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00:01 🔗 JensRex Back up. My ISP owes 8 GB credit on the AT tracker!
00:03 🔗 JAA Maybe you exceeded your traffic cap. ;-)
00:05 🔗 JensRex Nah, they did away with that years ago.
00:07 🔗 JAA :-)
00:11 🔗 JensRex Just the usual incompetence from a huge ISP.
00:11 🔗 JAA I'm really glad we switched to a competent, small ISP.
00:12 🔗 JAA They're also the only ones to offer symmetric Gbit in the area though (for consumers).
00:14 🔗 JAA Ah, just checked, not anymore. But still the cheapest ones by far.
00:14 🔗 JensRex My terrible ISP is the least terrible available here.
00:15 🔗 JensRex That is, I can get DSL at 18 mibt from any number of providers, or cable at up to 1 gbit from Incompetence Inc.
00:16 🔗 JAA :-/
00:16 🔗 JAA I hate "up to".
00:17 🔗 JensRex I meant I can get up to 1 gbit if I pay for it. Got 300 mbit currently.
00:17 🔗 JAA Ah, and you actually get 300 Mbit?
00:17 🔗 JensRex More like 360 mbit.
00:17 🔗 JensRex And 60 up.
00:18 🔗 JAA Neat. The cable connections I've used here were... not as good.
00:21 🔗 JensRex 1 gbit is absurdly expensive though. ~107 €.
00:21 🔗 JensRex 300 mbit is ~53 €.
00:23 🔗 JAA I pay about €56 for Gbit/s here. That's fibre though, not cable.
00:28 🔗 godane so this felicity tape most likely was from 2002-11-20 to 2002-11-27
00:29 🔗 godane there was a jump to a thanksgiving episode after S02E21
00:30 🔗 godane also sears ads saying that thanksgiving sale is on this friday for the last 3 episodes i think
00:31 🔗 godane this also may mean that the last 2 episodes of Season 2 on We aired on 2002-12-02 and 2002-12-03
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01:53 🔗 godane so the tank girl tape is the Tank Girl home video tape
01:53 🔗 godane it was a copy of it to a normal video tape
01:55 🔗 godane anyways the trailer at the end of the tape and partial MST3 recording will be saved
01:55 🔗 godane turned out that was taped over for Tank Girl
02:08 🔗 godane looks like it was Comedy Central 1991 for MST3
02:09 🔗 godane there was ad for gamepro magazine in there commercial break
02:42 🔗 mundus Can someone do I recursive archive on http://www.poi-factory.com/
02:43 🔗 mundus Also, is there anything I can do to gain ability to use archive bot?
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03:08 🔗 dashcloud everyone can do the single site version- !ao url . you need to be voiced to use the !a (get everything version).
03:08 🔗 dashcloud you also need to be in the #archivebot channel
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03:53 🔗 godane so i put in Felicity tape 1 and it has episode S01E02 from what i can tell
04:03 🔗 Somebody2 For reference, I am *not* available to exchange money for coding, sadly. (Or to donate money, for that matter.) But I'm supportive of such being done.
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04:19 🔗 Asparagir You got something against money, huh? :-)
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04:23 🔗 godane so i made of list of felicity episodes to days that there may have aired on We Channel
04:24 🔗 godane based on every the first episode aired 2002-09-30
04:25 🔗 godane archive news report confilmed it: http://www.amcnetworks.com/press-releases/we-womens-entertainment-acquires-exclusive-off-network-premiere-of-felicity
04:30 🔗 godane they say october but the monday that would have the first episode is 2002-09-30
04:33 🔗 godane anyways i have at least a good guess when each episode aired
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08:46 🔗 godane SketchCow: so i have a total of 38 files i have upload for 'Godane VHS Capture' folder
08:47 🔗 godane anyways i'm breaking up the felicity block i got
08:48 🔗 godane so i have S01E02 to S01E05 from this 'felicity tape 1'
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09:54 🔗 godane SketchCow: so i think that damaged tape has a bird craw print in the cover
09:55 🔗 godane there are 3 holes then 4th hold at the bottom of it
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12:18 🔗 Muad-Dib JAA: yeah, let's move the Lycos talk here
12:18 🔗 Muad-Dib I completely forgot about http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ISP_Hosting
12:20 🔗 Muad-Dib Seems I forgot they run Angelfire as well
12:21 🔗 JAA The more I read about it, the more confused I get.
12:21 🔗 JAA There was Lycos Europe, which shut down a few years ago and was therefore probably completely independent of Lycos US?
12:22 🔗 Muad-Dib good news for archiving, though: they both seem to have the same sitemap-ception thing going on http://www.angelfire.com/robots.txt http://members.tripod.com/robots.txt
12:23 🔗 Muad-Dib "Sitemaps of sitemaps! We need to go deeper!" *horns*
12:27 🔗 Muad-Dib JAA: looks like there's already have a channel for this stuff: #webroasting
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12:30 🔗 JAA Ah, right
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15:45 🔗 Ruff_Wiza better now?
15:45 🔗 JAA :-)
15:46 🔗 JAA The other channel is mostly just for announcements and "oh shit this site is going down"-type messages.
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15:48 🔗 Ruff_Wiza okay
15:49 🔗 Ruff_Wiza My mother is running a petition to stop the authorities in a city in Russia from moving a monument. Since the petition started, they've backed away from their original decision and also have managed to get some news articles edited and removed the statement about them planning to move it from their site. My brother found Google Web Cache'd versions online of the article before it was edited,...
15:49 🔗 Ruff_Wiza ...but he said that we shouldn't rely on it since it can be removed, so I uploaded it to archive.is (after I found that I couldn't upload it to the Wayback Machine). Would you say that this is sufficient or that I should try and get the cached versions onto the Internet Archive too?
15:50 🔗 JAA More copies are always better. In particular in the case of archive.is, which is just run by a single guy and could disappear at any time.
15:51 🔗 JAA How many links are we talking about?
15:51 🔗 Ruff_Wiza But how do I get it onto there if the Wayback Machine doesn't take it? The Google cached versions have since auto-updated, so the archive.is versions are the only ones we have left for some of them.
15:52 🔗 Ruff_Wiza There are several articles covering this from different dates but I think there are three that are most important, though I suppose ideally we could put everything on there.
15:53 🔗 JAA We can throw Google Cache pages into ArchiveBot if it's not too many. The problem with Google Cache is that they're blocking automated access quite quickly. But a few dozen links is not an issue.
15:54 🔗 JAA For those that are only on archive.is now, it's a bit trickier. ArchiveBot ignores archive.is entirely... But I think it might be possible to get around that.
15:54 🔗 Ruff_Wiza I think 2 of the 3 caches updated themselves precisely because the articles were changed (at least I think so, anyway), and the other one is still up because the original page was deleted, not changed. Tell me if I am wrong about this.
15:54 🔗 Ruff_Wiza (Google caches I'm talking about)
15:54 🔗 JAA Possible. I don't know too much about how Google Cache works internally.
15:54 🔗 JAA Sounds very plausible though.
15:55 🔗 Ruff_Wiza I think that's the best explanation. Google Cache is primarily for Google own use, right?
15:55 🔗 Ruff_Wiza *Google's
15:55 🔗 JAA Yeah, basically.
15:55 🔗 JAA And it can disappear or change at any time.
15:55 🔗 JAA It's definitely nothing that we can rely on.
15:56 🔗 Ruff_Wiza Most people who were following this know that it's bullshit when they try and deny that it was ever gonna happen, but it's important to have an archive anyway, since a screenshot or pdf is not good enough evidence.
15:56 🔗 Ruff_Wiza Would you like me to send you some of the links?
15:57 🔗 JAA Absolutely
15:58 🔗 Ruff_Wiza And then what will you do with them? Just so I know.
16:01 🔗 JAA I will add them to ArchiveBot. They will be archived and uploaded to the Internet Archive, though they won't appear in the Wayback Machine as mentioned previously. Anyone can download the archives and take a look at the content though (with the right software).
16:02 🔗 Ruff_Wiza but doesn't that kind of defeat the point of it being able to be easily shared and used as evidence?
16:02 🔗 Ruff_Wiza why can't it be put on the wayback machine?
16:03 🔗 JAA Hold on a second
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16:04 🔗 JAA Ah yeah
16:04 🔗 JAA So the problem is that https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/robots.txt forbids access to /search.
16:05 🔗 Ruff_Wiza What does that mean?
16:05 🔗 JAA The Wayback Machine unfortunately follows robots.txt directives, meaning that it blocks access to any URLs disallowed there.
16:06 🔗 Ruff_Wiza But can't we feed a direct link to the particular cached page into the Machine?
16:07 🔗 Ruff_Wiza oh, I see what you mean
16:07 🔗 Ruff_Wiza you mean because it has /search in the URL?
16:07 🔗 JAA If you find an alternative link to it, that might work, but I don't know of anything other than https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:URL
16:07 🔗 JAA Yes
16:07 🔗 Ruff_Wiza Can we feed archive.is versions into the Machine?
16:08 🔗 JAA Maybe, not sure.
16:09 🔗 Ruff_Wiza It doesn't give me an option to do that straight away.
16:10 🔗 JAA Ah no, won't work because archive.is/fo is behind CloudFlare protection. :-(
16:10 🔗 Ruff_Wiza so archive.org has nothing I can add it to?
16:10 🔗 JAA Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20171106160948/https://archive.fo/COuCQ
16:10 🔗 JAA I don't think so.
16:11 🔗 Ruff_Wiza I just get this: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://archive.fo/SP1by
16:11 🔗 Ruff_Wiza JAA: Do they have a chat like this one?
16:11 🔗 JAA You could download the .zip from archive.is and upload that to IA, but that's also not directly accessible.
16:12 🔗 JAA There's #internetarchive, but that's unofficial.
16:13 🔗 Ruff_Wiza I'll just do whatever you think is best
16:13 🔗 Ruff_Wiza Oh. Do you think they'll be able to help me?
16:13 🔗 Ruff_Wiza (Or at least offer advice.)
16:13 🔗 JAA I'm not sure what's best. I usually throw Google Cache links into ArchiveBot for such cases, but that's definitely far from ideal.
16:14 🔗 JAA In any case, a difficult-to-access copy is infinitely better than no copy at all.
16:14 🔗 Ruff_Wiza okay
16:14 🔗 Ruff_Wiza what software is needed to access archivebot?
16:14 🔗 JAA No idea, you can try asking there, I'm not familiar with the channel.
16:14 🔗 JAA Nothing besides an IRC client. Join #archivebot.
16:15 🔗 Ruff_Wiza Right now?
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19:42 🔗 ola_norsk is there no way to circumvent the f**kng t.co short urls when trying to post/browse a wayback archive?
19:43 🔗 ola_norsk i mean, the real url is in the "alt=" ..
19:50 🔗 ola_norsk one might as well replace any urls on archived twitter that's a "t.co" link, with the url in in the "alt=" property..
19:53 🔗 ola_norsk damn bit.ly, goo.gl, t.co ..
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20:42 🔗 astrid <3
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21:16 🔗 noirscape not sure if it has been made aware yet but the miiverse warrior project doesnt work
21:16 🔗 noirscape Project code is out of date and needs to be upgraded. To remedy this problem immediately, you may reboot your warrior. Retrying after 90 seconds...
21:17 🔗 noirscape is the error ive been getting
21:22 🔗 DrasticAc It was taken down, Nintendo was banning IPs
21:23 🔗 noirscape oh
21:23 🔗 noirscape so no archiving?
21:23 🔗 DrasticAc We've already grabbed 137 million posts and 6.7 million user profiles
21:23 🔗 noirscape thats quite a bit
21:23 🔗 DrasticAc And I have another manual job that's archiving the newest posts as they come in.
21:24 🔗 noirscape ok
21:24 🔗 DrasticAc JAA: Is there any way we can edit the wiki to make it clear that the warrior job is down, but the manual grab is still on?
21:25 🔗 DrasticAc We've had it come up in the other chat room before too.
21:25 🔗 noirscape is there a way i can contribute with the manual grab?
21:26 🔗 phillipsj DrasticAc, I think you can get wiki accces by asking for the password in a specific way.
21:27 🔗 DrasticAc noirscape: No, it's something I wrote and I'm running it on an Azure bot.
21:27 🔗 DrasticAc Honestly, there's not much left. It's really the newest posts.
21:28 🔗 noirscape DrasticAc: oh good
21:28 🔗 DrasticAc We don't know how many older posts might be missing, since it's basically impossible to know how many total posts there are, and the Miiverse website has terrible pagination.
21:29 🔗 noirscape DrasticAc: I can edit the wiki if need be btw
21:30 🔗 DrasticAc Well, if you want to then :)
21:30 🔗 DrasticAc I'm not sure what to change it to though
21:32 🔗 noirscape Nintendo has started IP banning Warrior instances, therefore the archiving effort has publicly been disabled for now. A private grab is still running.
21:32 🔗 noirscape how about i add this?
21:34 🔗 DrasticAc Okay, sounds good.
21:34 🔗 noirscape added
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