweatshops [03:39] etc [03:39] It's the constantly ordering it rather than washing clothes bit that's highly ironic. [03:39] he could buy it at goodwill or something if he wants to minimize his footprint [03:39] sure, just saying that the "sweatshop" argument is a bit weak :) [03:40] Especially as you *can* get high efficiency washers that use not much water. :) [03:40] it's a bit like complaining about buying electronics from China - in the end, good luck finding electronics that aren't [03:40] my nes was made in japan [03:40] from the last decade, I mean [03:40] :p [03:41] China has become the factory of the world [03:42] Hey, there's a thriving electronics manufacturing industry in India, and their products sometimes even occasionally work as intended... [03:42] joepie91, my unicomp keyboard was made in the us [03:43] Buckling spring master race [03:43] ^ [03:44] To be fair the design is going on, what, thirty years old now, or something. [03:45] so is their equipment [03:45] that's why mine's a bit rough around the edges [03:45] I anticipate in the coming years we'll see more electronics manufacturing done outside of China (for reasons similar to why electronics manufacturing shifted to China in the first place). [03:48] Come to think of it, I have an SSD (Silicon Power) that's "made in the USA". All the parts are from Asia, naturally. And the SMART output makes no sense... but go 'murica. [03:49] lol [03:49] also, fun friday evening question [03:50] *** xXx_ndidd has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:50] why is it that the counterargument to "abolish the patent system" is consistently "but what about medical R&D, that's expensive", even though almost nobody making that argument actually *knows* how much medical R&D costs? [03:50] makes you wonder... [03:51] *** JW_work2 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:51] Even if the patent system made sense for medical R&D... Wouldn't that just be an argument to restrict its scope to the areas where it does make sense? [03:52] pikhq: that's precisely the discussion not to have [03:52] Hmm? [03:52] (see also: how the copyright and patent systems got so corrupted in the first place) [03:53] scope creep. [03:53] you give some people magical hammers, suddenly everybody wants magical hammers, for three times as long [03:53] Mind you, I think the current patent system is so fundamentally busted that even *if* the underlying idea makes sense the only thing that's sane to do with it is toss it in the bin. [03:53] pikhq: sure, but the point being - why is medical R&D singled out? [03:54] why do you consider it a proposition valid-sounding enough to even consider assuming it to be true? [03:54] what made our collective consciousness contain "medical R&D is expensive" even though nobody has the data? [03:54] where does this come from? [03:54] Ah. Because pharm companies have spent a lot of effort spreading that meme. [03:54] but how? where? [03:55] Hmm. [03:55] pikhq: see, that's the interesting meta-question [03:55] Rather conveniently, in pretty much every medical patent-infringement lawsuit, I expect... [03:55] pikhq: because what you've just said is also more and more commonly held a belief [03:56] ie. it is penetrating the collective consciousness the same way "medical R&D is expensive" has [03:56] but... similarly, who actually knows where and how "pharma companies spent a lot of effort spreading that meme"? [03:56] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:56] "Clearly" the aliens are behind it. (but on a more serious note, I'm curious where that meme came from in the first place? It seems odd, now that I think about it and can't think of any particular evidence in favor of it.) [03:56] *** xXx_ndidd is now known as ndiddy [03:57] pikhq: it's been one I've been wondering about for a while, and nobody seems to really know [03:58] either of those two, by the way [03:58] Probably have a better time thinking about it if I wasn't computing through a migraine right now. [03:58] hehe [03:59] on a more pragmatic note - the often overlooked point in the "medical R&D is expensive" argument, is that abolishing patents will also make collaboration possible (and even desirable, logical) and thus *reduce* those very R&D costs [04:00] that are supposedly the reason for its existence [04:00] Mm, I think you're overlooking the profit-by-exclusivity argument implicit there. [04:01] snape: Oh, we know it's there, we just don't care because that's an unconvincing one. [04:02] lol [04:02] also, blah, hackerspace opening in 9 hours [04:02] I should probably start thinking about sleep and such trivialities [04:03] on which note, if anybody here is in NL.... https://www.pixelbar.nl/2016/01/21/join-our-opening/ [04:03] Alas, NL is a continent away. [04:09] fuckssake [04:10] railroad maintenance works [04:10] why [04:10] :| [04:10] the new site of the Dutch railways is snazzy and all: http://www.ns.nl/reisplanner/#/?vertrek=Dordrecht&vertrektype=treinstation&aankomst=Rotterdam%20Blaak&aankomsttype=treinstation&tijd=2016-02-13T13:30&type=aankomst&onbeperktReizen=false [04:10] but it's not really clear whether those trains will all be running or not [04:11] blah whatever [04:11] let's just hope that they will [04:13] night [04:14] goodnight joepie91 [04:24] *** mutoso has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [04:34] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Leaving) [05:05] *** espes__ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:39] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [05:41] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:46] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:46] *** robink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 190 seconds) [05:47] *** robink has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:56] *** robink has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 190 seconds) [05:57] *** robink has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:59] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:00] *** Stiletto has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:25] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:04] *** Aranje has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:15] *** oldcad has left [08:07] *** GLaDOS has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:08] *** GLaDOS has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:14] *** jspiros has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:19] *** jspiros has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:04] I had no idea https://github.com/fog/fog/tree/master/lib/fog/internet_archive [10:04] this seems kinda cool [10:05] functionally I don't know if it's better than ia upload but having a layer that abstracts e.g. AWS, IA, and Azure is kinda fun [10:05] well not Azure, maybe other clouds [10:24] *** AndrewF has joined #archiveteam-bs [10:25] *** AndrewF has quit IRC (Client Quit) [10:53] clowns* [11:07] "The uTorrent team has introduced a new ad-free version of the popular file-sharing client. Users can now buy a yearly $4.95 subscription to download the latest torrents without being subjected to ads. The new client is part of an experiment to optimize the user experience." [11:07] "experiment to optimize the user experience" [11:08] oh yes, because making people pay for a thing that they previously got for free to avoid getting ads and malware stuffed in their face, is "optimizing the user experience" [11:08] fuck off [11:13] *** msgctl has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:14] Hey, I've been wondering whether any of you is archiving Library Genesis. Just how big is it? >100TB? [11:20] ~20 was a number i once heard [11:20] there's several sections of it [11:21] joepie91: paying for piracy \o/ [11:21] just grabbed 0-10000 numbered torrents and they are 35gb [11:22] comics are probably huge [11:22] and there's 1.4million books in 1 section [11:22] and fiction is 1.545.000 [11:23] check their forums maybe for mirroring info [11:23] or just get all torrents and parse their metadata [11:26] schbirid2: that too, but I just get sick of marketers abusing the term/concept "user experience" to mean "how to force people into doing the thing we want them to do because it benefits us" [11:28] decent usenet will have libgen copy aswell [11:30] joepie91: A FRIENDLY REMINDER FROM GOOGLE! [11:30] I've been thinking about getting all of libgen just for fun. Have you tried Seagate's 8TB shingled disks in raid1 for your archives? [11:31] BTW, I'm new to EFnet. Does efnet.xs4all.nl work on your side? [11:32] *** GLaDOS has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:32] *** GLaDOS has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:34] efnet loves to fail [11:35] better to use the round robin address [11:35] it'll pass you onto a good server [11:36] irc.efnet.org ? [11:36] irc.efnet.net [11:38] >TLS handshake failed [11:39] I don't even. [11:39] I'll figure it out later. [11:40] Yeah I've found several servers that supposedly support SSL don't actually work [11:40] It's a real shitshow the servers [11:42] EFNet: You're Lucky When It Works(tm) [11:44] Yea. Im thinking of putting newsbuddy in freenode too [12:03] *** msgctl has quit IRC (Quit: http://chat.efnet.org (EOF)) [12:08] IA is down to 156 TB now [12:08] free space ^ [12:16] *** bzc6p has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:16] *** swebb sets mode: +o bzc6p [12:16] *** bzc6p has left [12:34] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:21] *** kvieta has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:41] *** mismatch has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:07] reading https://archive.org/post/1052100/enough-is-enough-thousands-of-worthless-uploads [14:08] This Noah 8-? has been around for a long time, always irritating [14:08] Doesn't understand what a library is and hates automated uploads [14:09] Must love what we do [14:09] *** kyan has quit IRC (This computer has gone to sleep) [14:13] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:19] library genesis size on January 3, 2016: https://paste.ee/p/mQU1G (total size at least 51 TiB, no data on comics) [14:22] :O [14:26] those numbers are file sizes reported by .torrent files (except of 1 file in r_ section which is a duplicate with 3 less files than its copy). Real size - only admins and mirror ops know [14:27] Kenneth, if you would create a description of your automatic uploading process it would be very helpful. [14:27] Please feel free to imagine any reason for that request. It may be the total destruction of the multiverse or the immediate enlightenment of the all beings with the ability to perceive their surroundings no matter what form their energy is in a present. I have not decided. [14:27] I do like sprinkles on my ice cream. [14:27] i lold [14:30] https://archive.org/details/gamekings_mini well this should be movies?? [14:31] https://archive.org/details/opensource?and[]=subject%3A%22TwitchTV%22 all these should [14:33] I don't see to have any/the right admin rights to move them [14:34] I do have item mgr access to make dark/undark but doesn't list anything about moving to different collections [14:35] Maybe it bein a tar is the issue too :/ [14:39] whoa you can undark? :O [14:44] *** nickname_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:44] *** arkiver3 has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:44] *** VADemon has quit IRC (left4dead) [15:27] schbirid2: yus [15:27] but only for certain collections or something [15:33] *** nickname_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 300 seconds) [15:35] *** nickname_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:48] *** nickname_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:56] Soundcloud updated Terms of Use [15:57] unlawful -> offensive [15:57] introduced new app Soundcloud Pulse [15:58] oops, offensive-> unlawful [16:14] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:28] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Quit: left4dead) [16:46] *** Swizzle has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:18] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:29] *** alberto has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:55] *** JW_work2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:11] *** GNUtoo-i1 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:12] hi, is #internetarchive the right channel for archive.org? It's for some upload related issues. [18:19] Eh, this channel is more likely to have people in it (and it's publically archived), unlike #internetarchive [18:20] What's your issue? (I'm not likely to be able to help, but others may) [18:26] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Leaving) [18:40] *** Swizzle has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:43] SketchCow: i'm up to 2008-05-18 of kpfa [18:50] arkiver: who is Noah8-? just some dude? [18:54] in relation to your post about that ia thread a few hours ago [18:54] also, its cool that user Kenneth Udut uses Excel 2000 [18:54] so do i ;D [18:54] its low on RAM [19:03] *** Swizzle has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:21] *** espes__ has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:28] *** arkiver3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:35] *** espes__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [19:46] *** oldcad has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:51] *** arkiver3 has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:25] *** mismatch has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:31] *** mismatch has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:41] i am getting: rsync: change_dir "/home/*/archiveteam/fotolog-grab/data/14552811563114734bf95b7b53-66/" failed: No such file or directory (2) [20:43] full error log here: http://pastebin.com/mp9jajvv [20:46] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:58] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:06] *** kyan has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:17] *** arkiver3 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:19] *** arkiver3 has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:32] *** MrIdea has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:41] ok, so i just read about the whole thing on scihub and the "lawsuit" against it from Elsevier, couldn't we more or less mirror it to the internet archive? seems like a repeat of what Aaron Swartz was doing [22:43] from what i've read, Elsevier basicly puts a paywall on what should be free research(for the most part),and that most academics won't even go there anymore [22:43] so maybe this could make a good warrior project? [22:49] SketchCow: your thoughts? [22:51] another thing, i'm sure at least some of the papers on there are on archive.org as well, so to reduce the amount we get, maybe scan(or what ever is better) for science papers hosted on scihub and see if there on ia, if so, move on to the next job [22:58] sci-hub ~= libgen [22:58] at that size looking for dupes would be pointless [22:58] i kinda assume that a copy libgen is already kept but no idea [23:00] *** arkiver3 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:01] schbirid2: but it is not just libgen, they also have keys for paywall shit like jstor and the like [23:03] libgen is currently available as torrents and a copy on usenet [23:03] is scihub data stored anywhere for copying? [23:05] SimpBrain: i'm not sure [23:06] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:06] i just know that maybe getting was is not in libgen and is behind the paywalls like jstor would be the main goal [23:12] MrIdea: anything that sci-hub gets ondemand goes into libgen afterwards [23:26] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:27] Anyone have a ignoreset for joomla calendar dates? Like before 1900 and after 2050 or something? [23:27] (if not i can write one, but figured I'd ask) [23:42] *** espes__ has joined #archiveteam-bs