[00:24] *** Soni has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:34] One of my favorite Youtubers just put up a video about a film that attempts to reconstruct lost films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxJ79qED0Y [00:35] At the end he meditates on how art becomes lost over the ages, and how it's a tragedy film is not immune even though it's a medium that's only 100 years old [00:36] Then he asks: what will happen to today's digital streaming content? [00:36] I think that's why a lot of us are here [00:36] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [01:18] ola_norsk: can't wait for html-libre [01:19] *** ZexaronS has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:24] *** kristian_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [01:24] *** ZexaronS has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:47] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:55] *** Soni has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [01:55] *** Soni has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:04] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Quit: pizzaiolo) [02:17] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:43] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:44] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:55] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [04:23] *** Aranje has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [04:30] *** Aranje has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:43] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [04:50] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:56] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:28] *** Aranje has quit IRC (Quit: Three sheets to the wind) [07:18] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:18] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:33] *** ZexaronS has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [07:44] *** ZexaronS has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:47] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [07:48] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:47] *** etudier has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:05] *** Jonison has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:53] *** fie has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:06] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:08] *** Jonison has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [10:09] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:05] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:41] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:00] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:09] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:10] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:18] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [12:23] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:31] *** drumstick has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [13:04] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:30] from another channel: "in case we have people connected to Puerto Rico: Puerto Rico is 100% without Electricity. The Emergency Management Antenna and the NOAA NWS National Hurricane Center have collapsed. Some cell towers have fallen and many radio stations are off the air. If anyone knows of any person who needs help, they can call (787) 777-0940 WIPR radio, they are receiving emergency calls." [15:00] shit [15:44] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:44] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:55] *** fie has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:12] *** ola_norsk has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:16] SketchCow: alot of Club Nintendo magazine in other languages: https://archive.org/details/@xellos [16:16] mostly argentiana [16:18] this guy scanned issues of Practical Computing : https://archive.org/details/@cosycorp [16:26] i am quite new to IA..I notice the title "Practical Computing 1983 Decemberr" probably is a typo. Is there some way to suggest correction of such, without necessarily hassling the uploader? [16:44] I guess what i'm imagining is a version control system of sorts. Where e.g changes to *_meta.xml file, on an item can be suggested without it inevitably relying on the uploader. [16:47] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:48] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:49] e.g I've uploaded some srt subtitles to my items. If other people were able to add, or especially correct my srt files. That would be awesome. [16:56] *** SketchCow has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:59] that would be, yes [16:59] no such mechanism exists [17:05] i have uploaded those same srt files to github. but..Imagine the following: Person A uploads an item, and goes away, never to come back. The metadata is seemingly lacking a lot of e.g "subject" tags. Person B comes along, adds some tags. The tags do no yet become added to the item though. A week later however, Person C adds some subject tags; Of which some of tags are identical to Person B's tag suggestions..Then a "Wait for admi [17:05] n" alert goes off, if need be; And the matching tags could be decided to become added. [17:05] * ola_norsk just broke his own brain [17:07] democratic "pull requests", i guess is what i mean. [17:18] *** SketchCow has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:18] *** swebb sets mode: +o SketchCow [17:18] *** midas sets mode: +o SketchCow [17:20] *** SketchCow has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:23] *** SketchCow has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:23] *** swebb sets mode: +o SketchCow [17:23] *** midas sets mode: +o SketchCow [17:25] *** BartoCH has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:41] the admin would just need to review the "diff" of changes proposed, for any naughtiness . And choose to either accept the "pull", implementing the changes, vote "nay", or leave it as undecided for some other admin to review. [17:43] Certainly nobody would ever think of abusing this to annoy the admins. Noone would ever do something like that on the internet. [17:43] or, in case of many Admins..vote "Yes, this change is OK by me"..and then another Admin also gets to review it [17:43] @JAA of course not [17:44] @JAA people are never sarcastic or snarky on the internet [17:45] Of course not. [17:47] @JAA how could it be used to "annoy admins" though? Are you suggesting a case where people would sign up for multiple accounts, spamming changes, just for the heck of it? [17:49] i don't know how IA's "Admin alert" works in the backend though. But i can't really imagine they phone is ringing off the hook and alarm bells ringing off above their beds. [17:52] Yeah, exactly that. The real changes would get buried in spam, and someone would have to got through all of it manually to find those that aren't spam. [17:52] admin alert? [17:53] I don't know how much of a problem it would really be, but it just seems like a feature that would beg for abuse by idiots... [17:53] i mean "Wait for Admin" status on an item [17:53] ohhh [17:53] that's called a "redrow" because it shows up in the job list as a red ... row [17:53] there are thousands of them [17:54] I can imagine that is the case. But who's expecting metadata changes to be instant? [17:56] "there are thousands of them" == "We don't have time to go through them at all"? [17:56] *** Atom has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:57] @JAA i had one on one of my items, simply beeing a noob and trying to add a zip file of related images [17:57] It sparked "Wait for Admin", for "added files to end of item" [17:57] so it's understandable [18:03] However, what i'm talking about would really be in the "when we/someone gets to it" in priority. [18:04] the world doesnt catch fire from a simple Title typo, after all [18:12] @JAA while i do see your point perfectly, i ask you to consider that even just the Upload button is just as begging for abuse [18:13] Fun fact: You can modify the HTML on the edit item details page and attempt to change things that had read only fields. It'll wait for review by an admin though. [18:13] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:14] ola_norsk: True. I'm not sure how much abuse IA sees from that, but I guess there's certainly some. However, that doesn't really affect anything. It'll "just" create an unnecessary item and waste some storage, but it doesn't alter the data uploaded by other people, possibly listed in popular collections, etc. [18:15] hook54321, well that answers that :) [18:16] This might be a little relevant to this conversation, but I've heard I think in one Jason's videos that IA would love wikification of metadata and stuff in some way, but they just don't have that ability yet, I think it was related to their budget. [18:17] @JAA Neither am i. I'm sure there's some abuse though. But, i'm not talking about a complete item copy, THAT would indeed waste space. I'm talking just metadata additions/changes. [18:19] ola_norsk: I was talking about the upload button abuse; that wastes storage because the stuff that is uploaded to spam items would generally be garbage. A metadata change obviously wouldn't waste much storage (if any). [18:20] (Actually, a metadata change wouldn't really "waste" anything. It would use a tiny bit of storage, but that's really negligible.) [18:20] yeah [18:23] It would be cool if someone other than me, some day, was able to suggest corrections to my srt subtitles though..I'm pretty sure they have numerous flaws, and i'm not immortal [18:27] hook54321, would you happen to have link to that video? Either way, sounds like that would be what i'm currently fantazing about. [18:29] It might have been somewhere in this video... I'm not completely sure though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_WPK-xFoQ [18:29] ty [18:31] it would be scary if i was the first coming up with such an idea :d [18:46] hook54321, "files burning out of windows" hahaha [18:51] Anyway, i hope to see that wiki/diff ability,some day, on IA. One doesn't need to adhere to politics to adhere to the importance of preserving history and knowledge of the past :) [18:53] *** ola_norsk has quit IRC (Quit: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it) [19:59] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:07] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:12] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:35] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Quit: pizzaiolo) [21:42] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:49] *** ola_norsk has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:06] *** Stilett0- has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:11] *** drumstick has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:14] there's now a canadia IA mirror? right? [22:14] canadian* [22:19] Have there been any serious petitions made to place a mirror on another quadrant of the globe? E.g.. https://greenmountain.no/ or http://worldstopdatacenters.com/google-hamina-finland/ and so on? ..If only for the publicity [22:21] *** ZexaronS has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:22] *** ZexaronS has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:26] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:26] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:28] * ola_norsk doesn't live very far away from "green mountain"..And doubt they wouldn't shove in some mirror, if asked by enough people [22:31] *** BartoCH has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.9) [22:38] Can someone mirror this wiki? http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page if its not mirrored already [22:38] second, capture the whole wiki? [22:40] (without the rest of the uesp.net domain) [22:43] second, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Exporting_all_the_files_of_a_wiki [22:45] second, e.g http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:Export [22:46] second, mirroring would mean hosting a copy of it. That i couldn't do, sorry. [22:56] second, I doubt the maintainer of that wiki, would hestitate much to export you an entire copy, if you asked them [22:57] second, that's the easiest route, after all [23:06] *** etudier has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) [23:09] second, https://forum.httrack.com/readmsg/26705/index.html [23:10] *** Stilett0- has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:10] second, https://web.archive.org/web/20170820210149/http://en.uesp.net/wiki/All_Content [23:12] What do you guys think about golang? [23:13] i've never heard of that beer [23:14] * ola_norsk realizes he's gone above and beyond..Please forgive! [23:14] *** ola_norsk has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:15] JAA: chfoo what do you guys think about go / golang? [23:20] JAA can you archive this https://www.pizzahut.com/#/home its javascript so it might be a bit harder to do [23:20] in what context? [23:33] Frogging: I'm thinking of creating a command line app which will at some point have servers and I'm considering either go or python [23:35] I couldn't give a recommendation since I've only used Python and not Go [23:38] *** Stiletto has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:38] *** Stilett0- has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:50] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:58] *** ZexaronS has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)