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Sum |
well shit |
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Sum |
http://postghost.com/Home/Shutdown/ |
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JesseW |
Already heard about it |
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Sum |
this is BS |
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Sum |
it was a very useful service |
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DoomTay |
I didn't even know it existed until now |
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FalconK |
neither |
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FalconK |
BS indeed though |
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Sum |
I think I may have mentioned it a couple days ago when I was following a case |
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Sum |
the accountability section of their shutdown statement is so true |
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Sum |
without a third-party archive site everyone relies on screenshots of deleted tweets |
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FalconK |
there is this european right to be forgotten thing |
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JesseW |
I wonder about using hashing as a way to work around this. |
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Sum |
people with a clue will use archive.is to capture Google cache results but so many are missed |
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JesseW |
Don't display the tweets -- display *hashes* of the tweets (and hashes of the account name) |
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xmc |
eh |
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FalconK |
same problem with it being hard to search as we have now |
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JesseW |
that way only the ones that actually otherwise come to public attention are saved -- but they can be *verified* |
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FalconK |
makes it very hard to do retrospective analysis |
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xmc |
so |
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xmc |
if you click the "embed tweet" button |
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JesseW |
eh, it's a way to separate verification from publishing |
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xmc |
it gives you the full text in html |
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xmc |
so you can read it even after it's deleted |
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xmc |
it's been this way for years |
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FalconK |
there are loads of such archivings of tweets |
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xmc |
y e a r s |
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FalconK |
I noted a bunch of tweets Cathy Brennan made were archived in this way even after her account is gone, on pages noting the strange sayings she has said |
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FalconK |
it's very effective |
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JesseW |
it would be ... interesting ... to see twitter try to claim that "something with hash XXX was written by account named hash YYY" is in violation of their agreement. |
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xmc |
yeah |
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xmc |
JesseW: you're just trying to out-nerd them |
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FalconK |
it would |
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xmc |
this won't lead anywhere interesting |
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FalconK |
but it is odd enough for them to yowl that nobody may keep a record of what they saw |
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FalconK |
that is some RIAA-level shit right there |
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xmc |
yep |
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JesseW |
oh? Why wouldn't it lead to interesting law? |
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DoomTay |
I mean, the POTUS's twitter expressly allows archiving tweets from there |
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FalconK |
it would never get to court |
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FalconK |
any lawyer worth their scotch would drag that through procedure to avoid that coming up in open court |
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xmc |
a smart judge would say "you're trying to be clever but i know what you are doing and it's actually stupid so fuck off" |
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xmc |
s/smart/sharp/ |
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FalconK |
most judges lack clue |
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if it was big enough, though, perhaps the EFF might get interested and write a brief |
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xmc |
tru |
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FalconK |
that is their thing |
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in fact have postghost contacted the EFF I wonder? |
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they should |
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eh, I'm too hungry right now to continue this argument. So ... conceded, have a nice day. |
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Sum |
the thing is they mention another deleted tweets archive, Politwoops, hasn't been hit with a shutdown |
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Sum |
they're picking and choosing which sites they want to claim violate their dev agreement |
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DoomTay |
I wouldn't take that for granted though |
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xmc |
politwoops was shutdown and then reinstated |
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JesseW |
(and they mention that, and explain why) |
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Sum |
shouldn't there be a loophole to their agreement policy? |
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Sum |
that is, what's stopping an archive site like archive.org (or someone else) archiving the deleted tweets *before* the main site officially deletes them |
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Sum |
so the main site can say they did 'update' their public feeds to match the originals |
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yipdw |
FalconK: probably sending the abort signal is fine. another thing I never really figured out with seesaw was how to mark a job as failed |
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yipdw |
the warrior system does this occasionally |
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yipdw |
but we rarely ever need that in Warrior projects because the better solution is "requeue" |
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yipdw |
people have told me to move archivebot away from seesaw and I don't think that's a bad idea, it's just something I can never get myself started on |
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Aranje |
random Q: do any of you know if a kindle paperwhite (perhaps the latest one) will actually display scanned images? Like if one scans a book into a pdf and each page is an image |
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Aranje |
or for that usage should some other object be picked |
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Aranje |
a friend is trying to figure out what device to take to a sunny sandy place with potentially zero internet :) |
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yipdw |
swimsuit |
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Aranje |
already packed, but wants to take scanned ebooks as it'll be a long stay |
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yipdw |
ah |
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yipdw |
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-read-pdf-documents-on-your-kindle-paperwhit.html says the kindle paperwhite is capable of displaying PDFs |
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yipdw |
(I have no idea why that was my first search hit; maybe Google is telling me something) |
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Aranje |
yeah I know they're supposed to be idiotproof, but it was my understanding that the previous paperwhites could not do what I'm asking |
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Aranje |
but perhaps the one just released last month can |
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Aranje |
I don't know, nobody says |
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Aranje |
and dear lord reading random internet forums full of people with unrelated-to-the-question comments is not how I want to spend my friday |
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Aranje |
(lol) |
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yipdw |
stack overflow eh |
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heh |
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Aranje |
I learned this afternoon that kindle has userforums |
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ranma |
i like Stack Overflow |
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ranma |
or the series of sites |
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Frogging |
same |
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ranma |
i think StackExchange is the parent site? |
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Frogging |
it's like Yahoo Answers but useful |
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ranma |
and almost naziistically moderated |
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I like that moderators are just high ranking community members that have made a lot of contributions |
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I guess we'll order it and find out shortly. fortunately there's time before they leave :) |
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Aranje: That's definitely incorrect: nas far as I can tell *every* Kindle can display PDFs. |
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pikhq |
Though it' |
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pikhq |
s a bit less useful for some of the older ones (low res screen makes it not a nice experience) |
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Aranje |
Yeah, I know the file format is supported and all that... but non-terrible experience w/image-pages is a different thing |
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we're going to see if acrobat's ocr button can help too |
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Aranje |
turns out their workplace has their printers set up where you can scan stuff in and it'll autopdf it into an email for you |
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so... maybe run them through acrobat to see if the filesize can come down |
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then put them on the paperwhite and see if it's usable |
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ArgyroNet |
hello there |
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ArgyroNet |
any native english-speaking people around ? |
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or just anyone with a good level |
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ArgyroNet |
is "we are still deeply in need of your support" a correct phrase ? |
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dxrt |
Yeah, that's fine. |
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thanks :) |
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DoomTay |
!ao https://youtu.be/gvuqLylQOoE --youtube-dl |
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dashcloud |
ranma: we got a portion of the files section before AOL broke all the links to the files- you can still see descriptions if you go to the libraries, but there's no way to reach the files anymore |
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dashcloud |
This search covers the list pretty well: https://archive.org/search.php?query=aol+files |
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DoomTay |
So, how goes development of that examiner script? |
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Oh wow |
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https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11 |
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bwn |
doomtay: agc in js: http://svtsim.com/moonjs/agc.html |
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bwn |
also very neat :) |
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MrRadar |
Archive Team is currently number 1 on the Hacker News front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12062116 |
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MrRadar |
About Coursera |
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PurpleSym |
Someone should tell them that courses are browseable through the Wayback Machine, aren’t they? |
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PurpleSym: people having issues with that, judging from the comments |
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PurpleSym |
That’s Because the link refers to the IA item, not the Wayback Machine, as far as I understand. |
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Oh, there’s a robots.txt: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/virology/lecture_slides/W010_S001_virology.pdf |
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And playback apparently does not work: https://web.archive.org/web/20160627062435/https://class.coursera.org/bigdata-004 ? |
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i'm uploading more korea news: https://archive.org/details/koreanet-1_changwon_newsplaza-20030101 |
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PurpleSym: all info is saved though, have a look at the source code. |
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It is possible though to make this running in the wayback machine, it works in webarchiveplayer |
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I can’t tell why it is not working in the Wayback Machine, arkiver. |
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it might because URLs like https://www.coursera.org/eventing/info?key=page.error&value=%7B%22status%22%3A404%2C%22url%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwayback-beta.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20160627062435%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fclass.coursera.org%2Fbigdata-004%22%7D&user=19902603&session=7842137219-1467217133015&client=spark&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwayback-beta.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20160627062435%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fclass.coursera.org%2Fbigdata-004&time=1468094448063&screen=%7B%22he |
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arkiver |
3A1050%2C%22width%22%3A1680%7D |
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arkiver |
are still requested through www.coursera.org |
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arkiver |
instead of the wayback machine |
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along with other files that are not requested through the wayback machine |
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arkiver |
webarchiveplayer seems to be requesting everything through webarchiveplayer |
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I’ve seen those requests and thought they were sent because something failed before that. |
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might be possible |
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the wayback machine shouldn't request the .js from the original location though |
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Of course. There’s also a few requests to cloudfront.net. |
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And another one to https://web.archive.org/web/20160627062435/https://class.coursera.org/bigdata-004/data/api/reports/end_of_course_stories.json which does not seem to be in the WARCs we got. |
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arkiver |
Right |
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arkiver |
Strange we didn't get that, before starting the project I made sure we got everything |
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not having that URL saved shouldn't be much of a problem though, since the projects I tested did work with the webarchiveplayer |
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luckcolor |
here's something interestic for parsung web pages: https://github.com/mozilla/fathom |
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luckcolor |
*inteeresting |
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luckcolor |
**interesting |
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HCross |
parsing as well |
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luckcolor |
OMG lol |
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* |
HCross hands luckcolor a dictionary |
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ArgyroNet |
that's amazic :) |
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* |
luckcolor definetely has to change this keyboard |
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luckcolor |
Sigh |
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ArgyroNet |
anyway, it doesn't matter, luckcolor |
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ArgyroNet |
thanks for sharung hue hue hue hue |
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luckcolor |
np |
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luckcolor |
funny thing that will always come to my mind during these times: those irc logs will definetely land on archive.org someday so that my spelling mistakes can be kept indefinetely |
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luckcolor |
oh boy |
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luckcolor |
:P |
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hey, that's not the proper way to think |
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ArgyroNet |
the proper way is "I'll have a proof that I bettered my writing !" |
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:p |
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ArgyroNet |
anyway, ++ |
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