#archiveteam-bs 2017-05-19,Fri

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00:09 🔗 godane SketchCow: i'm upload my vhs capture your FOS
00:09 🔗 godane under the Godane VHS Captures folder
00:10 🔗 godane i have tons of tapes and over 100gb so far of vhs captures i have done myself
00:11 🔗 nicolas17 captures of?
00:11 🔗 godane i have some tapes of original broadcasts
00:11 🔗 godane with commercials
00:12 🔗 godane i'm also giving them to the myspleen site
00:13 🔗 godane i have some rare stuff like USA Saturday Nightmares airing of An American Werewolf in London
00:13 🔗 godane from 1988-10
00:13 🔗 godane also found The Movie Loft airing of Silver Bullet
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01:03 🔗 wp494 haha wow
01:04 🔗 wp494 I was contemplating adding dafont to font repos in navbar last night since I added two other sites but I decided to hold off for now
01:04 🔗 wp494 and then just today they reveal they've been pwned http://www.zdnet.com/article/font-sharing-site-dafont-hacked-thousands-of-accounts-stolen/
01:05 🔗 joepie91 .... MD5 ...
01:05 🔗 wp494 and apparently it was open for quite some time too
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03:48 🔗 Lord_Nigh can someone check in #internetarchive the issue flurblefi was having? i suspect something broke with robots.txt handling recently, i've noticed this myself too
03:49 🔗 Lord_Nigh up until like 3 years ago if the current site robots.txt page blocked IA, the entire site and its whole history would be blocked
03:49 🔗 Lord_Nigh 3 years ago or so this was changed that it would only be blocked if the site at the time had IA blocked, and a lot of stuff which was blocked became available
03:50 🔗 Lord_Nigh this seems to have regressed to the old behavior, site entire history is blocked if robots.txt blocks site today
03:50 🔗 Lord_Nigh and people are once again using this maliciously
03:54 🔗 Lord_Nigh hmm... does IA have a warrant canary for NSLs? i'm wondering if the change in behavior is deliberate due to a court order or something
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04:01 🔗 Somebody2 That seems ... implausible. The chances of an NSL requiring such a broad policy change doesn't match my understanding of what they can ask for.
04:02 🔗 Somebody2 It seems more likely that it's due to the previously announced plans to adjust how they handle robots.txt. I mean, the announced plans were to *expand* rather than restrict what they distributed, but...
04:02 🔗 Somebody2 they also got quite a bit of pushback, so I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't decide, at least for now, to move more the other way.
04:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh its still very worrisome
04:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh since flurblefi pointed out a site which bought a competitor and intentionally blocked archived material
04:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh which was free
04:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh to force people to use their paid service
04:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh also NSL is farfetched, it could be a sealed or unsealed court order too
04:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh and i've been relying on the 'archived version of robots.txt' thing to access a few sites which are parked and blocked
04:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh and are now inaccessible
04:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh although, the site i needed doesn't have any irreplacable stuff on it, but i'm likely going to eventually run into something that does
04:13 🔗 Somebody2 I agree about it being frustrating. I urge you to make *local* copies of stuff that you find (as is a good idea in any case).
04:13 🔗 Somebody2 If it was an unsealed court order, I am *certain* IA would have trumpted it widely.
04:14 🔗 Lord_Nigh true
04:14 🔗 Somebody2 And it still seems implausible for a sealed court order to demand a broad (and visible) policy change but deny the target permission to say why.
04:14 🔗 Lord_Nigh but in this case, maybe actions speak louder than words...
04:16 🔗 Somebody2 Now, I could certainly see an *informal* threat causing IA to change their robots.txt policy in this way, and not say anything more about it.
04:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh hmm. i noticed this policy change seems to have taken effect with the updated UI as well... so for all i know this might just be a bug
04:16 🔗 Somebody2 But not a formal court order.
04:16 🔗 Somebody2 Have you tried the old UI?
04:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh i don't know how to force the old ui
04:16 🔗 Somebody2 A bug certainly seems most likely.
04:19 🔗 Somebody2 Lord_Nigh: I presume you've emailed info@ already.
04:19 🔗 Lord_Nigh actually i have not
04:19 🔗 Somebody2 do that!
04:19 🔗 Lord_Nigh i just found out about this half an hour ago
04:19 🔗 Somebody2 ah, ok
04:20 🔗 Somebody2 but it's always a good idea to email info@ (and wait a couple of days to see what if any response shows up)
04:22 🔗 Somebody2 also, https://archive.org/wayback/web_beta_feedback.php
04:31 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok, what i thought was another bug was actually ia fixing a semi-related bug
04:31 🔗 Lord_Nigh so scratch that off
04:32 🔗 Lord_Nigh though the use of the wrong robots.txt is still a bug
04:33 🔗 Somebody2 Oh?
04:52 🔗 Lord_Nigh https://archive.org/post/1019415/retroactive-robotstxt-removal-of-past-crawls-aka-oakland-archive-policy
04:52 🔗 Lord_Nigh there was another bug with forcing ia to return css for a page or image for a page sometimes but not always bypassing the robots.txt restriction; this has been fixed.
04:54 🔗 Lord_Nigh it sounds like sometime in 2015 IA switched from the "modified oakland standard" where if user agent was "ia_archiver" in robots.txt it would be retroactively blocked
04:54 🔗 Somebody2 hm, interesting
04:54 🔗 Lord_Nigh to the structure up to 3 months ago where it respected the archived version of robots.txt
04:55 🔗 Lord_Nigh now it has gone to the TRUE oakland standard where it respects robots.txt fully and retroactively, which was previously deemed too strict
04:55 🔗 Lord_Nigh i.e. it doesn't matter if agent is "ia_archiver" or ""
04:55 🔗 Lord_Nigh it treats it retroactively always
04:56 🔗 Lord_Nigh i suspect the "true oakland standard" thing is a bug
04:56 🔗 Lord_Nigh but the bugfix for occasionally bypassing robots.txt i can understand that
04:56 🔗 Somebody2 makes sense
04:56 🔗 Somebody2 please do email info@
04:57 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok
05:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh sent mail to info
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05:31 🔗 Somebody2 Lord_Nigh: great -- I also reached out to a few people.
05:32 🔗 Lord_Nigh its also possible i'm completely wrong about the retroactive blocking removal, and if a page was once blocked, it will always be blocked in the archive, but if a page is currently blocked, then all versions of the page are blocked
05:32 🔗 Lord_Nigh which is silly especially with the ia_archiver thing not being required
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17:55 🔗 godane SketchCow: https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/6c1qge/nice_estate_sale_find_every_issue/
17:55 🔗 godane i know you most like have a full set
17:55 🔗 godane we need to get the missing issues from 1987 to 1998 scanned
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18:04 🔗 hook54321 Does anyone know where I can find copies of instructions for these lego sets http://www.brickmania.com/
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