#archiveteam-bs 2017-05-30,Tue

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godaneso i got a micro video learning systems tape
its a 'bootleg' from a one of my dad's work buddys
and the video has had better days
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looks like none of the videos can be found online
SketchCow: i think you may need to sent me tapes at some point
i'm doing just a lot of captures these days
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godanethis tape is very shitty now
i'm skipping that tape for now cause its very shitty to the point that its not a good copy at all
and since its a bootleg of it i feel i need a original tape of it
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SketchCowhttps://archive.org/details/TNM_Avery_Tabulabels_For_Tape_Reels [02:44]
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kittymeowreading http://jrs-s.net/2015/02/06/zfs-you-should-use-mirror-vdevs-not-raidz/ and http://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-using-zfs-for-your-home-nas.html makes me want to just hide in bed so complicated and seemingly no right choice aaaaa (I don't usually know anything about this stuff but I feel I have to try understand it all to try make an educated choice to avoid being screwed
over when ...
... another cheap usb hard disk dies again :( )
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this stuck out as terrifying quote "RAIDZ1 .. you have no fault tolerance at all until the disk has been replaced and completely resilvered… which could take days or even weeks, depending on the performance of your disks, the load your actual use places on the disks, etc. And if one of your disks failed, and age was a factor… you’re going to be sweating bullets wondering if another
will fail ...
... before your resilver completes. "
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ivankittymeow: strip USB drives to bypass everyone's flaky or transparently-encrypting controllers. skip RAID entirely and have a second computer
the right answer is some kind of object storage filesystem that ensures >= 2 copies and the terrible approximation of that is rsync'ing to a second copy
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RAID is for either increasing read speeds or ensuring availability for OLTP applications (of which very few are actually constrained by the annual failure rate of good hard drives)
aka not archiving operations where days of downtime is tolerable
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kittymeowivan : the thing about raid stuff though is it makes a backup live, like sure if something dies you will be able to have most of your stuff on your backup, but you'll lose like a few days or weeks of stuff which might be important or career/life changing etc - sure not much would be lost in comparison to cold backups but it seems like the only way to get a chance to not lose stuff on
that fatal ...
... die when something dies? (im a noob and mostly make/read/watch media I have windows and cheap usb drives and nothing with professional tech abbreviations I never heard of rsync til today actually even though I've been googling this stuff to try learn, aw. I just looked at http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync#rsync_applications and it seems like there's a few that work with windows hm
but yeah it does ...
... seem like it still has the problem that if something on that day is important your backup will be at best a day or 2 away?
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JAARAID is not a backup. It protects you from hardware failures (to some degree), but it doesn't help at all in various other situations such as accidental file deletion, software malfunction, or malware. [09:31]
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kittymeowa cold backup of hard disks not connected to anything (with a usb cradle so there's less things that can break) and storing copies at other places/proper archives/cloud stuff seems like the most reliable yeah, but for everyday use without RAID it seems it's really easy to lose everything since your last backup? since hard drives are expected to die (and horribly it seems that's something
that ...
... seems to never be advertised by the manufacturers despite it being a good reason to buy more hard disks every few years, that seems silly)
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JAAThat's true whether you use RAID or not. RAID just gives you some additional protection from specific failure modes.
What you probably want is a separate storage system which only allows appending new data, not overwriting or deleting old one. Then, you backup to that system frequently enough to minimise the amount of work lost at any point in time. You could even backup continuously, i.e. whenever a file changes.
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kittymeowIs there anything that does that seamless backup to something because that sounds like the whole NAS with raid thing that I was looking int obefore but usb disks seem really prone to failure and also windows acts weird with them a lot (it will freeze a program/everything while it waits for the usb disk to spin up, but also constantly keeping it spinning means it's more likely to wear
out quicker ...
... I thought, not that you can do that it seems even if you turn the power saving off it still does it due to something set in the hardware in the external drive thing I guess)
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JAANo idea since I haven't used Windows in many years. My backups currently consist of regular, manual rsyncs to cold storage. [10:31]
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ivankittymeow: all you need to avoid usb drive problems is a computer with a case with a bunch of 3.5" drive slots
I just write programs that do all the rsync'ing I need to do
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ivanI can even switch whether my desktop or my laptop is the master copy [14:25]
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kittymeowprogramming makes kittens cry :( [15:59]
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timmcPurpleSym, arkiver, greenie: weffey has some initial URL listings for Imzy. https://imzy-default.s3.amazonaws.com/export/archive/community_urls.txt https://imzy-default.s3.amazonaws.com/export/archive/profile_urls.txt https://imzy-default.s3.amazonaws.com/export/archive/anon_profile_urls.txt -- post URLs forthcoming
(No channel yet?)
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PurpleSymHuh, that’s 10x the number of communities I discovered, timmc. Wondering what went wrong with my discovery… [16:32]
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MrRadarPurpleSym: it looks like that list includes the /about, /rules, and /leaders URLs for each community. Did you count those as part of your discovery? [16:34]
PurpleSymNope, removed them. Still 777 vs 7309. [16:34]
Guess /api/communities returns only a subset of communities then. [16:41]
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timmchttps://imzy-default.s3.amazonaws.com/export/archive/post_urls.txt
Static pages: /about /communities /community-policy /developers /faq /login /privacy-policy /recovery /search /signup /terms /upgrade-browser
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MrRadarThanks! These links will be very helpful [16:55]
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Nazcaisn't tracker rate limit a bit extreme for steam right now? if I'm doing the math right we're not going to make it at this pace
just barely, but still
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MrRadarNazca: We already grabbed all the threads, now we're just grabbing extra links (e.g. viewing individual posts or looking up threads by posts) [17:45]
Nazcaoh, nice
probably should be written down somewhere in the project page
unless it was and I'm just blind, brb checking
hm I don't think it is stated clearly, but I guess it's actually better if people don't know
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greeniePurpleSym: we suppress non-active communities from /communities unless you're on a staffed account. Thats probably why you found 777 versus 7309. I think we suppress communities that haven't been active in a few weeks from discovery. [22:02]
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SketchCowHEY HEY HEY
https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/869687322010320896
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xmcexcellent selfie [23:06]

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