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00:12 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud Lord_Nigh: for what it's worth, I use an SVHS vcr and an AVT-8710 (which has TBC) for VHS capture
00:13 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Nobody complains about anyone
00:16 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr I figured SketchCow, we are using a nginx proxy to reduce connections to the API
00:16 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr since we where maxing it out
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00:57 ๐Ÿ”— nyany are there any projects worth going for at the moment other than urlteam?
00:57 ๐Ÿ”— nyany sorry, haven't been involved lately.
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01:08 ๐Ÿ”— voidsta 2/6
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01:10 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr nyany: NewsGrabber
01:11 ๐Ÿ”— ivan https://twitter.com/_jared/status/878036763805048832 Basho probably dead
01:13 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr http://basho.com/
01:13 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr check out the link near the bottom middle that says Bashoโ€™s Riakยฎ is a distributed NoSQL database that delivers:
01:13 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr its Broken
01:13 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr how in the hell do you have a professional website with a broken link
01:15 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Their tech blog has some good posts, e.g. http://basho.com/posts/technical/vector-clocks-revisited-part-2-dotted-version-vectors/
01:17 ๐Ÿ”— timmc I know someone who used to work there.
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01:30 ๐Ÿ”— nyany jrwr: got it
01:41 ๐Ÿ”— godane hey SketchCow
01:41 ๐Ÿ”— godane i'm closer to been done with my tape captures
01:41 ๐Ÿ”— godane i got the 2 full selfs of tapes gone
01:42 ๐Ÿ”— godane i'm just down to a cupboard
01:42 ๐Ÿ”— godane of tapes
01:42 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Audio/Video/Data
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01:46 ๐Ÿ”— MrRadar If your system is stationary a better solution might be a cantenna or equivalent
01:46 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Ya
01:46 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Most APs are about 100-200mW
01:46 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr that Mikrotik is rated for outdoor use :)
01:46 ๐Ÿ”— Soni why not add grounded tinfoil padding to my house and a cell booster?
01:47 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr :)
01:47 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Its what I use, and have been so far impressed as hell by it
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02:15 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Isn't a 1000mW AP a good way to have the FCC / CRTC knocking at your door?
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02:16 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging not if you have an amateur radio license and are using the right frequency :)
02:17 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging (part of one of the ham bands intersects wifi :p)
02:19 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Crusher: https://routerboard.com/RB951Ui-2HnD
02:23 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Hue
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02:23 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher That's naughty :P
02:24 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Hehehe
02:24 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr And I can set it to non-us channels
02:24 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr CH18 HERE I COME
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02:26 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Uh oh... Why did my server stop contributing to imzy...
02:26 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher That's not good
02:30 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr I use this little guy Crusher mounted to a pith helmet https://routerboard.com/RBmAP2nD
02:30 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr https://jrwr.io/doku.php?id=projects:hatnas
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02:33 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging that is neat
02:34 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Combine that with the guy who made the solar charging hat Kickstarter
02:34 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher And the runtime becomes forever :P
02:35 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Right now its 29 Hours
02:35 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher (yes, he used LiFePo4 cells)
02:35 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr with that battery pack
02:35 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher That one is using LiFe cells right?
02:35 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Not straight Lithium ion?
02:36 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Li-ion
02:36 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr its a 27k mWh Battery
02:36 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr fits in my pocket very well
02:36 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Oh ok
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Pocket mounted battery
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Long 6ft cables
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher I'm not putting a lion battery on my head xD
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— Soni yay for docker
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— Soni never used it before but it seems to have worked
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Brb, switching to WiFi
02:37 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Crusher: its a Public File Sharing system
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02:40 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr So its a public file sharing system
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr I take it to Conventions and things
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr and wear it around walmart sometimes
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging hehe
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr it has a PHP based interface
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr a little menu on the pi it self to do admin things
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr (uses 2FA OTC to unlock)
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr and is pretty secure, even has SSL + HTTP/2
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— Soni I can hear my wifi and it's annoying
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr You can hear 2.4Ghz?!
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging can you hear radio stations
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging that'd be super cool
02:41 ๐Ÿ”— Soni my speakers kinda pick up wifi and basically any radio signals
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Oh
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Soni so I hear annoying noise
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr You need a magnet puck
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Soni but that's how I know it's working
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging need ferrites
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Soni I need a faraday cage tbh
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Soni or uh
02:42 ๐Ÿ”— Soni shielded cables
02:44 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Anyway, I call it HatNAS
02:44 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging good name
02:47 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr I figured
02:47 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Im kind of broke, or would of gotten more drives for it
02:48 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Need a way to hack a voltagereg on the pi so I can talk USB Charger and get more volts
02:48 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr if I can get 14 @ 2A (what QC2 is rated for)
02:48 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr and down convert to 5v 1.5A Stable
02:48 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr that would be legit
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat jrwr: you're going to defcon?
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Yes
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— * robogoat is jealous.
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Im going to go super broke doing it
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat Bunch of buddies are headed out for that week.
02:51 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Whole paycheck
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02:52 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat I hate vegas, but seeing some folks that have come distances would be fun.
02:52 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr I am going to a CTF this weekend
02:52 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr my first one
02:53 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat Cool, have fun!
02:53 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Im with a local CitySec style group
02:53 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr so I have backup, we meetup once a month, damn good fellows
02:54 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat Nice, yeah,
02:54 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat there is a local defcon group and 2600 meetup in my area.
02:54 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat And I host a sparsely attended cryptoparty.
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02:55 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr We have about 10 guys show up in a very nice tavern and talk shit for about 8 hours
02:55 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat Nice.
02:56 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr We hang out in a slack all day as well, about 200 of us
02:56 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat Whoa, that's quite a crew.
02:56 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat There's no local infosec slack here AFAIK.
02:56 ๐Ÿ”— robogoat We have a general technology slack people hang out in, though.
03:01 ๐Ÿ”— jrwr Ya, Ours is called STLSec
03:04 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Hey, imzy is really speeding up
03:04 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Half way done
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03:28 ๐Ÿ”— Soni aw shit *plugs holes*
03:29 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Mundus, stop making us look bad!
03:29 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher :P
03:30 ๐Ÿ”— Soni holes plugged
03:30 ๐Ÿ”— Soni idk why I operate my firewall in blacklist mode .-.
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05:33 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Is there any reason for the checkip() function to not be run only once when the warrior starts?
05:34 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Currently it seems to run during every thread, which seems inefficient given that "am I behind a proxy / firewall" is not going to change between threads
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05:38 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher I'm sure the sites used as examples would appreciate not having our packets hit them every time we try to scrape a file
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06:49 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Crusher: The IP check only looks up the IPs for those hosts, it doesn't actually contact them (as far as I know).
06:50 ๐Ÿ”— JAA It's really just "Do these hosts resolve to different IPs?", not a thorough check whether those pages return specific content or something like that.
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08:57 ๐Ÿ”— werethles So.
08:57 ๐Ÿ”— werethles I ran the "pip install --upgrade seesaw" But what directory do I cd to?
08:58 ๐Ÿ”— JAA The repository. I.e. git clone https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/imzy-grab.git && cd imzy-grab
09:00 ๐Ÿ”— JAA You'll probably run into issues when you run get-wget-lua.sh though. Coincidentally, I just helped someone with that yesterday. See here: http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2017-06-22,Thu&sel=347#l343
09:01 ๐Ÿ”— JAA (Obviously, you can ignore the OpenSSL parts if you use GnuTLS.)
09:04 ๐Ÿ”— werethles So I can't have the script auto choose a project?
09:05 ๐Ÿ”— JAA No, that's not possible.
09:05 ๐Ÿ”— JAA The scripts will also not update automatically. If you're getting an "out of date" error, you'll have to stop them, run git pull, and restart.
09:05 ๐Ÿ”— werethles Ohhhh
09:05 ๐Ÿ”— werethles Okay.
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— JAA The warrior is more of a "set up and forget"-type of thing, while the scripts offer more control.
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— werethles That seems super easy to automate with chron though
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— werethles Yeah.
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Yeah, it can certainly be done.
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— werethles All righty. I'll just have chron auto re-pull every 24hrs or so
09:07 ๐Ÿ”— werethles Thanks a bunch!
09:07 ๐Ÿ”— JAA You'll want something like `touch STOP && wait <insert PID of the pipeline process> && git pull && run-pipeline pipeline.py ...`.
09:08 ๐Ÿ”— JAA `touch STOP` initiates the stop, but the scripts will finish the current items first, so you need to wait for the process. Then update and restart.
09:09 ๐Ÿ”— werethles Good call!
09:09 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Or you could set something up which first checks for updates and only runs this if there are changes.
09:09 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Something something git fetch && git diff master origin/master
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09:52 ๐Ÿ”— sun_shine Hi. There's a long-running "ex-mormon" forum that will close July located lifeaftermormonism.net . Can someone help point archivebot at it?
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10:35 ๐Ÿ”— JAA The countries around Qatar have demanded (again, I believe) that Al-Jazeera be closed in 10 days: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/arab-states-issue-list-demands-qatar-crisis-170623022133024.html
10:38 ๐Ÿ”— JAA There was an ArchiveBot job a bit over two weeks ago. :-)
10:40 ๐Ÿ”— JAA ... but only for the English version. I'll queue the others.
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11:42 ๐Ÿ”— JAA TIL: the referrer matters in wpull. If you recursively grab https://example.com/a and /b, and /a contains a link to (or in another way adds) /b/foo to the queue, /b/foo will not be retrieved, but if it's added from /b, it will.
11:45 ๐Ÿ”— Sanqui good to know, thanks
11:46 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I'm not sure what happens if both /a and /b link to /b/foo. I assume that whichever discovers the link first will win.
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11:52 ๐Ÿ”— hub.dk sets mode: +o underscor
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12:21 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Haha, I was wondering why my wpull tests were so slow. Turns out, I had a time.sleep(5) in the get_urls hook.
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12:28 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Unless my connection to the tracker died
12:29 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ It looks like the tracker died
12:29 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Imzy is still up
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12:30 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Hmm. There's still a few uploads trickling in, but something is borked
12:31 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ And it's back... That was odd
12:36 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Fhew, For a second there it looked like that was the end of the downloads
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12:42 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Crusher_: That's been happening from time to time at least since yesterday evening (UTC).
12:42 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Huh. Any idea what's going on?
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ A hiccup at imzy or the tracker?
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12:43 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Imzy
12:44 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Maybe it's some sort of routinely run backup that's pushing it over the edge with our scraping
12:44 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I have to say though that I'm a bit surprised they're still online, given how firmly greenie said yesterday that they're probably going to shut down around 00:00 EST (05:00 UTC, 7h 45m ago).
12:46 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ So for anyone actually in that region, 01:00 ;P
12:47 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ But yeah, that is a welcome time extension
12:47 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Right. (He did say EST though.)
12:47 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Just a few more hours is all we need
12:47 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Well, we'll have to requeue lots of items as well.
12:47 ๐Ÿ”— JAA But yeah, I won't complain. :-)
12:48 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ how many items are out right now?
12:48 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Oh wow
12:48 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ That's bad xD
12:48 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Make that more than a few hours
12:48 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I wonder how many of those are mundus's. ;-)
12:49 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ To be fair, I think a good number of them are failing
12:49 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Right before I left, I noticed my logs were returning a good number a dead ones
12:50 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Yeah, I know.
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12:50 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I see about as many fails as successes on my machines.
12:51 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ I wonder if they *are* in the middle of shutting down
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12:51 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Awfully slow shutdown, but possible
12:52 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Or we're overloading their database servers again.
12:52 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Eh, the site is still responding snappily
12:53 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Much of the site is probably cached.
12:53 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ True...
12:53 ๐Ÿ”— timmc you're busting through all the caches though
12:54 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Yeah, obviously
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12:54 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I was trying to say: the site working fine is not a surprise and doesn't contradict the errors we see on the grab.
12:54 ๐Ÿ”— timmc ah, yeah
12:56 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ So what's the difference between the site and our grabs, are we grabbing the raw posts?
12:56 ๐Ÿ”— JAA We're iterating over *all posts*.
12:56 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Ah.
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12:57 ๐Ÿ”— JAA The site will just retrieve a post once, then serve it from cache (until the cache expires), so refreshing will be very fast.
12:58 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Right. Alright, well off to a compsci exam.
12:58 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Good luck!
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13:00 ๐Ÿ”— timmc have fun!
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13:22 ๐Ÿ”— timmc JAA: The shutdown was planned for last night, but it'll happen tonight instead since ArchiveTeam is pretty close.
13:23 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Or, well, that's the plan as I hear it. If the DB goes down or something, it probably won't be brought back up.
13:25 ๐Ÿ”— timmc What is the "out" number on the tracker?
13:27 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Items currently claimed by a worker. This includes items that have failed. Once the todo counter is down to zero, we'll requeue all items which are "out".
13:28 ๐Ÿ”— JAA So yeah, we still have quite a bit to do.
13:28 ๐Ÿ”— timmc interesting, got it
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16:40 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Oh god, I'm about to use a Pentium 4 to backup all my files that are stored on my school's network drive
16:40 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher I should have thought about this one sooner...
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17:03 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Imzy has *at most* 11 hours of life left, but looking at the tracker's graphs, at the fastest rate yet it would still take 15 hours to get everything.
17:03 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Are the URLs shuffled before being distributed to warriors?
17:13 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher What is the port that's taxing their server the most, the sheer number of lookups? Or the actual downloading?
17:13 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Part*
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17:43 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Not entirely sure, but I think it's DB load.
17:43 ๐Ÿ”— timmc I wonder if walking the URLs in chronological order would help. :-P
17:57 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth haha
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— timmc (Presumably that would help with cache/disk locality and whatnot.)
18:11 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Hypothetical, has anyone considered the option of buying the disks off of companies closing down?
18:12 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher Obviously wouldn't work for an aquihire
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18:54 ๐Ÿ”— JAA timmc: Yes, as far as I know, jobs are handed out randomly. And I don't think it's possible to prioritise certain jobs (e.g. do users before posts).
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20:39 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid oh god, i made a 30MB torrent file
20:40 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid at 64mb piece size
20:40 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid not sure i can improve on that :\
20:41 ๐Ÿ”— MrRadar Wow, how much data do you have in there?
20:42 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid ~400GB with 400k files. i guess i should zip some directories to reduce the num of files
20:43 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz haha
20:43 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz I know deluge falls over at a couple of thousand files, i guess rtorrent is your only option at that sort of size
20:43 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid oh it loaded it rtorrent just fine
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20:49 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth yeah, imzy returning 0 now, they hating on us
20:49 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth i'm guessing it's dead, jim
20:50 ๐Ÿ”— RedType has left
20:51 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth nevermind, it's back now, at least returning non-zero status codes on some pages
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20:54 ๐Ÿ”— nyany site is slow Kalroth
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20:55 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth yeah, i'm guessing they're preparing to flip the switch
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20:56 ๐Ÿ”— JAA I doubt anything changed since a few hours ago, see the discussion around 13:00 UTC.
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20:59 ๐Ÿ”— nyany {"message": "Uh oh, something went wrong! Sorry about that. We've been alerted and will be on it shortly", "errors": []}
20:59 ๐Ÿ”— nyany that's what I'm seeing
20:59 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Kalroth: If anything is happening, it's weffey restarting things to bring them *back* to life. :-)
21:00 ๐Ÿ”— timmc The site going read-only was, as far as I know, the only preparation for site-death.
21:00 ๐Ÿ”— nyany I've got all the hardware I can to give it one good push
21:01 ๐Ÿ”— nyany Looks like things are slowly coming back to life
21:01 ๐Ÿ”— timmc My understanding is that the main limit right now is the SQL connection or the DB engine or something close to that.
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21:02 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth timmc: alright, sounds good
21:02 ๐Ÿ”— Kalroth (not that you're having issues, but that it isn't shutting down just yet :)
21:08 ๐Ÿ”— timmc Haha, I just learned that Zork made a series of scheduled posts before the site went read-only, so they've been popping up periodically since then. :-D
21:09 ๐Ÿ”— timmc they're all about ghosts and goodbyes and whatnot
21:11 ๐Ÿ”— nyany i think my new favorite number
21:11 ๐Ÿ”— nyany is 500
21:12 ๐Ÿ”— xmc i like 16384
21:12 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid are >4GB zip files ok nowadays?
21:13 ๐Ÿ”— nyany xmc: Ah, see ya like it large mate\
21:13 ๐Ÿ”— nyany lol
21:19 ๐Ÿ”— Soni I prefer 2520
21:20 ๐Ÿ”— MrRadar schbirid: Generally yeah, unless you need to deal with Windows XP-era systems
21:20 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid yay
21:21 ๐Ÿ”— MrRadar LOL, apparently Android didn't add native Zip64 support to their Java runtime until 6.0. WTF Google
21:22 ๐Ÿ”— nyany GGG
21:22 ๐Ÿ”— MrRadar (Granted, many android phones don't have more than 4 GB of free space on their internal storage...)
21:33 ๐Ÿ”— JAA And according to Wikipedia (but without specifying a source), OS X Yosemite can create ZIP64 archives but not extract them, at least through the GUI.
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21:38 ๐Ÿ”— greenie 20:59 < timmc> Kal.roth: If anything is happening, it's weffey restarting things to bring them *back* to life. :-) <- weffey left on her roadtrip about 3 & 1/2 hours ago, I'm not sure will be at a computer for another 4 hours or so. I think those alert emails are actually turned off now
21:41 ๐Ÿ”— greenie and yeah the site is super slow right now. if they werent in the process of shutting down, would be measures to take but yeah, are fairly limited options right now.
21:52 ๐Ÿ”— timmc greenie: Ah, so it's just the site recovering from hiccups on its own?
21:52 ๐Ÿ”— greenie I don't know, I'm sorry. I don't have access anymore to the stuff that alerts me and tells me why-ish its fussy
21:54 ๐Ÿ”— timmc *nod*
21:54 ๐Ÿ”— timmc sounds like AT is on their own to figure out appropriate load, though
21:56 ๐Ÿ”— greenie likely, yeah.
21:57 ๐Ÿ”— JAA So I'm about to archive the Tilt API data. Some of that data is also used when you access the website and click on certain things or scroll to the bottom, and it involves pagination. In some cases, it just appends ?page=2 etc. to the URL, in others it also includes the number of results per page (?page=2&rows=50). The former is much easier to set up, obviously. Should I try to go for maximum playback c
21:57 ๐Ÿ”— JAA ompatibility or take the easy route?
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22:00 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ BS! :D
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ anywhay
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— * pie__ pokes joepie91
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 pie__: "I think Gog stores the old versions for compatibility reasons but they don't keep the old installers public. You could try asking support if they can provide you a dowload link for whatever version you want to play."
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 ref https://www.gog.com/forum/terraria/i_want_to_get_the_old_version_of_terraria
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— * pie__ scratches head
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ you think theyd give me all 20 previous versions? :P
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 lol
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 you could ask
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ I could, I don't think they would though...wonder if the game devs would oblige? xD
22:03 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh hey https://www.reddit.com/r/CrossCode/comments/36d1fq/anyone_interested_in_the_old_demo_versions/
22:03 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ now how to i talk to this guy
22:04 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ thats two years old, i hope he still has them
22:06 ๐Ÿ”— Soni can we archive MC servers? I'd love to find beta 1.7_03 server and stuff
22:06 ๐Ÿ”— Soni bukkit or vanilla, but preferably vanilla
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ you mean the server program?
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— Soni the minecraft_server.jar
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ isnt bukkit open source? so you can just get whichever of that
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— Soni bukkit is dead, all the files are gone
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— Soni no beta 1.7_03
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ on the other hand iirc you can directly download old mc versions from whatever the name of the company was that does minecraft?
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh shit, really?
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— Soni I had it. once.
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— Soni but then my HDD died
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ damn.
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— Soni not server versions, only client versions
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh. that doesnt make sense though
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ because you need the client and server to have compatible versions?
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— Soni you can play singleplayer
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ im just guessing but the server cores should be the same since the client version can also start servers? not that that helps you.
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— Soni not pre-1.3
22:10 ๐Ÿ”— Soni release 1.3
22:11 ๐Ÿ”— Soni http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/1.3.1
22:11 ๐Ÿ”— Soni look for "Made singleplayer internally use a multiplayer server."
22:11 ๐Ÿ”— Soni before that, client and server were separate beasts
22:12 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ wow is it just me or did crosscode get more expensive? good game tho >.>
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22:14 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/ <- i forsee a very very short future for betaarchive now :(
22:14 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh do we have a mirror of that?
22:14 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i mean, not this stuff
22:14 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh but betaarchive in general
22:16 ๐Ÿ”— JAA "not *just* this stuff" FTFY
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22:17 ๐Ÿ”— JAA But yes, we should definitely grab a copy.
22:17 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ archiveteam hug of death
22:18 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ "The leaked code is Microsoft's Shared Source Kit: according to people who have seen its contents, it includes the source to the base Windows 10 hardware drivers plus Redmond's PnP code, its USB and Wi-Fi stacks, its storage drivers, and ARM-specific OneCore kernel code." welllllll thats not what id have thought most interesting but what do i know
22:18 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/22/two_men_arrested_probe_microsoft_networks_hack/ might be related
22:19 ๐Ÿ”— JAA There are a few things on IA, but no "full" mirror as far as I can see, unless it's disguised somehow.
22:19 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh it might be blacked out
22:19 ๐Ÿ”— JAA True
22:20 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ i would be very interested in that leak but sheesh who has 8tb lying around? >.>
22:24 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i know someone named "kazblox"? (not sure of nick) maybe was involved at betaarchive, so if we can get in contact with him maybe we can arrange a mirror
22:24 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 Lord_Nigh: please do
22:25 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh wow, whoever it was deleted their github user profile completely
22:25 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh kazblox at least
22:25 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ apparently this is a thing:
22:26 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/611h5e/guide_how_to_download_older_versions_of_a_game_on/?st=j4af9vw3&sh=8e9d5630 https://steamdb.info/app/368340/history/
22:27 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh wait, WHAT? you can DO THAT?
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ in which case i may ask a favor of someone trying to do that for me for crosscode because i dont have a steam or anything....its a good game, worth the money :PPPP
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ of course that depends on the person
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh wow, and you can even get the versions of the gta games before they had to remove the copyrighted music because licenses expired
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i gather this hole will be patched very quickly
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ lol
22:29 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh if it hasn't already
22:32 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver Anyone here has the windows 10 leaks?
22:32 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh iirc the first version of owlboy at least on gog had a debugger .pdb file in it (its an xna .net game anyway so you can decompile it without that, but that makes it way easier)
22:32 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh not sure if the first steam version had it or not
22:32 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ im not actually sure how to interpret this steamdb stuff
22:33 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ cant tell how many versions of CC it has
22:33 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh pie__: it lets you download all old versions of a game assuming you have the valid release id for that version
22:33 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh kinda like how with picroma's cube world you can grab old versions off the update server if you have a valid GUID for it
22:34 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i fed ALL that stuff into archivebot over a year ago though
22:34 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh at least the guids i could find
22:34 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh thats cute re cube world
22:34 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ * re:
22:35 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh assuming valve doesn't patch this this means i can probably delete 400GB+ of 'old versions of steam games' i have archievd locally
22:35 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ > assuming <
22:35 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ >> archiveteam <<
22:35 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ >>> delete <<<
22:35 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ :P
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22:36 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh if you want me to upload all that shit somewhere, gimme a server... actually its probably easier to send a harddrive via snail mail
22:36 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh or a usb flash drive or 5
22:37 ๐Ÿ”— * timmc attaches a 2 TB spinning rust drive to a pigeon
22:37 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ yeah if i had $$ lol
22:37 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ im just joking, im not equipped for any serious librarian stuff :P
22:38 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh timmc: that won't work, but if you put it in a basket and tie it to about 3 dozen pigeons...
22:38 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ maybe timmc has russian pigeons
22:38 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh problem is packet loss from pigeon predation
22:38 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging I'd build another NAS just to store that juicy windows leak
22:39 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging maybe a tape drive would be cheaper at that point, not sure
22:39 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-music-download-soundtracks/ is more exploiting of download_depot steam console command
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh this exploit btw doens't let you download games you don't own
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i don't think
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh it only lets you download old versions with known ids of games
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging I wish mainstream software publishers cared more about providing historic versions
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging s/mainstream/consumer/
22:40 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh hmm. i wonder if i can get the no man's sky steam prototype, the one from july 2016...
22:41 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh ... i would try it, but if theres one thing i definitely do not want to do is get my steam account with like $2000 in games banned...
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22:44 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Hope I didn't miss anything good in the last couple hours
22:44 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Just a juicy Microsoft leak.
22:44 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Which we haven't obtained (yet).
22:44 ๐Ÿ”— JAA https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/
22:46 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ Assuming we are grabbing an archive of that, you want another connection on that?
22:47 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging It's limited access, we can't just yet
22:47 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh https://steamdb.info/app/275850/ and https://steamdb.info/depot/275851/manifests/ <- the 20170317 version has about 300mb of unknown data that was dropped in the next version
22:48 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh also the earliest versions of starbound on steam have full debugging symbol information compiled in
22:48 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh so theres a ton of "cool stuff" to be found using this download_depot trick
22:48 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Interestingly enough, the relevant forum post on their forums doesn't list the Shared Source Kit anymore: https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=422843#p422843
22:48 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh damage control
22:49 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh oh, and the VERY FIRST VERSION of skyrim on steam doesn't even have steam integration DRM compiled in AT ALL
22:49 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh its drm free completely by accident
22:49 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging ooooooh
22:49 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, please gentleman do your stuff
22:49 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ quietly.
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i'm actually not touching this stuff personally
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh since i don't want my personal steam account to get banned
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh just pointing stuff out
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh right. :I
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ is there a policy against downloading older things?
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— Crusher_ I'm not touching games with a 10 ft pole
22:50 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i don't think so?
22:51 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ soooo is this like "hacking" or something?
22:51 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ why would you get banned for this
22:51 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i think steam actually does it automatically if you have updates disabled, have an old version installed and do the 'verify local files' command
22:51 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh it probably downloads the depot
22:51 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh or at least a set of hashes for all the files
22:52 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, any idea what this dev package thing means?: https://steamdb.info/sub/66910/ (from https://steamdb.info/depot/368341/subs/)
22:52 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Interesting discussion thread about that leak: https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=37282
22:52 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh no idea about dev package
22:52 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ what i mean to say is i dont really see through the architecture of this at all
22:53 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh pie__: it probably won't install unless you have a "license" to it on your account, it probably won't download the depot
22:53 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ no idea how depos and packages and manifests relate
22:53 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, yeah thats what i figured
22:53 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i think when you do a download_depot appid depotid manifestid command it checks on valves servers to see if you've "bought" that product first, and if you did then it lets you download it
22:53 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ it wouldnt really make sense otherwise
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh its possible it will download it anyway and then try to decrypt it and give a "license error"
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ is download_depot part of the steam binaries?
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh yes
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh >steam console
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ i just cant read
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh go to the url field in steam
22:54 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh and you can launch the console from there
22:55 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz looping back to the MS leak - it's 32TB or so
22:55 ๐Ÿ”— * Kaz pokes odemg
22:56 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Kaz, didnt the article say its 8tb compresseD?
22:56 ๐Ÿ”— timmc If you can even confirm it exists. :-)
22:56 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz ah yeah..
22:57 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz well, I don't even have 8tb free atm :(
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Kaz: See the links to the Beta Archive forums I posted above.
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, to be fair it doesnt look to me like this method is going to get blocked
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh er, you can't normally get to the steam url field, but in the system browser open steam://open/console and steam will use that
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh pie__: i agree
22:58 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, also just noticed i didnt rad half of what you said, might have been bad internet lag
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ *erad
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ *read :I
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh this probably won't be blocked, though companies could in theory decide to force-take-down certain manifests
22:59 ๐Ÿ”— Kaz looks disappointing
23:00 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh steam has a way of revoking manifests, i.e. i think that's what happened here: https://www.windowscentral.com/forza-horizon-3-developer-pc-build-accidentally-released-public
23:00 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ now the question is if theres a properly automated download_depot script somewhere that doesnt require screwing around in guis all over the place
23:00 ๐Ÿ”— JAA Well, it's still very interesting. But yeah, not "32 TB" interesting.
23:00 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh. this is a thing. http://crosscode.gamepedia.com/Steam_depots
23:01 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh er, wait, that was an xbox one leak, not steam related at all
23:02 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ yeah this method seems to have been around for at least two years
23:04 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ wonder if theres any way to get those protected manifest IDs :/ but obviously there shouldnt be.
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 starting to look like el reg dun been trolled?
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh yeah, dunno
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh the no man's sky experimental branch has a known password: "3xperimental" iirc
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh a bunch of other games have known passwords for beta/other branches
23:09 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ what do you mean?
23:11 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ "this branch requires a password"
23:11 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ whatever that means. (shown in steamdb)
23:12 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/61048732#p61049660
23:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 cc Lord_Nigh
23:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 this looks like a panic baletion?
23:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 baleetion*
23:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I'm guessing that it drew too much attention
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23:20 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh sometimes private beta passwords for steam stuff leak or people figure them out by trial and error: https://steamcommunity.com/app/40800/discussions/0/133261124636030329/
23:21 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ where does it ask you for the password?
23:21 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh right click on super meat boy in your library and go to properties
23:21 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh go to the 'betas' tab
23:21 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh.
23:22 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ i am literally just now installing steam (but ive seen it before a bit)
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23:30 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ Lord_Nigh, is it feasible that i write a python script that watches the download dir, copies the stuff out when dl-ing is finished and then i manually enter the next manifest, ad infinitum? :/
23:31 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh yes
23:31 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh it might be possible to do wit with an autohotkey script too
23:31 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ im on linux
23:31 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh for moving cursor and selecting fields
23:31 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh ah
23:32 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ this is going to be annoying
23:32 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ well linux has xdotool
23:32 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ man i dont want to code this right now lol
23:33 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ alternatively, this appears to be a thing >.> https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader
23:33 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh except its for windows only :I
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23:33 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ might run under wine...
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23:39 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ inb4 account stolen
23:40 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ (with nothing on it)
23:41 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ and of course i hit a bug https://github.com/SteamRE/DepotDownloader/issues/16
23:42 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh want a killing floor key?
23:42 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh humble was giving them out
23:42 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh and it expires july 10, i already own it
23:42 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging oh hey it's on linux too
23:42 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging too bad I don't really play multiplayer games
23:43 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh pie__: want it?
23:44 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ i probably dont have the specs lmao
23:44 ๐Ÿ”— * pie__ checks YT vid
23:45 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ ok fine i might have specs fro half-life level stuff
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23:45 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging is it Source Engine?
23:45 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ no clue
23:45 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ im sooo bad at FPSs xD
23:45 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh better to have someone use the free key than have it expire by itself in 2 weeks
23:46 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ this seems like a mildly terrible game haha
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23:50 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ eh, thanks but i think ill pass.
23:54 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh if you didn't use the key, can i give it to someone else?
23:55 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ yeah
23:55 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ appreciate the gesture though :P
23:56 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh Frogging: do you want it?
23:56 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging Nah, not my kind of game. but thans
23:56 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging thanks
23:56 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ any idea where steam saves this stuff
23:57 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging someone in #steamlug on freenode might but most probably have it already :p
23:57 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh on windows its in program files x86/steam/steamapps/etc
23:59 ๐Ÿ”— pie__ oh hey steam accepts bitcoin

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