#archiveteam-bs 2017-10-06,Fri

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00:26 🔗 godane i'm now maybe on my 23rd tape
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01:35 🔗 godane i'm on my 24th tape now
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01:36 🔗 godane i'm capturing a 1989 30 minute screensaver
01:37 🔗 godane its called Illumination and its a visual music video
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03:50 🔗 godane another tape i have is also upload here: https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/189054
03:51 🔗 godane my tape is longer then that and is the commercial tape
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05:06 🔗 godane so found a odd tape
05:07 🔗 godane i thought i may have hawaii beneath the surface but its music guys audition tapes or something
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08:05 🔗 godane so i think nasa at work is really a moonwalk one movie but in the classroom series
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15:46 🔗 jspiros wah, AIM is being shut down at the end of the year
15:56 🔗 joepie91 hey look: https://twitter.com/ABenMcCloskey/status/916314913630445569
15:56 🔗 joepie91 somebody got arrested for using a VPN that "doesn't log"
15:56 🔗 joepie91 or well, not 'for' exactly, but rather that's how they found him...
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16:16 🔗 dd0a13f37 joepie91: So did it keep logs?
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17:18 🔗 dd0a13f37 Fuck, I just realized something
17:19 🔗 dd0a13f37 oops wrong channel
17:49 🔗 joepie91 dd0a13f37: yep! :)
17:49 🔗 dd0a13f37 Where is the evidence of this?
17:50 🔗 dd0a13f37 It looks incredibly vague to me, is there more context in the pdf?
17:58 🔗 joepie91 dd0a13f37: it's right there in the screenshot of the PDF
17:59 🔗 dd0a13f37 No, "determine that their service was accessed" is way too vague
18:00 🔗 joepie91 dd0a13f37: and how would they determine that without logs, exactly?
18:01 🔗 dd0a13f37 They could keep logs on the web frontend (e.g. billing) without logging it on the VPN service
18:01 🔗 joepie91 which is better how exactly?
18:01 🔗 joepie91 this is arguing on irrelevant technicalities
18:02 🔗 dd0a13f37 Completely different things
18:02 🔗 dd0a13f37 Keeping UID <-> real IP mappings, I don't care about
18:02 🔗 dd0a13f37 UID <-> VPN IP is the bad logging
18:03 🔗 joepie91 dd0a13f37: I'm getting the distinct impression that you don't *want* to understand the point here, so that you can continue pretending that VPNs that claim "no logs" are secure.
18:03 🔗 joepie91 dd0a13f37: read the actual damn screenshot, and the PDF that's associated with it.
18:03 🔗 joepie91 how do they get from "
18:04 🔗 joepie91 how do they get from "oh this guy is using a VPN" to "oh this is his own IP" without a real IP <--- .... ---> VPN IP mappinmg?
18:04 🔗 joepie91 they don't, therefore there is such a mapping
18:04 🔗 joepie91 how do you obtain such a mapping?
18:04 🔗 joepie91 through logs
18:04 🔗 joepie91 this is not rocket science
18:04 🔗 dd0a13f37 I'm reading the pdf right now, yes, but judging from the screenshot it could just have been using VPN IP for personal gmail
18:04 🔗 joepie91 ....
18:05 🔗 dd0a13f37 Yes, the screenshot doesn't make it clear
18:06 🔗 joepie91 okay, I give up
18:06 🔗 Frogging joepie91: I'm "not authorized to view these tweets" apparently
18:06 🔗 dd0a13f37 Look at page 18, will you?
18:07 🔗 Frogging oh now it's working
18:07 🔗 Frogging that was odd
18:07 🔗 dd0a13f37 Lin criticized the tweet, saying "There is no such thing as a VPN that doesn't keep logs. If they can limit your connections or track bandwidth usage, they keeps logs."
18:10 🔗 Frogging dd0a13f37: the excerpt doesn't say they got his UID, it says they were able to determine that it was the same UID that accessed his personal email
18:11 🔗 dd0a13f37 Ah yes I see, I got to it now
18:11 🔗 dd0a13f37 It still doesn't make sense though
18:12 🔗 dd0a13f37 Look at p24-25, it they'd have logs that section wouldn't be there
18:13 🔗 Frogging which section number ml
18:13 🔗 Frogging -ml
18:14 🔗 Frogging It really does sound like they keep logs, at least enough logs to link together different actions by the same customer
18:15 🔗 dd0a13f37 It does, but it's still unclear
18:15 🔗 Frogging whatever opsec they claim to be doing in order to not have records, they are not in fact doing since they have records
18:15 🔗 dd0a13f37 Section 45-55
18:15 🔗 dd0a13f37 45-46*
18:16 🔗 Frogging okay that's on page 20
18:16 🔗 dd0a13f37 But that could be the customer records since they already had his identity at that point
18:16 🔗 dd0a13f37 page 24 pdf 23 paper
18:17 🔗 dd0a13f37 "Use of Overlapping Service Providers" - if they kept logs they'd have more definitive evidence.
18:18 🔗 dd0a13f37 His opsec was quite shit, so it really seems like another case of "user hiding behind tor unmasked"
18:20 🔗 Frogging regardless, it clearly says that PureVPN records were used in the evidence. In section 52 which was screencapped in the tweet
18:21 🔗 dd0a13f37 Yes, but not which ones. Keeping it from the billing records is fine, that's not malicious nor very dangerous.
18:21 🔗 dd0a13f37 We can safely rule out real IP <-> VPN IP, so either that or they're deliberately being misleading for some reason
18:21 🔗 dd0a13f37 [the police]
18:23 🔗 dd0a13f37 "Our servers automatically record the time at which you connect to any of our servers. From here on forward, we do not keep any records of anything that could associate any specific activity to a specific user."
18:23 🔗 dd0a13f37 https://www.purevpn.com/privacy-policy.php
18:25 🔗 Frogging "PureVPN was able to determine that their service was accessed by the same customer from two originating IP addresses" and they go on to specify what addresses those were
18:25 🔗 dd0a13f37 Yes, this is congruent with their privacy policy.
18:25 🔗 Frogging so they keep records of what IP addresses their server was accessed from and can link them with specific customers
18:26 🔗 dd0a13f37 Yes, that's true. That doesn't mean they log the outbound IPs used, which is the sensitive information
18:26 🔗 Frogging I expect a company that builds their marketing on "we don't keep logs" to not keep logs of my IP address
18:26 🔗 Frogging on either side of the VPN
18:27 🔗 Frogging it's misleading at best
18:27 🔗 dd0a13f37 They do seem shady, but there's nothing in there that goes against their privacy policy. Good VPNs don't have this problem, that's true.
18:28 🔗 Frogging it may not technically violate their privacy policy but the claims of not keeping records are still misleading
18:28 🔗 Frogging which if anything is at least a lesson to read the fine print
18:29 🔗 dd0a13f37 Sure. But if his opsec wouldn't have been bad otherwise, the VPN alone wouldn't have exposed him.
18:29 🔗 Frogging not that you can necessarily trust the privacy policy anyway
18:30 🔗 dd0a13f37 They don't seem to have a proper one actually
18:30 🔗 dd0a13f37 (a legal one)
18:35 🔗 dd0a13f37 Compare this to https://www.mullvad.net/blog/2017/1/13/clarifying-our-no-logging-policy/
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19:35 🔗 godane so there is tape called 'looking for trouble'
19:35 🔗 godane it is a short film with no audio
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20:52 🔗 odemg and?
20:53 🔗 godane i'm doing The Who 1981-03-28 tape
20:54 🔗 godane it was when there in germany
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21:05 🔗 godane so you may get some more germany news at the end of that concert tape
21:07 🔗 odemg sound :D
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21:19 🔗 godane the concert tape has sound
21:20 🔗 godane it was just the 'Looking for Trouble' tape that had no sound
21:25 🔗 Stilett0- seeing the AIM coverage reminded me
21:25 🔗 Stilett0- is now known as Stiletto
21:25 🔗 Stiletto I used to use Prodigy rather than Compuserve or AOL. One thing they came up with towards the end was a "offline bulletin board browser" which archived messages to your HDD.
21:26 🔗 Stiletto it's very unlikely people still have the files they archived with this. But I just found a few.
21:27 🔗 Stiletto Of course, I wasn't the completionist I am now, and mostly just archived messages and boards that interested me
21:28 🔗 Stiletto who knows, maybe someone could set up a message to appeal to anyone who still had these archives and see if anyone showed up with them
21:29 🔗 Stiletto similarly to Google's appeal for published USENET archive disks back in the day
21:29 🔗 Stiletto I doubt AOL or Compuserve made similar utilities but you never know
21:29 🔗 Stiletto I don't really know what research has been done in this space so far
21:32 🔗 Stiletto anyhow, I believe the tool was called "Bulletin Board Manager" and anyone with it still intact should have a cache of messages on their hard drive
21:34 🔗 Stiletto it's a shame there aren't more archives of those days
21:37 🔗 Stiletto or maybe it was called "Bulletin Board Note Manager"
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22:11 🔗 dashcloud Stiletto: Someone worked on a tool to extract stuff from offline Prodigy folders- I think I heard about it from Benj Edwards
22:24 🔗 JAA Anyone interested in archiving blogs hosted at wordpress.com? I believe I just found a method for discovering all or at least very many of those (including ones hosted on their own domain).
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23:58 🔗 Stiletto dashcloud - from Benj? great, thanks
23:58 🔗 godane so i had to german attack warsaw tapes
23:58 🔗 Stiletto I probably still have the Prodigy Bulletin Board Note Manager utility extracted to a folder, need to dig on an old HDD to see
23:59 🔗 Stiletto thanks for letting me know dashcloud
23:59 🔗 godane one without tape code and one with tape code in video

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