#archiveteam-bs 2017-01-13,Fri

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15:24 πŸ”— powerKitt I've never seen a robots.txt I hate more in my life. http://web.archive.org/web/20170113080957/http://www.1up.com/robots.txt
15:25 πŸ”— powerKitt :# Internet Archive generates us no value."
15:25 πŸ”— powerKitt *"# Internet Archive generates us no value."
15:26 πŸ”— powerKitt Fuck right off 1UP.com
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15:39 πŸ”— ae_g_i_s they're a known abusive net ^^
15:39 πŸ”— ae_g_i_s don't expect anything from them
15:39 πŸ”— ae_g_i_s IIRC their abuse contact doesn't even exist, it returns the 'no such user' message (i had to send them one after they hosted spammers)
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16:08 πŸ”— pizzaiolo oh wow
16:10 πŸ”— pizzaiolo archived anyway
16:10 πŸ”— pizzaiolo http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=www.1up.comhttp://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=www.1up.com
16:12 πŸ”— rocode I always love that thought process. "I don't see a point to it, so literally the entirety of humanity shouldn't either."
16:14 πŸ”— rocode Like that dns history site. "Instead of putting the service up for a week so it can have its contents recorded into history, I will instead assert my will by enabling anti-bot protections until the day I delete it permanently."
16:15 πŸ”— rocode "Oh, and put a quip on the frontpage about what assholes Archive Team is, so that way my users know to avoid them when in 10 days I am shutting this service down for good."
16:17 πŸ”— pizzaiolo lol
16:17 πŸ”— pizzaiolo github is down
16:18 πŸ”— pizzaiolo good thing our internet infrastructure isn't centralized... oh wait
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18:01 πŸ”— Muad-Dib pizzaiolo: "DOWN? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?! IT WAS HOSTED *IN THE CLOUD*"
18:01 πŸ”— schbirid2 CLOUDS DONT SINK
18:02 πŸ”— * Aoede yells at cloud
18:03 πŸ”— pizzaiolo 'clouds don't sink' may as well the silicon valley's official ideology motto
18:03 πŸ”— rocode GitHub is such a stupid idea. Tons of websites, frameworks, and languages depend on it with no graceful failover capability.
18:04 πŸ”— Muad-Dib rocode: I have a time machine: s/GitHub/SourceForge/
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18:05 πŸ”— rocode God, SourceForge, literally the prime example of what happens with overcommercialization of open source as a service. The fact that some major projects are still hosted on it kills me.
18:05 πŸ”— rocode Taken by the same company that killed SlashDot.
18:06 πŸ”— Frogging I thought the new management was actually making an effort to get their act together
18:06 πŸ”— pizzaiolo https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html
18:06 πŸ”— Frogging after the downhill slide the site experienced prior to them taking over
18:06 πŸ”— Muad-Dib You know the people who put crapware installers in sold it again because they realised they fucked up and didn't want to take the fall?
18:06 πŸ”— Muad-Dib afaik the new owners are pretty okay
18:06 πŸ”— Frogging yeah
18:07 πŸ”— Muad-Dib but the damage is already done
18:07 πŸ”— rocode ^
18:07 πŸ”— Muad-Dib Now it's mainly useful fro projects that stuck with them through all the bullshit
18:07 πŸ”— Muad-Dib for*
18:08 πŸ”— Muad-Dib and also as an archive of older F(L)OSS projects
18:08 πŸ”— Frogging perhaps, but it's unfair to say that the site is still a terrible place, despite their reputation.
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18:08 πŸ”— Muad-Dib agreed
18:09 πŸ”— Frogging Also I don't think GitHub itself is a stupid idea, but blind reliance on it definitely is
18:11 πŸ”— Frogging Fortunately, Git is decentralized by design, to the point that it's self-archiving every time someone clones it
18:12 πŸ”— rocode arkiver, is crapp.net to on the nose?
18:12 πŸ”— arkiver no
18:12 πŸ”— rocode #crapp.net
18:12 πŸ”— arkiver never heard of crapp.net
18:13 πŸ”— arkiver oh
18:13 πŸ”— arkiver nvm
18:13 πŸ”— rocode :P
18:13 πŸ”— Frogging is that the project name? I approve :p
18:13 πŸ”— rocode I am just here for the punny channel names tbh. Archiving is secondary.
18:24 πŸ”— schbirid2 yeah yeah git is dgtiny part of what is github though
18:24 πŸ”— schbirid2 is, etc...
18:24 πŸ”— schbirid2 issues, wikis, etc
18:30 πŸ”— whydomain Trello is being acquired by Atlassian
18:30 πŸ”— rocode Yep.
18:30 πŸ”— whydomain (Didn't post in main channel because they "will continue operating as a standalone service")
18:31 πŸ”— whydomain I love the *typical* start: "Today we’re excited to announce a new chapter in Trello’s story, and a new chapter for the story of the future of work."
18:31 πŸ”— rocode Trello has proven a pain in the ass to backup btw. Card archive (the bulk of the data) seems to not paginate nicely.
18:33 πŸ”— rocode Bunch of shit is being deleted in march it seems.
18:33 πŸ”— rocode (not trello, just in general)
18:34 πŸ”— xmc march 31 is the end of the first fiscal quarter of 2017
18:34 πŸ”— xmc things tend to die right at the end of quarters
18:39 πŸ”— Frogging Atlassian doesn't tend to kill things do they?
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18:39 πŸ”— rocode They tend to put things behind paywalls and pricing tiers.
18:39 πŸ”— rocode Bitbucket is the only example of that not happening.
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18:52 πŸ”— Frogging oh, yeah. that's true
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20:00 πŸ”— zino Atlassian is usually decent people I think. Guess: They will probably try to monetise it more, but probably by offering Jira integrating and better ties into their existing kanban tools.
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20:35 πŸ”— hook54321 !a https://twitter.com/JazzJennings__/ --phantomjs --phantomjs-scroll 60000 --igset twitter
20:35 πŸ”— hook54321 oops
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21:00 πŸ”— whydomain Have we ever looked at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ ?
21:01 πŸ”— whydomain Proudly proclaims "4.1 Million Articles archived" on the front page, and yet these articles are blocked by robots.txt
21:01 πŸ”— whydomain (why would you do that?)
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21:13 πŸ”— whydomain Oh, wow, it's 10PB... I guess I'll have to hope it stays up!
21:14 πŸ”— Frogging jaysus
21:14 πŸ”— whydomain (Note: all the data - I think all, anyway - is listed in this FTP: ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
21:24 πŸ”— ae_g_i_s confirming all the stuff about atlassian above. if you want, i can ask an employee of a...reseller? consultant-company-for-atlassian-products? if they know anything (though i doubt it, atlassian usually doesn't communicate THAT openly in advance in my experience)
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21:35 πŸ”— pizzaiolo chrome users: https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/13/wayback-machine-chrome-extension-now-available/
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21:56 πŸ”— ae_g_i_s archiving the multiverse might require more exotic data structures than we're used to :D
22:01 πŸ”— rocode pizzaiolo, is there a git repo or something we can get the plugin binaries from, for those of us with a chromium like browser without google webstore capability?
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22:01 πŸ”— godane just steal a quantum computer from one of them
22:01 πŸ”— pizzaiolo sorry no idea
22:03 πŸ”— rocode Closest I could find was this: https://github.com/internetarchive/ChromeNoMore404s but it is 3 years old.
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22:05 πŸ”— godane so i'm up to 2016-03-31 with medium.com sitemap dumps
22:05 πŸ”— godane only about 9 months more to go
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