#archiveteam-bs 2017-05-19,Fri

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godaneSketchCow: i'm upload my vhs capture your FOS
under the Godane VHS Captures folder
i have tons of tapes and over 100gb so far of vhs captures i have done myself
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nicolas17captures of? [00:11]
godanei have some tapes of original broadcasts
with commercials
i'm also giving them to the myspleen site
i have some rare stuff like USA Saturday Nightmares airing of An American Werewolf in London
from 1988-10
also found The Movie Loft airing of Silver Bullet
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wp494haha wow
I was contemplating adding dafont to font repos in navbar last night since I added two other sites but I decided to hold off for now
and then just today they reveal they've been pwned http://www.zdnet.com/article/font-sharing-site-dafont-hacked-thousands-of-accounts-stolen/
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joepie91.... MD5 ... [01:05]
wp494and apparently it was open for quite some time too [01:05]
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Lord_Nighcan someone check in #internetarchive the issue flurblefi was having? i suspect something broke with robots.txt handling recently, i've noticed this myself too
up until like 3 years ago if the current site robots.txt page blocked IA, the entire site and its whole history would be blocked
3 years ago or so this was changed that it would only be blocked if the site at the time had IA blocked, and a lot of stuff which was blocked became available
this seems to have regressed to the old behavior, site entire history is blocked if robots.txt blocks site today
and people are once again using this maliciously
hmm... does IA have a warrant canary for NSLs? i'm wondering if the change in behavior is deliberate due to a court order or something
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Somebody2That seems ... implausible. The chances of an NSL requiring such a broad policy change doesn't match my understanding of what they can ask for.
It seems more likely that it's due to the previously announced plans to adjust how they handle robots.txt. I mean, the announced plans were to *expand* rather than restrict what they distributed, but...
they also got quite a bit of pushback, so I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't decide, at least for now, to move more the other way.
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Lord_Nighits still very worrisome
since flurblefi pointed out a site which bought a competitor and intentionally blocked archived material
which was free
to force people to use their paid service
also NSL is farfetched, it could be a sealed or unsealed court order too
and i've been relying on the 'archived version of robots.txt' thing to access a few sites which are parked and blocked
and are now inaccessible
although, the site i needed doesn't have any irreplacable stuff on it, but i'm likely going to eventually run into something that does
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Somebody2I agree about it being frustrating. I urge you to make *local* copies of stuff that you find (as is a good idea in any case).
If it was an unsealed court order, I am *certain* IA would have trumpted it widely.
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Lord_Nightrue [04:14]
Somebody2And it still seems implausible for a sealed court order to demand a broad (and visible) policy change but deny the target permission to say why. [04:14]
Lord_Nighbut in this case, maybe actions speak louder than words... [04:14]
Somebody2Now, I could certainly see an *informal* threat causing IA to change their robots.txt policy in this way, and not say anything more about it. [04:16]
Lord_Nighhmm. i noticed this policy change seems to have taken effect with the updated UI as well... so for all i know this might just be a bug [04:16]
Somebody2But not a formal court order.
Have you tried the old UI?
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Lord_Nighi don't know how to force the old ui [04:16]
Somebody2A bug certainly seems most likely.
Lord_Nigh: I presume you've emailed info@ already.
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Lord_Nighactually i have not [04:19]
Somebody2do that! [04:19]
Lord_Nighi just found out about this half an hour ago [04:19]
Somebody2ah, ok
but it's always a good idea to email info@ (and wait a couple of days to see what if any response shows up)
also, https://archive.org/wayback/web_beta_feedback.php
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Lord_Nighok, what i thought was another bug was actually ia fixing a semi-related bug
so scratch that off
though the use of the wrong robots.txt is still a bug
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Somebody2Oh? [04:33]
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Lord_Nighhttps://archive.org/post/1019415/retroactive-robotstxt-removal-of-past-crawls-aka-oakland-archive-policy
there was another bug with forcing ia to return css for a page or image for a page sometimes but not always bypassing the robots.txt restriction; this has been fixed.
it sounds like sometime in 2015 IA switched from the "modified oakland standard" where if user agent was "ia_archiver" in robots.txt it would be retroactively blocked
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Somebody2hm, interesting [04:54]
Lord_Nighto the structure up to 3 months ago where it respected the archived version of robots.txt
now it has gone to the TRUE oakland standard where it respects robots.txt fully and retroactively, which was previously deemed too strict
i.e. it doesn't matter if agent is "ia_archiver" or ""
it treats it retroactively always
i suspect the "true oakland standard" thing is a bug
but the bugfix for occasionally bypassing robots.txt i can understand that
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Somebody2makes sense
please do email info@
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Lord_Nighok [04:57]
sent mail to info [05:06]
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Somebody2Lord_Nigh: great -- I also reached out to a few people. [05:31]
Lord_Nighits also possible i'm completely wrong about the retroactive blocking removal, and if a page was once blocked, it will always be blocked in the archive, but if a page is currently blocked, then all versions of the page are blocked
which is silly especially with the ia_archiver thing not being required
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godaneSketchCow: https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/6c1qge/nice_estate_sale_find_every_issue/
i know you most like have a full set
we need to get the missing issues from 1987 to 1998 scanned
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hook54321Does anyone know where I can find copies of instructions for these lego sets http://www.brickmania.com/ [18:04]
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