#archiveteam-bs 2017-04-21,Fri

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02:01 πŸ”— wp494 tapedrive: as a Canuck I'm tempted to go for it but then again, the problem is me being a canuck
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02:14 πŸ”— chrono fuck bill o reilly
02:14 πŸ”— chrono he deserves to be wiped off the face of *
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06:43 πŸ”— HCross2 Best way of saving a spreadsheet like this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/pubhtml# ?
06:46 πŸ”— dxrt https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/edit#gid=0 > download as?
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13:16 πŸ”— arkiver yipdw: yes
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16:26 πŸ”— Kaz ooh, ouch
16:27 πŸ”— * Kaz prays for the raid1
16:29 πŸ”— espes__ guess a church isn't the most reliable dc
16:32 πŸ”— pizzaiolo well that explains why https://web.archive.org/save/ isn't working
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21:34 πŸ”— JAA I'm still pretty new here, but I would've found project channel logs very useful a few times already, and I've also seen one or two questions about that from others. So, unless someone tells me that I'm stupid and it exists already, or that it's a Fucking Awful Ideaβ„’ for some reason I don't know, I'll set something up in the coming weeks.
21:35 πŸ”— Kaz uh
21:35 πŸ”— Kaz someone will pop up with the reason project channels tend not to be logged, I'm sure there's been this conversation before
21:36 πŸ”— Kaz public channels are logged by logchfoo2
21:38 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, I searched the logs but didn't find anything. I probably chose the wrong keywords then.
21:39 πŸ”— JAA I figured it may be linked to the required maintenance since new project channels are created and old ones die relatively often.
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21:40 πŸ”— Kaz the most logical I can think of is there's really no need for any public logs, running an IRC bouncer will do everything for you
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21:42 πŸ”— Kaz JAA: https://s.kurt.gg/60uif.png
21:48 πŸ”— JAA It doesn't necessarily have to be completely public; I'm fine with something that can only be accessed by members (e.g. password protection or whatever). But not having accessible logs at all seems strange for me -- especially for a team of archivists.
21:55 πŸ”— JAA Kaz: Also, a bouncer or 24/7 client would work okay, I guess, but then it's still impossible to know what happened in a project before I joined that channel. This is obviously primarily relevant for long-running projects (like Yahoo! Answers or PDF).
21:56 πŸ”— Kaz to some extent, that's actually a good thing
21:57 πŸ”— JAA Plus, the channels are public anyway -- they appear in the server's LIST and anyone can join at any time. I see many parallels to public mailing lists, which often also have public archives.
21:58 πŸ”— JAA In which way?
22:00 πŸ”— Kaz are they all public? I can't remember what all the channel modes are on efnet, iirc +s hides it from /list
22:01 πŸ”— Kaz some people don't want everything they say to be logged / shared with *everyone*. With a list of people in the channel you at least know who will be reading it, with logs you have no idea
22:01 πŸ”— Kaz I personally don't have anything against it, but some do
22:05 πŸ”— JAA Maybe not all of them, but I just checked those I'm currently in: crapp.net, noanswers, and totheyard are all listed. Yes, +s would hide it. (The channel names are still public on the AT wiki though.)
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22:37 πŸ”— JAA Alright, I'm off to bed. Any comments about the above would be greatly appreciated.
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23:22 πŸ”— Odd0002 Kaz: I think you know this already but the archivewarrior OS image works now without being updated
23:23 πŸ”— Kaz looks like it was fixed with https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/commit/e6caa2e4bf408b2acf7c3a3eec87a8db1dd21a25
23:23 πŸ”— Odd0002 that's what I think too
23:24 πŸ”— Odd0002 we should probably look at updating it anyways, for security patches and stuff like that
23:25 πŸ”— Odd0002 I mean even the code that sets up the VM causes "errors" (invalid CLI option) on more modern virtualbox versions
23:27 πŸ”— Odd0002 I'll probably look into it in about a month once school is over
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23:53 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload more kpfa mp3s
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