#archiveteam-bs 2017-09-14,Thu

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00:29 🔗 Lagittaja I've been running the Hyper-V warrior for a while now Soulflare, working great
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02:27 🔗 Soulflare oh boy Xfire was archived, I had thought it was lost
02:38 🔗 hook54321 I thought we grabbed all of geocities awhile ago o_O
02:38 🔗 astrid by no means all!
02:39 🔗 astrid we ran out of time, and we werent' very organized
02:39 🔗 astrid remember, geocities was our very first project
02:41 🔗 ndiddy one of the stranger things about geocities was that users who were subscribed to geocities plus at the time of the shutdown had their sites up for a few more years
02:42 🔗 Soulflare Was it maybe a separate cluster of servers? Seems odd
02:42 🔗 ndiddy hell, the geocities clipart directory is still up
02:42 🔗 ndiddy ex: http://www.geocities.com/clipart/pbi/backgrounds/Template_Pages/personalb.gif
02:44 🔗 Soulflare Is it a redirect unless exact path is found?
02:45 🔗 ndiddy yeah, used to be a directory listing before yahoo screwed around with their webhosting division
02:45 🔗 Soulflare That's a pain :/
02:45 🔗 ndiddy look at that, some guy's geocities page is still up http://us.1.p.geocities.com/@bei-tech.com/investor/corp_gov_compensation.htm
02:48 🔗 ndiddy the clear 10x10 g
02:48 🔗 ndiddy if that yahoo pagebuilder used is also still up http://www.geocities.com/clipart/pbi/c.gif
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02:56 🔗 hook54321 lol
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03:05 🔗 hook54321 I don't think this is a geocities site... http://us.1.p.geocities.com/@/
03:10 🔗 ndiddy i'd guess they use yahoo business hosting
03:12 🔗 hook54321 sets mode: +o Asparagir
03:20 🔗 xarph geocities might be like pre-internet aol where the servers are still running and the sysadmins have turned over so many times there's literally no one who knows where these servers are or how they work
03:32 🔗 SketchCow Ahem.
03:33 🔗 SketchCow There are a couple Geocities sites still up
03:33 🔗 SketchCow The reason for this is that they paid to subscribe to a certain other Yahoo! web hosting service, so it keeps the sites up in both domains
03:43 🔗 hook54321 I just discovered that you can run VirtualBox headless
03:52 🔗 MrRadar I haven't seen it mentioned here, but SketchCow recently started a Patreon for a weekly podcast: https://www.patreon.com/textfiles
04:41 🔗 hook54321 I'm not sure how likely this is, but we should ask a service like https://whois.domaintools.com/ if they would be willing to donate free access to us. They have reverse whois, historical whois, etc.
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07:15 🔗 hook54321 I got a reply from the imgh.us guy
07:15 🔗 hook54321 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Qx4iJWyw/
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07:54 🔗 ranma xarph: cue bash.org quote?
07:54 🔗 ranma well, nearly
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07:57 🔗 ranma hook54321: looks like if you knew it before nov 2016, you're thinking about something else
07:57 🔗 ranma re: apollo
07:57 🔗 hook54321 what do you mean?
07:58 🔗 hook54321 oh
07:58 🔗 ranma that's when it change from xanax to apollo
07:58 🔗 ranma or there was/is overlap
07:58 🔗 hook54321 I remember it being called xanax.
07:58 🔗 hook54321 I don't think my account works anymore unfortunately though, I stopped using it for awhile.
07:58 🔗 ranma ah. i only migrated when good ole what went down :/
07:59 🔗 hook54321 I think I may have joined right after they changed their name to apollo
07:59 🔗 ranma i'm sure they'll reactivate you (unless you cheated or something or had terrible ratio)... big competition between them and RED
08:00 🔗 hook54321 Not sure how to ask them to reactivate me, also not sure what RED is.
08:00 🔗 ranma redacted
08:00 🔗 hook54321 ah. another torrent tracker?
08:00 🔗 ranma music-focused
08:01 🔗 hook54321 Apollo is music focused as well, right?
08:01 🔗 hook54321 JAA: See the response I got from the owner of imgh.us above.
08:03 🔗 ranma yep @ APL
08:09 🔗 JAA hook54321: Nice. I see that the imgh.us domain itself is back as well. Let's get him to send you the list and throw it into ArchiveBot.
08:09 🔗 JAA 2M images shouldn't take too long anyway.
08:11 🔗 JAA We can worry about the redirect to the archived version later. That shouldn't be hard, it's basically just 'redirect http://imgh.us/X to https://web.archive.org/web/date/http://imgh.us/X'. I think someone (jrwr?) set up something similar for Eroshare recently.
08:18 🔗 hook54321 It's only 699,927 images
08:25 🔗 hook54321 I'm hoping I don't get caught by his spam filter again.
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09:10 🔗 JAA Ah right, confused it with the number of URLs at x.vu.
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12:23 🔗 Lagittaja so, here's a question (I'm not looking for a guide, I can figure this stuff out), how "difficult" is it to use the manual scripts instead of the warrior if I use my own debian install. is it just a matter of installing the dependencies, starting the script and let it rip? does it need a lot of micromanaging?
12:25 🔗 joepie91_ Lagittaja: nope; it's pretty much run-and-forget other than needing to terminate/git-pull/restart for updates
12:25 🔗 joepie91_ also there's no automatic project switching when using manual scripts
12:25 🔗 joepie91_ so if you want to switch projects, you need to clone and run the new scripts yourself
12:26 🔗 Lagittaja alrighty then, pretty much what I expected. thank you joepie91_
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13:12 🔗 hook54321 I keep on getting temp banned from bitly
13:13 🔗 hook54321 Doesn't last for very long though, it's kinda weird.
13:14 🔗 Soulflare I was not aware bitly would even do that
13:14 🔗 Kalroth that's normal for me too
13:14 🔗 Kalroth but i run a warrior with 6 connections
13:14 🔗 hook54321 I am too, but I hardly ever have 6 jobs at once.
13:15 🔗 hook54321 When I'm banned it says:
13:15 🔗 hook54321 Forbidden
13:15 🔗 hook54321 Uh oh, Bitly can't show you the page you are trying to access.
13:22 🔗 refeed hmmm, btw can warrior handle thing like cloudflare ddos protection?
13:24 🔗 joepie91_ not currently
13:24 🔗 joepie91_ patches very welcome :)
13:24 🔗 joepie91_ @ refeed
13:25 🔗 joepie91_ specifically, this would need to be ported to Python: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/c5949279cd52ce5cb646d7bd03c3ea36 (assuming their algo hasn't changed in the meantime)
13:27 🔗 refeed euhm, that's javascript :/ , I still wonder how cloudflare javascript IUA challange works
13:27 🔗 refeed btw there's a python library that can be used for that
13:27 🔗 refeed https://github.com/Anorov/cloudflare-scrape
13:28 🔗 JAA Yes, but it relies on NodeJS.
13:28 🔗 JAA I've used it before, and I thought about implementing something in pure-Python instead.
13:28 🔗 JAA Nice code joepie91_, I might play around with porting that at some point.
13:30 🔗 JAA And no, I don't think anything has changed.
13:30 🔗 joepie91_ refeed: hence 'porting to Pythoin' :)
13:30 🔗 joepie91_ Pythoin *
13:30 🔗 joepie91_ there are afaik currently no Python implementations of that
13:31 🔗 joepie91_ they all just shell out to phantomjs or equivalent which is a terrible solution
13:31 🔗 JAA Yep, although it is probably more robust if CF decides to make subtle changes to the challenge.
13:31 🔗 joepie91_ the code I linked is an implementation that operates directly on the page source without needing an additional JS runtime, so could be ported directly to Python
13:31 🔗 joepie91_ JAA: sure, but at that point you can also just hard-fail
13:31 🔗 joepie91_ and fix the code
13:31 🔗 JAA Indeed
13:31 🔗 joepie91_ detecting cloudflare interstitials is much easier than breaking them :P
13:44 🔗 refeed okay, I didn't look to it deeper
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15:18 🔗 joepie91_ refeed: btw, the cloudflare-scrape library you linked is particularly dangerous, because it executes arbitrary JS in Node (which has access to things like the filesystem, process API, etc.)
15:19 🔗 joepie91_ refeed: (their idea that it is now 'secure' because they're using Object.create(null) is wrong, btw)
15:27 🔗 refeed wew, okay, thanks for the heads-up, I just read the warning in its readme, I thought it was already secured, apparently not
15:33 🔗 refeed btw, currently I just use it to overcome with archive.is cloudflare challange, I'm pretty sure they (cloudflare and archive.is) will not doing evil things
15:33 🔗 JAA archive.is has a CF challenge?
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15:34 🔗 refeed JAA: yes
15:34 🔗 JAA refeed: Example? I've never seen one...
15:37 🔗 refeed JAA: well, you can see it by yourself by running `$ curl -X GET "https://archive.is"`, or by visiting archive.is in your browser's incognito mode
15:39 🔗 * refeed is taking a screenshot
15:41 🔗 refeed https://imgur.com/a/g1Dsq
16:08 🔗 JAA refeed: That must be geo-limited or something then. I can access archive.is directly, including with curl or in a private window.
16:10 🔗 JAA Interestingly, I get redirected to archive.fo in Firefox but not with curl.
16:14 🔗 refeed JAA: well, that's interesting
16:16 🔗 refeed accessing archive.fo in my place also still receives a cloudflare challange, but now with no https :/
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16:31 🔗 godane so we may want to faraday cage the IA and its backups: http://worldif.economist.com/article/13526/electromagnetic-shock
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16:34 🔗 mls Hm, visiting archive.is in Pale Moon incognito doesn't trigger anything (with and without addons)
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17:08 🔗 joepie91_ there's a pretty widespread belief that the `vm` module in Node provides secure sandboxing, but it really really does not and never will
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17:43 🔗 kim__ Does anyone know if I as a user on reddit.com can setup a filter, and filter out all the bots, maby whitelist some of the bots, but aargh, the bots piss me off, and THAT pisses me off, because thats the botcreators whole idea.
17:43 🔗 kim__ <-- new on reddit
17:46 🔗 rocode Using RES, yes.
17:46 🔗 rocode kim__, https://redditenhancementsuite.com/
17:48 🔗 kim__ thankyou - will look into this :D
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18:25 🔗 JAA What do you mean by "categorising data"?
18:25 🔗 second Is there a good tool to categorize data?
18:26 🔗 rocode Like, apply meta data?
18:26 🔗 second yes
18:26 🔗 rocode Automatically or manually?
18:26 🔗 second and then join them all together
18:26 🔗 second both
18:26 🔗 rocode For upload to IA, or just to the files in general?
18:26 🔗 second such that going to a page for a game would also mention related movies and other articles on the subject
18:26 🔗 second Both, mainly local though
18:27 🔗 second the archive is nice but its a bit lacking in joining data together
18:31 🔗 rocode Well, IA wise, you can mass edit metadata at upload time or after via the IA CLi tool, https://internetarchive.readthedocs.io/en/latest/. As for locally, the only one I have ever really played around with is GNOME Tracker, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracker_(search_software)
18:39 🔗 JAA I like to keep it simple and use directories and symlinks (or hardlinks, depending on the circumstances). Every single software can handle that, unlike xattrs or separate metadata files.
18:46 🔗 odemg godane, see news at MySpleen... fuck me!! https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/emd/d/trip-down-analog-lane-27/6283808412.html
18:47 🔗 odemg Number of tapes: approx. 23-24,000 (consists primarily of 6 & 8 hr Sony and TDK tapes).
18:52 🔗 godane IA may need to email that guy to see if they can get a few of the tapes
18:52 🔗 odemg All of them.
19:00 🔗 second Is there anyway to download warcs from the IA?
19:01 🔗 godane since it has news on alot of tapes i think IA would take it
19:02 🔗 JAA second: Depends. IA's own crawls and anything saved through web.archive.org/save/... isn't available. Our WARCs are.
19:03 🔗 godane odemg: if anyone is willing to send me tapes i will digitize them
19:03 🔗 JAA (Those are just some examples. There are many more "types" of files on IA, e.g. those from the commercial (?) service Archive-It.)
19:06 🔗 odemg godane, make sure the right people at ia know, I'd rather see them deal with this than myspleen
19:10 🔗 second How do I check how a website was archived?
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19:11 🔗 JAA second: In the Wayback Machine, you mean? Click on "About this capture" in the top right. It doesn't help you with finding the actual IA item (where you might be able to download the WARCs) though.
19:17 🔗 Selavi re: craiglist VHS hoard. I'm a 40 minute drive away, but transporting would be a bit of an issue for me, and I would have to rent a storage unit
19:27 🔗 Asparagir I know there is at least one other frequent ArchiveTeam member who lives near there too, but I don't want to out him here without his consent. But maybe he could help you with loading this stuff into a truck, if we can find someone to provide and drive the truck.
19:28 🔗 Asparagir I am going to cross-post the link to the Internet Archive Slack channel; maybe someone there will have an idea. And yes, the IA owns a truck.
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19:32 🔗 odemg Can we just stop and grasp... this guy has been recording tapes since 1986... and filled 24,000 tapes!!
19:33 🔗 zino He deserves some kind of medal.
19:33 🔗 odemg Given his lowest conservative estimates that's 15 years of constant play video content
19:35 🔗 zino Are there digitization machines for VHS that can run the tape faster than real time?
19:35 🔗 zino A normal VHS player loses tracking as soon as you go faster than 1x.
19:37 🔗 MrRadar Yeah, a better solution would probably just be to buy as many decks as possible and run them in parallel
19:37 🔗 MrRadar Especially since they're relatively available and cheap right now
19:38 🔗 Asparagir This seems kind of like the Marion Marguerite Stokes collection, although fewer tapes. This guy ran twelve VCR's in Oregon for twenty-seven years, while Stokes ran eight VCR's in Philadelphia for thirty-five years.
19:38 🔗 Asparagir Stokes' tapes are now at the Internet Archive!
19:38 🔗 Asparagir I just posted about all this in the Slack channel. I hope they come back to us soon.
19:38 🔗 Asparagir SketchCow: this is something you need to see ^
19:39 🔗 zino Asparagir, has IA documented what method they used for digitizing somewhere?
19:40 🔗 zino I have who moving boxes with VHS I should digitize and throw away sooner rather than later.
19:40 🔗 Asparagir Dunno. I don't work there, I just drop by their main building a lot because I use their WiFi to upload big files to them.
19:40 🔗 zino s/who/two/
19:40 🔗 Asparagir 100 GB/s upload speeds. It is glorious.
19:40 🔗 Asparagir Or was that MB/s.
19:40 🔗 Asparagir Anyway, something insanely fast, and free.
19:41 🔗 zino Oh, too bad, I was going to ask what sorcery wifi you have over therte in the US. :)
19:41 🔗 Asparagir Hahaha
19:41 🔗 MrRadar Speaking of, does anyone have a good suggestion for a USB analog video capture device that plays nice with Linux?
19:41 🔗 MrRadar (NTSC if that matters)
19:43 🔗 zino MrRadar, not a recommendation, but these seem commonly used on Linux: https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Easycap
19:43 🔗 zino And they are cheap. I bought 6 diffrent variant of them this spring, but I haven't had time to test them yet.
19:44 🔗 MrRadar Thanks, I'll check them out
19:45 🔗 hook54321 Where's the Craigslist link?
19:45 🔗 hook54321 nvm
19:47 🔗 hook54321 oh gosh. free of charge? has someone contacted him?
19:48 🔗 hook54321 We need to make sure someone doesn't snatch it
19:49 🔗 Asparagir I know, right?
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19:49 🔗 Asparagir But we can't contact him unless we have a definite plan for pick-up, load-in, destination (presumably the IA), and digitization.
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19:50 🔗 Asparagir Not fair to take the tapes without having a solid backing from the IA, or another institution.
19:50 🔗 joepie91_ I smell an archive corps project coming up
19:51 🔗 Asparagir Me too. But we don't have our 501(c)3 designation yet. So it would probably be Fearless Leader asking for help from the public directly. And the IA has to sign off on being the home of the data.
19:51 🔗 hook54321 How much man work is involved in archiving this? For the past few days I've been thinking about having the robotics team that's at my old high school collect old software CDs and do the whole archiving process on them, but this could work too.
19:52 🔗 hook54321 Also, I'm close to this place
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19:53 🔗 hook54321 Did someone in slack respond yet?
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19:55 🔗 hook54321 I'm going to notify them and ask if they would be willing to help.
19:58 🔗 hook54321 About how much space would this take up?
19:59 🔗 odemg hook54321, Asparagir Problem being MySpleen has this post in their news second, hopefully the guy doesn't had off to them before ia/at get their ass into gear and convince him the tapes are best off at ia
19:59 🔗 odemg second* (for 16 hours now)
20:00 🔗 hook54321 huh?
20:02 🔗 hook54321 I sent a message to Jason on twitter
20:03 🔗 Asparagir odemg: Is there a link to the MySpleen post? I'm not a member of that tracker...
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20:04 🔗 odemg Asparagir, https://i.imgur.com/nX4LEzD.png
20:04 🔗 DFJustin seems like a job for archive corps
20:05 🔗 odemg Yup, he want's the whole lot take as a collection, not to have it parted out
20:05 🔗 hook54321 What's MySpleen?
20:05 🔗 Asparagir odemg: Thanks.
20:05 🔗 hook54321 We need to contact this guy asap.
20:05 🔗 odemg hook54321, private tracker that has content much like this
20:05 🔗 hook54321 ah
20:06 🔗 odemg godane, this reminds me I need to give the other tape guy a nudge...
20:07 🔗 Asparagir We can't contact him without there being buy-in from an archive or institution first. Unless someone here has a boatload of money and we can hire our own truck, hire a storage unit, and pay people's salaries to do digitization/uploading/metadata on this, which could take a year or more.
20:08 🔗 hook54321 We could get volunteers.
20:09 🔗 hook54321 How many car loads would it take to transport them somewhere?
20:09 🔗 Asparagir For the load-in part, volunteers would be great. That's not so hard. But we then need to store the tapes, and work on systematically getting them turned into data. That's harder, and expensive. Remember how SketchCow was stuck with paying the fees on the storage unit for all the catalogs he rescued with ArchiveCorps, hundreds of dollars each month.
20:13 🔗 hook54321 We could crowdfund it through something like GoFundMe.
20:14 🔗 astrid IA took delivery of a truckload of videotapes a while ago iirc
20:15 🔗 hook54321 Where were the tapes located though?
20:17 🔗 hook54321 Jason responded to my message on Twitter.
20:17 🔗 hook54321 He said "That is not a life well spent"
20:19 🔗 Selavi ouch
20:23 🔗 hook54321 https://blog.archive.org/2013/11/22/a-dream-to-preserve-tv-news-on-the-road-to-realization-with-your-help/
20:23 🔗 hook54321 "140,000 video cassettes"
20:23 🔗 hook54321 I think there's a good chance they'll accept it
20:25 🔗 godane i think it was figured out to be 40k tapes not 140k
20:25 🔗 Asparagir SketchCow responded in the Slack channel and said he would get into it more when he gets home (from wherever he is right now). But he did tag the head of the Internet Archive (Brewster Kahle) into the conversation, so eyes are on the project.
20:26 🔗 godane can anyone post the internet archive slack channel here?
20:27 🔗 hook54321 ^
20:27 🔗 hook54321 You have to have a archive.org email address, unless someone sends you an invite.
20:27 🔗 Asparagir It's internetarchive.slack.com -- but you need someone who works at the Archive to invite you to it. I don't work there.
20:27 🔗 godane ok
20:27 🔗 Asparagir And there is only one channel open to non-employees like us.
20:28 🔗 hook54321 Apparently all the vhs tapes would take up 4800sqft
20:28 🔗 Asparagir Ask SketchCow for invites, or maybe try the #internetarchive IRC channel, although people are rarely in there.
20:33 🔗 hook54321 If this person took the time to record all of these, I would think that they would be glad to see it go to somewhere like the Internet Archive, if they haven't already given it away.
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20:33 🔗 Selavi agreed
20:35 🔗 hook54321 I think if we contacted this guy and said that we're just trying to figure out the details, and we talk about the historical significance of them some, what IA plans to do with them, etc., then he might give it to us instead of someone else if they are still in his possession.
20:43 🔗 Asparagir SketchCow is writing back to the Slack channel right now -- he just got off a 30 minute phone call with the guy!
20:43 🔗 Asparagir quotes:
20:44 🔗 Asparagir WELL I JUST TALKED TO DON FOR 30 MINUTES, THANKS BROOKE
20:44 🔗 Asparagir There are several people who want this, to digitize
20:44 🔗 Asparagir He wants to give the tapes away
20:44 🔗 Asparagir He actually kept mentioning Marion stokes
20:44 🔗 Asparagir So he was impressed we were those people
20:44 🔗 Asparagir I'm mail him, he's going to make us all meet each other
20:44 🔗 Asparagir ...
20:44 🔗 Asparagir So...that sounds promising!
20:47 🔗 Selavi nice!
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20:49 🔗 mundus sweet :D
20:54 🔗 hook54321 Awesome! Are we supposed to meet each other in person, or?
21:33 🔗 Asparagir Well, there has been talk of having an ArchiveTeamCo one of these days...
21:33 🔗 Asparagir *ArchiveTeamCon
21:49 🔗 DFJustin hmm "It would probably be good to settle the main details by September 1st, so a possible January event could take place." http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Archive_Team_CONspiracy
21:52 🔗 SketchCow Yeah
21:52 🔗 SketchCow I got a little busy
21:52 🔗 SketchCow And people weren't stepping up
21:52 🔗 SketchCow If it gets shifted forward, it's forward
21:52 🔗 SketchCow Maybe Valentine's Day
21:52 🔗 SketchCow Archive Team Conspiracy: The Valentine's Day Massacre
21:53 🔗 joepie91_ that sounds exactly the right amount of sketchy
21:56 🔗 DFJustin I look forward to explaining that to the friendly US customs gentleman
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21:57 🔗 Selavi lol
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21:58 🔗 joepie91_ DFJustin: probably further improved by "bring your old tape drives" day
21:58 🔗 joepie91_ it seems that the older the technology, the more indistinguishable it is from homemade explosives
22:07 🔗 astrid that sounds about right
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22:20 🔗 Asparagir Old nitrate film, in particular!
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23:06 🔗 astrid eep ahahaha yes

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