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00:41 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: i'm up to 2014-05-31 with kpfa
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08:58 πŸ”— Ctrl-S___ hey, anyone here able to give me some advice about warrior scripting? I want to pass information to the wpull hook script from the pipeline.py
08:59 πŸ”— Ctrl-S___ so i could match /foo/<item_number>/<chapter>, and reject any other values for that (To ensure i only download things once, the items link to other items)
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11:39 πŸ”— alfie Ihttps://github.com/danielquinn/paperless holy shit this is everything i've ever wanted in a document scanning tool
11:40 πŸ”— alfie https://github.com/danielquinn/paperless even
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14:55 πŸ”— vitzli ersi, does it work for you right now?
14:56 πŸ”— ersi Oh, no.. I need to log on :/
14:56 πŸ”— ersi wtf, fucking assholes
14:57 πŸ”— ersi If they're trying to be annoying as fuck, then they're pretty good at it
14:57 πŸ”— ersi their web player on mobile is infuriating as well.. If you pause, you get a retarded overlay with DERPDERP U NO OR MOBILE APPZ IS GREATS YES? which is hard to close :/
15:00 πŸ”— vitzli then it's not ublock's fault :(
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15:44 πŸ”— ersi Oh yeah, I got uBlock activated. I'll see if it makes a differance
15:45 πŸ”— ersi Nope, no difference
15:45 πŸ”— ersi Oh! Now I know
15:46 πŸ”— ersi If I'm on soundcloud.com/<user> then I need to login to download
15:46 πŸ”— ersi If I'm on some other page, with the embedded web player and click download - I can download without logging in
15:52 πŸ”— dan-- That's stupid
15:53 πŸ”— dan-- Soundcloud why you stupid
15:55 πŸ”— ersi because.. clouds
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16:11 πŸ”— DFJustin soundclown
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16:24 πŸ”— SketchCow https://github.com/DocNow/code-of-conduct
16:24 πŸ”— SketchCow So, I'm fascinated because I'm not 100% sure I can thrive under such a code.
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16:27 πŸ”— phuzion SketchCow: Can we adopt the WTFPL as our CoC for ArchiveTeam?
16:27 πŸ”— ersi I hate that redicilous idiotic crap of a retard piece of codes
16:27 πŸ”— ersi (Bam, I'm banned!)
16:28 πŸ”— phuzion But only for misspelling ridiculous
16:28 πŸ”— ersi Things that can be harassment:
16:28 πŸ”— ersi * Anything
16:29 πŸ”— ersi Ohohoho, the response team won't act on: * Reverse-isms
16:29 πŸ”— dan-- >"Documenting the Now prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
16:29 πŸ”— ersi what a bunch of cunts
16:29 πŸ”— dan-- if I make a new psudonym can I claim to be one of these marginalized people instead of the priveleged cis white male I am?
16:30 πŸ”— ersi If you're trying to be fucking inclusive, don't be exclusive while pretending to be inclusive
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16:30 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: Why are you going to this? :)
16:31 πŸ”— SketchCow It's a Slack.
16:31 πŸ”— balrog SketchCow: how about in comparison to e.g. http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/ ?
16:31 πŸ”— SketchCow It's not a conference.
16:31 πŸ”— ersi oh
16:32 πŸ”— xmc i mean, i don't see you running afoul of any of these rules ... ?
16:32 πŸ”— ersi I'd still flip that the bird tho', with that kind of CoC (Heheheh cock)
16:33 πŸ”— xmc but maybe that's because i know what kind of person you are
16:33 πŸ”— xmc idk
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow I don't see me running afoul of ALL of them, of course.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow At once.
16:33 πŸ”— SketchCow In one post.
16:33 πŸ”— ersi Heh heh heh
16:33 πŸ”— * SketchCow cracks knuckles
16:33 πŸ”— ersi Sounds like a challenge
16:33 πŸ”— xmc lol
16:34 πŸ”— SketchCow No, so it's interesting. It's like someone is doing some good work on architecture. So they're using good materials. And they want the materials to not be stolen. And they want them to be worked on by compensated workers.
16:34 πŸ”— SketchCow And then you can see where they started doing the things in the GPL where, hey, we're here and we're making contract, so let's keep going.
16:34 πŸ”— SketchCow And going.
16:34 πŸ”— balrog [12:33:27] <@ersi> Sounds like a challenge
16:34 πŸ”— balrog CoCs are for people like that, who consider them a challenge :)
16:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Like, in the attempt to get rid of a gamergate situation, they have put that timebomb of "we will not accept a group who is in our opinion privileged from using this code of conduct"
16:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Theory being that you can fend for yourself.
16:35 πŸ”— SketchCow My opinion is this leads to the obvious.
16:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Back channels.
16:36 πŸ”— SketchCow Whitey has been doing back channels for a millenia.
16:36 πŸ”— SketchCow And that's how you can be sure everything being said and typed is in the most elegant, proper tea-cake style while there's a muffled stabbing in the night.
16:37 πŸ”— SketchCow It's just very hard to regulate human behavior.
16:38 πŸ”— xmc especially with rules
16:38 πŸ”— ersi Then you'll get whiney people about not being let into the freer (back) channels where the action is and then you'll get a CoC for your back channel and everyone who isn't retarded moves away
16:38 πŸ”— SketchCow No, the back channel never gets a CoC, that's why it's a back channel.
16:38 πŸ”— ersi It's easier to regulate your own behaviour. If you're upset about people being dicks (or cunts, or whatever the non-genderers have) - it's far easier to just.. not get upset
16:39 πŸ”— ersi well, depends on where you want it to go and if people get to know about it
16:39 πŸ”— SketchCow You're confusing "back channel" with "alternative communication"
16:39 πŸ”— ersi Hmmm
16:39 πŸ”— ersi Yes, I am
16:40 πŸ”— xmc back channel is a safe place for some people in an org to complain about the rest of them
16:40 πŸ”— xmc a given org may have many
16:40 πŸ”— xmc informal, by friends
16:40 πŸ”— ersi or fellow schemers
16:40 πŸ”— ersi >:)
16:40 πŸ”— ersi wait, what
16:40 πŸ”— * ersi whistles and moves slowly to the back
16:44 πŸ”— DFJustin there's always specifics you can nitpick but most of this seems like "don't be a dickbag" and experience shows there are people who need that kind of thing in writing
16:45 πŸ”— xmc that's my take too
16:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, a huge amount of it is the no-dickbag rule
16:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Which we have more of a no-sustained-dickbag rule
16:47 πŸ”— SketchCow And I think, obviously, this linked code of conduct is full of reasonable things
16:48 πŸ”— SketchCow But it's couched in such a angry, bitter wrapping, language which, while I totally get what got to that point, defeats an ultimate purpose of making your community thrive.
16:49 πŸ”— schbirid i feel like soundcloud would be a perfect target for some distributed filesystem
16:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Stop shaming soundcloud
16:50 πŸ”— schbirid never
16:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, was just thinking this over. I'm obviously fascinated with how human beings deal with being human beings
16:51 πŸ”— schbirid it's humyn! please!
16:51 πŸ”— SketchCow So, I'm going to move "archiveteam" collection under "web crawls"
16:51 πŸ”— SketchCow No.... wait, it's already there
16:51 πŸ”— arkiver wasn't it already there?
16:51 πŸ”— schbirid https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11427820
16:51 πŸ”— arkiver right
16:51 πŸ”— SketchCow Sorry, I'm being pushed to clean up our presence
16:53 πŸ”— Frogging don't shove CoCs down people's throats
16:53 πŸ”— SketchCow I have 164 items that call itself something archiveteam, with a web setting, and are not.
16:54 πŸ”— arkiver mostly dec3199 probably
16:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm not being clear
16:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I have 164 items that call itself something archiveteam, with a web setting, and are not in an archiveteam collection
16:55 πŸ”— SketchCow So I'm jamming through those.
16:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Then, if anyone is so inspired, it'd be great to find any remaining archiveteam-initiated web crawls that do NOT have the web setting
16:57 πŸ”— SketchCow http://pastebin.com/8pYuMj57 is the full list of collections
16:57 πŸ”— SketchCow I should rename/rebrand for easier finding going forward.
16:57 πŸ”— arkiver Are you also going to create collections for items that are in 'archiveteam', while they could have their own collection?
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16:58 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd like a list of candidates for that.
16:58 πŸ”— arkiver Ok, I'll get some tomorrow
16:58 πŸ”— arkiver Some of these are derived, some not, and only some are in archiveteam https://archive.org/search.php?query=Dutch%20news%20website%20screenshots
16:59 πŸ”— arkiver Can you please derive and move them?
16:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, the hell are those.
17:00 πŸ”— SketchCow So, there's a great example of why they may never be derived. (But I'll try anyway.)
17:00 πŸ”— SketchCow 14,000 files in one item!
17:00 πŸ”— arkiver That shouldn't be too much of a problem I think
17:00 πŸ”— arkiver some are derived
17:00 πŸ”— arkiver and they play well in the wayback machine
17:00 πŸ”— SketchCow I can tell you. It's a problem.
17:01 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm on the inside over here. It's a problem.
17:01 πŸ”— SketchCow A lot of "oh it just works" is "oh it just has hank make it work"
17:01 πŸ”— arkiver they're uploaded by archiveteam-dutchnews@archiveteam.org btw
17:01 πŸ”— arkiver I see
17:01 πŸ”— arkiver maybe midas or joepie91 knows something of them
17:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, first, I've initiated a switchover of all 50 to "archiveteam"
17:04 πŸ”— arkiver Thanks
17:04 πŸ”— SketchCow I've now initiated a none-derive to all 50
17:05 πŸ”— SketchCow (Derive if you never derived, but don't overwrite other derives)
17:05 πŸ”— arkiver Ok
17:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, I need coordination on this
17:08 πŸ”— SketchCow I have some redrows of about a half-dozen items in archivebot collection that never got finished or added.
17:08 πŸ”— SketchCow The reason being because of a broke-ass warc in the midst.
17:09 πŸ”— SketchCow So, I'm thinking, in #archivebot, I'm going to drop what these were, and people can track them down and resubmit
17:09 πŸ”— SketchCow OK?
17:09 πŸ”— arkiver Maybe we can keep the broken WARCs in an item specially for broken WARCs
17:09 πŸ”— arkiver So we can fix them somewhere in the future
17:10 πŸ”— SketchCow I can make a broke-ass warc directory
17:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Won't put it on archive.org because... it breaks
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17:10 πŸ”— DFJustin brokeasswarcs.zip
17:11 πŸ”— arkiver Ok
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17:14 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm on it, it's a little slow.
17:14 πŸ”— SketchCow https://catalogd.archive.org/log/446612310
17:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Here's one exploding if you want to see it go.
17:20 πŸ”— DFJustin gzip: urls-raw.githubusercontent.com-instacastcloud.com-inf-20150616-174722-cutxs-00017.warc.gz: not in gzip format
17:28 πŸ”— PurpleSym First 50 MB of that file is just zeroes.
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17:34 πŸ”— ersi that's my fetish
17:45 πŸ”— schbirid what's your 0 face, ersi?
17:45 πŸ”— ersi :0
17:46 πŸ”— ersi 0_0
17:46 πŸ”— arkiver That's going down fast https://archive.org/~tracey/stats/df.html
17:46 πŸ”— arkiver IA is saving something big
17:47 πŸ”— PurpleSym Flickr?
17:47 πŸ”— schbirid :0
17:47 πŸ”— HCross2 arkiver: it's all our news
17:48 πŸ”— arkiver they're saving 1.1 PB of Flickr?
17:48 πŸ”— * ersi pats newsbuddy
17:48 πŸ”— arkiver SketchCow: I'm not sure if that's Flickr. But a general question regarding Flickr. In what format are those pictues saved?
17:52 πŸ”— xmc arkiver: they're doing some maintenance i think https://archive.org/~tracey/stats/g479524279.html
17:52 πŸ”— xmc that looks like removing smaller disks from the cluster?
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18:33 πŸ”— SketchCow You're all so adorable
18:33 πŸ”— ersi :3
18:33 πŸ”— * Kazzy blushes
18:34 πŸ”— ersi You're just saying that to make us fork over data
18:34 πŸ”— ersi Trying to get into our harddrives
18:34 πŸ”— SketchCow I know one thing is we're doing a full to-be-offline backup of the archive
18:34 πŸ”— SketchCow I've not yet been given contact with Flickr guy
18:35 πŸ”— JW_work1 re: a full offline backup β€” that's WONDERFUL to hear.
18:35 πŸ”— ersi wuh woh, now you've got him all excited
18:35 πŸ”— JW_work1 I have been worried about that.
18:39 πŸ”— JW_work1 Having a full offline backup at least deals with the compromised-credentials-do-a-massive-deletion-spree problem.
18:39 πŸ”— schbirid anyone got a nice bash snippet to turn a random URL into a linux friendly filename?
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18:40 πŸ”— HCross Or basically if the entire IA catches cryptolocker
18:42 πŸ”— alfie HCross: which would both entertain me and sadden me
18:43 πŸ”— JW_work1 HCross: yes, comes to the same thing
18:45 πŸ”— phuzion HCross: That would have to be some seriously specialized cryptolocker
18:46 πŸ”— phuzion Wait, two questions. a.) do new variants of Cryptolocker attack NFS shares? And b.) Does IA run NFS shares internally?
18:46 πŸ”— HCross it hits anything the user has access too
18:47 πŸ”— phuzion I'
18:47 πŸ”— ersi Now we're heading into "cute" territory
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19:04 πŸ”— Smiley JW_work1: cept you can't delete at IA
19:04 πŸ”— Smiley it's impossibru.
19:04 πŸ”— joepie91 [18:30] <ersi> If you're trying to be fucking inclusive, don't be exclusive while pretending to be inclusive
19:04 πŸ”— joepie91 is SJW-land leaking into archiving-land?
19:06 πŸ”— joepie91 also, DFJustin, I've found that the only written version of "don't be a dick" that actually works is "don't be a dick" literally as such
19:06 πŸ”— ersi is old-land leaking into old?
19:06 πŸ”— joepie91 anything beyond that and you just end up in rule-lawyering territory
19:06 πŸ”— ersi please don't continue on this shit
19:06 πŸ”— joepie91 just reading and responding to backlog...
19:07 πŸ”— * ersi barfs
19:09 πŸ”— schbirid please don't barf unannounced in a public chat room
19:10 πŸ”— JW_work1 Smiley: oh yes you can.
19:10 πŸ”— JW_work1 Smiley: any uploader (or staff member) can delete (or simply overwrite) *any* file they have access to
19:11 πŸ”— JW_work1 Uploaders can't (I think) switch an *identifier* back to unused β€” but they can certainly change the *contents* of that identifier.
19:12 πŸ”— schbirid i once found a bug where i could overwrite any file in any item, got a nice jacket as thank you :)
19:12 πŸ”— JW_work1 schbirid: pictures (of the jacket) or it didn't happen. :-P
19:15 πŸ”— schbirid wow i suck at selfies
19:23 πŸ”— schbirid JW_work1: that took way too long, fucking android http://i.imgur.com/3qRIoao.jpg
19:23 πŸ”— schbirid :x
19:24 πŸ”— schbirid unfortunately it is fit for fat americans so i never wear it :(
19:27 πŸ”— DFJustin sup jacket buddy http://interbutt.com/temp/B612_20160225_090740.jpg
19:27 πŸ”— VADemon #blameMurica? I mean sometimes it's really the best choice to print a t-shirt/hoodie locally and donate instead
19:28 πŸ”— schbirid DFJustin: o/
19:33 πŸ”— HCross Anyone up for adding some more sites to our newsgrabber? If everyone in here added at least 1 site, we would be very close to 1000 sites in total
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19:47 πŸ”— JW_work1 lol β€” nice jacket collections
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19:50 πŸ”— schbirid no jacket actually but i have no idea what they are called...
19:50 πŸ”— HCross fleece?
19:50 πŸ”— schbirid yes
19:51 πŸ”— atrocity hey vern, it's ernest.. we don't want to overload the site we're archiving, knowwhatimean?
19:56 πŸ”— DFJustin sweatshirt
20:05 πŸ”— SketchCow So, predictively, I've gone ahead and cleaned up all the redrows that my first admin account has, and a few are going to take forever (the dutch pages)
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20:26 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, back to the others.
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20:44 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, all the weird ones are out of odd places.
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