#archiveteam-bs 2017-06-13,Tue

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04:07 🔗 Somebody2 Lord_Nigh: Considering the IA staffer in question was Jason, I think a more likely case than legal is "Jason is known to oppose robots.txt entirely, so ask him not to talk about IA's policies on it"
04:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh hmm. could be.
04:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh he may be pissed off about the current situation but his hands are tied
04:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh who knows
04:08 🔗 Somebody2 If some *other* IA staffer were to say "I'm actually not allowed to comment on the robots.txt thing", I'd be a lot more likely to point to legal stuff.
04:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh true
04:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh for all i know the entire "sudden change" in the way robots.txt is a bug
04:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh but if so i have no idea who is in charge of fixing it
04:10 🔗 Somebody2 I have no doubt Jason would prefer to see the Wayback Machine ignore robots.txt, but I am also certain it isn't his decision.
04:11 🔗 Somebody2 And I know he pissed off various people when he talked about the proposed changes earlier, so it doesn't surprise me *at all* that he was asked not to talk about it further.
04:11 🔗 Somebody2 pissed off various people *OUTSIDE IA*
04:11 🔗 Somebody2 important clarification.
04:12 🔗 Somebody2 I have no idea what anyone actually connected with IA felt about it.
04:17 🔗 Somebody2 I'm also pretty amused/frustrated by MogMiner's comment: "given how open IA usually is, I'm just baffled why this is such a touchy subject with them"
04:17 🔗 Somebody2 It's really *obvious* to me at least why this is a touchy subject!
04:18 🔗 Somebody2 IA's fundamental way to deal with people upset about them distributing stuff is to say, "OK, sorry, we've stopped now. Bye!"
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04:19 🔗 Somebody2 Adjusting robots.txt functionality in Wayback (either way) affects that -- *of course* they are touchy about it!
04:20 🔗 Somebody2 And the tactic (of saying, sorry-we've-stopped-now) works better the less attention is paid to it -- so minimizing what is said about things ...
04:20 🔗 Somebody2 ... associated with the topic is basic sensible strategy.
04:23 🔗 Somebody2 OK, rant over.
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04:36 🔗 bsmith093 tapedrive: http://database.savefanfiction.tk/ throws a 404 Sorry, the requested URL 'http://database.savefanfiction.tk/' caused an error:Not found: '/'
04:38 🔗 * Somebody2 goes to read the source code of ia-mine again
04:50 🔗 jrwr Somebody2: also don't prevent from saving anyway and just not displaying
04:51 🔗 jrwr gotta think of the long game :)
04:51 🔗 Somebody2 jrwr: wait, what?
04:51 🔗 Somebody2 I think I forgot the thread of this conversation.
04:52 🔗 jrwr Yarg! Evil Robots.txt
04:52 🔗 jrwr :)
04:52 🔗 * Somebody2 is still confused
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04:54 🔗 jrwr Somebody2: Having Wayback ignore Robots.txt, it could still store and not display
04:54 🔗 jrwr I would suspect that is whats going on
04:54 🔗 Somebody2 Ah, I see.
04:54 🔗 jrwr I bet its just some temp bullshit going down
04:55 🔗 Somebody2 I agree that is likely, yes.
04:56 🔗 jrwr Somebody2: just got done setting up a Onion Enabled ArchiveBot
04:56 🔗 Somebody2 jrwr: I saw -- good work!
04:56 🔗 jrwr I feel like that is a ever growing gap
04:56 🔗 jrwr I know there can be some crazy shit, but its still our culture
04:59 🔗 davidar another possibility is that they're trying different robots.txt behaviours to see how much people complain about them, perhaps
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05:00 🔗 Somebody2 davidar: that's an ... amusing ... possibility
05:02 🔗 jrwr hahaha
05:02 🔗 jrwr I love it
05:03 🔗 jrwr I went on a watching spree of defcon and other con videos
05:03 🔗 jrwr man I think ive watched over 3-4 hours of SketchCow talking now
05:04 🔗 Somebody2 jrwr: only 4 hours? There's lots more...
05:04 🔗 jrwr I know, just haven't hunted them down "yet"
05:04 🔗 Somebody2 jrwr: http://ascii.textfiles.com/speaking
05:05 🔗 * jrwr adds it to his watch list
05:05 🔗 Somebody2 jrwr: it's a list, not a specific one
05:05 🔗 jrwr Im adding them all
05:05 🔗 Somebody2 nods
05:07 🔗 jrwr He is good fun
05:07 🔗 jrwr Right now im watching 3C33 on a 6502 found in a cable box
05:08 🔗 * Somebody2 is intending to watch the rest of the "Update or Die" conference videos here: https://www.youtube.com/user/phicentre/videos
05:08 🔗 jrwr I don't know why, but i love the 6502, I've done a ton of arcade machine repair and love the layout it promotes
05:10 🔗 jrwr I need to publish my work on a clip on SRAM tester and 6502 Debugger
05:11 🔗 jrwr it uses a fuck ton of pogo pins, but allows me to sniff all the data off the 6502 as it comes in and out, and the rPi keeps up with it in a 6502 emulated CPU, this allows the rPi to in theory replace the 6502 on board
05:17 🔗 davidar according to https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-search-engines-dont-work-well-for-web-archives/#comment-359347 "ia_archiver" isn't even wayback's useragent (anymore?)
05:39 🔗 Somebody2 davidar: interesting
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07:57 🔗 MrRadar arkiver: I'm still seeing the infinite 206s for IMzy
07:58 🔗 MrRadar It's not on every item, but I've got a big backlog of items on my VPSes with them
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08:00 🔗 Kalroth MrRadar: isn't that expected? 206 just means there's more to download
08:00 🔗 MrRadar But fot literally 3000+ requests in a row?
08:00 🔗 MrRadar 3514=206 https://www.imzy.com/api/accounts/profiles/mcnulty?check=true
08:00 🔗 MrRadar For the same URL
08:01 🔗 Kalroth yeah, i got a lot of those too, i guess i assumed it was fetching some more data or something
08:02 🔗 Kalroth the page is empty, maybe it's imzys way of saying come back later? dunno
08:03 🔗 Kalroth I get different sized responses when refreshing in Chrome
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13:22 🔗 Kalroth MrRadar: i'm beginning to suspect that you're right, something is very strange with the imzy archiver
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14:34 🔗 kanzure p/win 2
14:34 🔗 kanzure erji0jwq9r1r0rjaodsjfiq
14:34 🔗 kanzure dsaffdiqi023
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14:55 🔗 midas rong.
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16:38 🔗 MrRadar Verizon closed on their acquisition of Yahoo: https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/13/verizon-closes-4-5b-acquisition-of-yahoo-marissa-mayer-resigns-memo/
16:39 🔗 jrwr Kaboom
16:39 🔗 jrwr I have a feeling its going to die now
16:39 🔗 jrwr its going to get renamed
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18:20 🔗 joepie91 Veriyoo
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21:33 🔗 MrRadar Interesting link from /r/DataHoarder: https://it.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/6gyspx/2_tib_of_old_scene_games_finally_released/
21:41 🔗 schbirid nice, thanks
21:48 🔗 jrwr Grab it, Catalog it, and store it
21:48 🔗 jrwr Someday, some one will want it
21:48 🔗 jrwr thats how I see it
21:48 🔗 jrwr even if they can't use it for the next 50 years
21:49 🔗 jrwr if we dont save it, no one else will, save it for the future when 100 years from now we can show them how all this went down
21:58 🔗 jrwr \
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