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01:09 🔗 ndiddy just snagged a model m for $33
01:10 🔗 ndiddy i feel pretty giddy
01:10 🔗 snape_ As well you should :)
01:11 🔗 ndiddy unicomp wanted $40 to fix my water damaged one and i'm not made of money
01:11 🔗 xmc not too shabby
01:11 🔗 xmc what vintage, ndiddy?
01:11 🔗 ndiddy '94
01:12 🔗 * xmc nod
01:12 🔗 ndiddy only downside is the 1 piece keycaps but i can just swap those out with the unicomp's
01:12 🔗 xmc i have a late-80s spacesaver, A+
01:13 🔗 ndiddy how many kidneys did you have to sell to get one of those
01:13 🔗 xmc well
01:13 🔗 xmc i sold my soul to capitalism, they pay well
01:14 🔗 snape_ '89, '94, '98 here, all full-size. 1998 one is spare, NIB.
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01:15 🔗 ndiddy m2 looks cooler but i wouldn't pay more than $20 for one
01:16 🔗 snape_ Also have six or seven other keyboards. And some stupid expensive keycaps. >.>
01:16 🔗 ndiddy inferior build quality, plus surface mount caps are a pita to replace
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01:18 🔗 Spring um wtf, http://isup.me/archive.today
01:18 🔗 Spring anyone know for how long?
01:18 🔗 godane so looks like Caliphate was first said on Hannity on jan 28 2011 9:00pm: https://archive.org/details/tv?q=caliphate&time=20110106-20110131
01:19 🔗 godane then on CSPAN on BOOK TV After Words the next night at 10PM
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01:22 🔗 Spring hmm, the domain must have expired. Didn't realize I was using the alternate URL.
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02:38 🔗 vitzli Spring, archive.is/archive.today has problems with archive.today domain: http://blog.archive.is/post/138982909006/domain-problems-again
02:44 🔗 SketchCow I did not need to know about bibanon
02:44 🔗 * SketchCow presses temples
02:44 🔗 SketchCow forgotten
02:59 🔗 * JesseW is always glad of the existence of mutually-hostile archiving efforts
03:02 🔗 SketchCow nnnggghhh
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03:07 🔗 snape_ At the risk of sounding excessively stupid, or excessively paranoid, is there any meaningful value to including, say, 2-3% PAR2 files with uploads to the IA? I make 'em anyway for stuff I burn to CD/DVD/BD, so...
03:08 🔗 xmc IA keeps two copies of uploaded things, but at 2% if you thik it's worth it then why not
03:15 🔗 JesseW snape_: aside from the two copies, IA also provides md5, sha1 and crc32 hashes for each file -- so I don't think including the *.par2 files has much point.
03:15 🔗 xmc it helps recover in case of corruption, checksums only get you error detection
03:16 🔗 snape_ JesseW, the hashes will tell you a file is modified/altered/corrupted; a par2 file will help you repair it.
03:16 🔗 snape_ I'm just not clear if IA even accepts them; I can't seem to find any uploads that include them, which seems odd...
03:17 🔗 JesseW I know the volume files have recovery information -- I was referring to the index files.
03:18 🔗 JesseW I'm pretty certain IA doens't have any blanket restrictions on types of files it accepts.
03:19 🔗 JesseW There might be a post-facto removal of some file types (and par2 might be included, although I can't see why).
03:21 🔗 snape_ Guess I can just upload some and see, lol.
03:21 🔗 vitzli what is the expected scenario for par2 files?
03:23 🔗 JesseW snape_: please update the archiveteam wiki page on IA with whatever you find out
03:23 🔗 snape_ Bitrot, incomplete download, any sort of processing that would alter/strip included metadata (like EXIF fields), nefariousness by the GFW, or just general paranoia, probably in that order.
03:24 🔗 Frogging GFW?
03:25 🔗 snape_ Great Fire Wall (of China).
03:26 🔗 vitzli are you going to upload them into the same item?
03:27 🔗 snape_ That was the idea, yeah
03:27 🔗 Specular vitzli, I like how on Tumblr there are no answers to his question, only likes
03:28 🔗 Specular I like Hover.com but have no idea on their takedown policies
03:32 🔗 vitzli snape_, probably uploading them is the best way to find out. But, as I understand, IA does not touch original files, whatever they are
03:33 🔗 vitzli maybe behavior with CDX is different
03:37 🔗 snape_ Yeah, I'll give it a shot once I find something it makes sense to include them with. Unfortunately I don't have much that it'd make sense to attach them to right now. Mostly just WARCs, and Youtube material the IA doesn't want anyway.
03:38 🔗 vitzli I have an iso uploaded to IA, I may try it
03:39 🔗 vitzli any custom par2 options?
03:39 🔗 JesseW why would it make more sense to use it on non-WARCs?
03:40 🔗 vitzli -r 3 - level of redundancy?
03:41 🔗 snape_ Not non-WARCs per se, but filetypes that can't be displayed directly via the IA. Like software, say.
03:41 🔗 snape_ Yea, par2create -r3 filename /path/to/files_to_be_included
03:42 🔗 vitzli I would choose .isos solely because they were written to media already
03:42 🔗 snape_ Where 3 is the percentage of recovery blocks you want...
03:43 🔗 JesseW you are saying it makes more sense to use par2 on filetypes that can't be displayed directly, presumably because ones that can be displayed directly can be visually inspected for errors?
03:43 🔗 vitzli so it would not be just for me, but for somebody who already has the disk, but it developed minor errors and it's not worth downloading the whole item/file to fix it
03:46 🔗 vitzli is it a good idea to limit number of recovery files to just 1?
03:47 🔗 snape_ Ones that can be displayed directly are less likely to cause problems if corrupted. In the grand scheme of things, a corrupted .png isn't a huge deal. A corrupted BIOS image for a motherboard or whatever would be something I'd want to offer maximum confidence in.
03:49 🔗 snape_ vitzli, for large files it may make sense to split the recovery files - so if someone just needs two recovery blocks to fix a 20GB ISO, they can just download as many blocks as they need, not a gajillion of 'em.
03:50 🔗 xmc 20gb isn't that much data
03:50 🔗 vitzli 734316544 (701MiB) bytes iso file - 3% is only 22MiB
03:52 🔗 snape_ xmc, 20GB is plenty of data in parts of the world where high-speed internet means, say, a 1200/200kbps ADSL line. >.<
03:53 🔗 xmc in 20 years that will be less of a problem
03:53 🔗 xmc make a single par file for the whole thing and upload it next to it
03:53 🔗 xmc done
03:58 🔗 snape_ Hm, can the IA display Excel .xls spreadsheets? I've got a couple of those I could upload...
03:59 🔗 xmc not yet, but go for it
03:59 🔗 JesseW snape_: also, note that IA automatically generates torrent files for all items, so that provides a way for people to re-download just the corrupted parts of a large file.
03:59 🔗 MrRadar It might be a good idea to include a CSV version (assuming that's possible) so the data can be veiwed in-browser
04:00 🔗 MrRadar JesseW: If a file is > 25 GB in size the IA won't include it in the item's torrent
04:00 🔗 JesseW MrRadar: ah, right, I'd heard that.
04:00 🔗 vitzli oh, that's why there is no .torrent for isohunt tars
04:00 🔗 JesseW In that case, manually creating a torrent (and a PAR file) is probably worth doing.
04:01 🔗 JesseW also, there's a known (well, I've bugged them about it repeatedly) bug where the script for moving items from one server to another doesn't update the torrent with the new location
04:03 🔗 vitzli I have to download that monster somehow
04:04 🔗 vitzli and it only gets 1.5MB/s top
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04:23 🔗 vitzli .par2 uploaded successfully to fantasy-clipart-2001 item, .vol00+60.par2 still hiding somewhere
04:23 🔗 snape_ Didn't reject the par2 files at upload, now just have to wait... "There are 781 tasks queued to run before yours"
04:25 🔗 vitzli Didn't reject mine either
04:26 🔗 vitzli wondering if vol00+60 hiding because of the queue length
04:27 🔗 vitzli nnope, appeared
04:28 🔗 snape_ Okay, well, we've answered that it's possible. Whether it's a good idea is clearly another matter entirely...
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04:32 🔗 vitzli Spring, archive.is/archive.today has problems with archive.today domain: http://blog.archive.is/post/138982909006/domain-problems-again
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04:34 🔗 vitzli it seems that IA does not recognize par2 files, at least for existing items, they are behind 'show all'
04:35 🔗 snape_ Same for new items, FWIW.
04:38 🔗 snape_ Which is how it should be, probably.
04:47 🔗 JesseW So, the IA census data includes which collections each item is in.
04:47 🔗 JesseW I'd like to convert this into some kind of interesting visualization, but I'm not sure what.
04:47 🔗 JesseW Thoughts?
04:48 🔗 vitzli bookshelves :)
04:49 🔗 JesseW vitzli: say more...
04:50 🔗 Spring vitzli, thx
04:51 🔗 vitzli or maybe something like old norton speeddisk map - each item has total size property, don't remember the key, but it has, so it should be possible to draw box/pixel corresponding to each item
04:51 🔗 vitzli and collection is the set of these boxes
04:53 🔗 vitzli just to visualize the size of collection in more comprehensible meaning than '14302 items'
04:54 🔗 JesseW Hm, that could be neat, yes.
04:54 🔗 vitzli and you can make subgroups based on d1/d2 keys - servers that host items
04:55 🔗 JesseW vitzli: unfortunently, d1/d2 keys are *not* in the census data.
04:58 🔗 vitzli on the other hand it may be not a good idea to do for all census data, since item could be in several different collections, which would give the false impression on total size
04:58 🔗 vitzli but for single collection - sure
05:04 🔗 vitzli or maybe visualize books collections in terms of how much space would real books take - with pixel-artsy books, I think I could do it, programming, that is
05:04 🔗 JesseW please do, that certainly sounds neat
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05:06 🔗 vitzli there is no page count, but size for both pdfs and djvus at least gives the impression
05:08 🔗 JesseW I think what I'm going to crunch out right now is just a tab-separated-value list of collection \t identifier, which will at least provide an easy to process mapping of the contents of all the collections.
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05:14 🔗 vitzli isohunt.teapot.tar.gz, ETA: 23h18m
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05:19 🔗 vitzli I could pull the textures form bibliocraft (minecraft mod) at least I could get an idea how texture/shelf should look like
05:21 🔗 vitzli I tried to build the library from book lists in minecraft, but it hanged before hitting 500 books, which is pathetic
05:22 🔗 vitzli bbl
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05:33 🔗 JesseW Over 7 million associations between collections and identifiers seen so far.
05:33 🔗 JesseW and it's only 30% through
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06:06 🔗 JesseW A total of over 28 million.
06:18 🔗 Specular Google search becomes shittier every day
06:19 🔗 JesseW Specular: most things do, yes. What did you notice just now?
06:20 🔗 yipdw I guess you could say that Google search is not the highlight of Specular's day
06:20 🔗 JesseW :-P
06:21 🔗 yipdw that said, Google results are increasingly a direct reflection of what you search
06:21 🔗 Specular JesseW, just another search query that fails to return /anything/ relevant
06:21 🔗 yipdw sorry it's hard to not make graphics jokes
06:21 🔗 Specular *ba dum tish*
06:22 🔗 JesseW ha
06:23 🔗 * JesseW grumble -- I (stupidly) used GNU parallel's --ungroup option -- and it bit me (as it was warned to do).
07:02 🔗 JesseW OK, I've loaded the collections info into sqlite, and from that produced a list of the top 100 collections, by number of items. They are as follows: http://0bin.net/paste/lKR0fP6gvUUKgVN7#8kQXBWTNu0vEiV0xgboDKxZOFdcpeEpQKhgeHiA8jjz
07:10 🔗 JesseW Hm, that's odd. It seems like there are only ~16,000 collections listed in my data, but a search for mediatype:collection shows over 100,000...
07:11 🔗 JesseW Ah, favorites. That's why
07:15 🔗 Specular 0bin.net, what a neat site
07:17 🔗 JesseW yeah, it really is
07:18 🔗 godane SketchCow: i found a old appile journal/magazine called Washington Apple Pi Journal
07:23 🔗 JesseW Also the "search_collection" metadata option, which makes a "virtual" collection that displays the results of the given search, rather than the items actually tagged with that collection.
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08:26 🔗 godane so i noticed something odd with some of the kpfa for 2008-09-04 and 2008-09-05 mp3s
08:26 🔗 godane one is that some files are even
08:27 🔗 godane like lengths of 10000000 or 20000000 or 30000000
08:27 🔗 godane one mp3 gives 2 different time codes
08:27 🔗 godane 17:00 in xmms
08:27 🔗 godane 55:32 in vlc
08:28 🔗 godane anyways there maybe some cuts with these hours
08:29 🔗 godane standard file size is normally 10776576 or 10780672 for one hour program
08:30 🔗 godane these files with bad size are all from september 7 208
08:31 🔗 godane *2008
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11:22 🔗 arkiver 86 TB left!
11:22 🔗 arkiver Countdown to the next 2.5 PB :D
11:23 🔗 * HCross takes no responsibility for the quick filling of the IA
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13:09 🔗 phuzion arkiver: 86TB of what left? IA free space?
13:13 🔗 mismatch I once found a url that was a live monitor of IA space, I can't find it now :/
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13:23 🔗 vitzli mismatch, https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/
13:24 🔗 vitzli also, look - ftp upload! I didn't know they exist
13:24 🔗 phuzion https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/textsn.html This graph must be about my niece.
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15:33 🔗 midas1 whooo internet
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15:59 🔗 xmc internet is -1, overrated
16:07 🔗 snape_ Internet 6/10, would tube again
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16:23 🔗 i0npulse Outernet is the next big thing
16:25 🔗 HCross nah, intranet. I want to get the North Korean Intranet into the IA
16:25 🔗 MrRadar There's actually a real company called Outernet. They buy "air time" on DVB-S2 satellites and broadcast daily data dumps of CC/public domain content to people with USB satellite receivers. https://outernet.is/
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16:31 🔗 i0npulse That is pretty incredible. I did not know about that.
16:31 🔗 i0npulse So it is possible to broadcast files via this medium?
16:32 🔗 i0npulse Or is only the company broadcasting them?
16:32 🔗 MrRadar The selections are currated by the company but you can submit content: https://wiki.outernet.is/wiki/Edit_Outernet
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16:35 🔗 i0npulse Demoscene/Chiptune/Tracker stuff would be perfect for this.
16:35 🔗 i0npulse Low file size, maximum intellectual inspiration, and share the code.
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16:57 🔗 mismatch_ vitzli: thanks! this is also interesting http://gmeta1.us.archive.org/ganglia/
17:00 🔗 mismatch_ also, this is pretty fascinating to look through http://graphite.us.archive.org/dashboard/
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17:48 🔗 yipdw oh joy time to patch 61 EC2 instances
17:53 🔗 zino I have to patch ~670 metal instances. Admittedly, 641 of those is a matter of making 2 new images and rebooting them.
17:54 🔗 yipdw I'm thinking about applying the "meh" approach
17:54 🔗 zino We did some testing, and if you have your own bind as a resolver it's much harder to exploit.
17:55 🔗 yipdw I think that approach is done by the 1%
17:55 🔗 yipdw I really don't know many people at all who run their own resolvers, every OS makes it a pain in the ass to do so
17:56 🔗 yipdw I guess if you have a trusted internal network that makes it a bit easier but then again
17:56 🔗 xmc i run a local resolver on one machine
17:56 🔗 xmc but other than that no
17:56 🔗 yipdw I used to, then I realized that it didn't work in some wifi situations on Ubuntu
17:56 🔗 zino We have our own resolvers for the clusters.
17:57 🔗 yipdw after looking at a bunch of non-documentation on dnsmasq and NetworkManager I applied the FuckIt procedure
17:57 🔗 xmc yeah
17:57 🔗 xmc i did that when i was noodling around with Weird DNS
17:57 🔗 xmc like having the same names resolve to internal or external addresses depending on what interface the query came from
17:58 🔗 yipdw I mean, supposedly dnsmasq is a resolver(?)
17:59 🔗 xmc yeah, i think it recurses
17:59 🔗 yipdw anyway it is nice that currently public exploitation techniques for this require certain timeout conditions in the process under attack
17:59 🔗 yipdw so it's not a push-button-get-root just yet
17:59 🔗 i0npulse yipdw: whats the meh approach? not doing anything?
17:59 🔗 yipdw i0npulse: yeah
17:59 🔗 i0npulse lol, cool
17:59 🔗 yipdw you know Javascript fatigue, I have computer fatigue
18:00 🔗 yipdw if you like, we can name the meh approach differently and package it for professional contexts
18:01 🔗 i0npulse ah like brand it? a la <insert framework here>
18:01 🔗 yipdw we'll call it Conservative Change Risk Analysis-Based System Administration
18:01 🔗 xmc Triage Based System Administration
18:01 🔗 i0npulse oh, jargon style
18:01 🔗 i0npulse i like it
18:01 🔗 xmc CCRABSA nice
18:01 🔗 xmc C-CRABS Administration
18:01 🔗 yipdw do you have CCRABSA level 3 certification
18:02 🔗 xmc also Liberal, Moderate, and Yolo CRABS
18:03 🔗 yipdw I mean, with EC2 there is a second approach, which is "recycle all instances in rolling mode"
18:03 🔗 yipdw which, if you use Amazon's Linux distro and they've caught up, will apply security updates
18:03 🔗 xmc Kill Your Elderly
18:04 🔗 yipdw I don't think autoupdates are enabled otherwise though
18:04 🔗 yipdw xmc: yeah it's like being released in The Giver
18:04 🔗 yipdw we sing a song about their accomplishments
18:13 🔗 snape_ Doesn't seem like many (any?) CentOS repos have the update yet, sigh. >.<
18:30 🔗 schbirid update all the things \o/
18:31 🔗 HCross The rather obscure service http://demo.ovh.eu is going away. http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=12228 - Is it worth attempting a save?
18:32 🔗 HCross its basic filesharing
18:32 🔗 xmc do you have a bytes/files/users estimate?
18:32 🔗 HCross I dont, but it seems to basically be a way of sharing text files
18:33 🔗 xmc ah, kind of a pastebin?
18:33 🔗 HCross yea, sort of. But for files
18:33 🔗 HCross http://demo.ovh.eu/en/a002e29c1c9f79d290acec738f784631/
18:33 🔗 HCross is the sort of thing you get when you share a file
18:34 🔗 xmc ah
18:34 🔗 xmc hm, it looks inherently time-limited anyway
18:34 🔗 phuzion How do you intend to discover the IDs?
18:34 🔗 HCross Yea. I am really unsure on how to discover them
18:36 🔗 HCross its working out what that string is "a002e29c1c9f79d290acec738f784631"
18:38 🔗 HCross "Your files will be available for: 30 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes
18:38 🔗 HCross " - riiight
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20:25 🔗 Fletcher Hey SketchCow, any progress on my youtubearchive problem before I email Jeff?
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23:18 🔗 BnA-Robin Is there any way to find out which username is in which warc file of the hyves grab we did back in 2013? If I recall correctly there was a username list posted in the #angerthehyves channel shorlty after the grab completed.
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