#archiveteam-bs 2017-11-22,Wed

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00:00 πŸ”— ola_norsk "THAT IS THE CASE!"...it's just my shorthand english that blows chunks
00:00 πŸ”— JAA Ah, got it.
00:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk "da e da som e saken" (nor: "Det er det som er saken")...en: That is the case
00:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk what about reddit?
00:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk frontpage here is showing me a VPN deal for "black friday"
00:02 πŸ”— JAA 20 of the 25 posts on the frontpage are currently about FCC's net neutrality announcement.
00:03 πŸ”— ola_norsk one seriously must make an internet 2.0...
00:04 πŸ”— JAA "Calm down about the Net Neutrality thing... Paying additional money to access certain sites will give you a sense of pride and accomplishment."
00:04 πŸ”— JAA Ahahahaha
00:04 πŸ”— ola_norsk which site would that be? :D
00:05 πŸ”— ola_norsk facebook? lol
00:05 πŸ”— ola_norsk fucking hell..Gopher and telnet protocol is coming back!
00:06 πŸ”— JAA This is what it could look like: https://i.imgur.com/QTL3At5.jpg
00:06 πŸ”— JAA That's a real screenshot from a Portuguese mobile provider.
00:06 πŸ”— JAA This crap is happening already.
00:07 πŸ”— JAA Here's the direct link to that page: https://www.meo.pt/internet/internet-movel/telemovel/pacotes-com-telemovel
00:07 πŸ”— ola_norsk if it happens more, i think that would actually be beneficial to show people how shit it is
00:08 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's redicicouls, and against every intention of what internet was meant and planned to be
00:09 πŸ”— * ola_norsk is drunk
00:09 πŸ”— ola_norsk pardon the typos
00:13 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's not that scary though i think. I would claim it's impossible to keep going like that in the long run. Eventually it would backlash and implode. Hell, even "dark web" is just shit that was searcable on good not that long ago.
00:14 πŸ”— ola_norsk or dank web or deep web, or whatever the fuck it's called these days..(eventhough it's technically "higher web")
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00:22 πŸ”— JAA "Deep web" is the term you're looking for. "Dark web" is a subsection of that and refers to darknets, e.g. Tor or Freenet.
00:22 πŸ”— yipdw actually I really prefer "dank web"
00:22 πŸ”— yipdw that sounds like a way better term
00:23 πŸ”— JAA It does.
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00:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'd be happy to pay taxes for IA mirror here: http://www.bbc.com/specialfeatures/horizonsbusiness/clips-library/?autoplay=true&vid=p01jssrc&tab=2
00:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm freezing my feet of
00:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk make it happen!
00:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk change.org WOULD work..
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02:14 πŸ”— odemg AudioBooks this way come: http://the-eye.eu/audiobookbay.mp4
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02:39 πŸ”— godane i think internet 2.0 is going be like the piratebay van in diggnation
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02:51 πŸ”— godane or maybe we take the book scanning van and add rpi+librarybox+kiwix project to it
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04:06 πŸ”— godane so i'm starting to think i need to run a list of packages from slackware into debian apt-get to get close to what i need
04:07 πŸ”— godane also found out my wifi tp-link stick doesn't light up on boot in my slax-debian
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04:31 πŸ”— DrasticAc There a good place to host a Postgres database with somewhat flexible storage?
04:32 πŸ”— DrasticAc I’m parsing the Miiverse warcs I grabbed and are putting them into a database with a web front end, so it’ll be easier to find the stuff we grabbed
04:35 πŸ”— DrasticAc I was thinking of just getting a linode and hosting it there, but I don’t know what other options are out there. Usually I host on Azure, but Postgres is in preview.
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06:48 πŸ”— godane so i'm now on my debian based slax system
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08:03 πŸ”— godane so some good news
08:03 πŸ”— godane and bad news
08:03 πŸ”— godane looks like my telegraph.co.uk upload script didn't upload them all
08:04 πŸ”— godane good news is still have the files so i can upload them
08:04 πŸ”— godane its all the 2006 pages as daily dumps of there sitemap archives
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08:08 πŸ”— godane cdx and warc.gz finally uploaded: https://archive.org/details/www.telegraph.co.uk-archive-2006-04-30-pages-20160707
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08:10 πŸ”— godane most of may 2006 archives have to be uploaded
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10:37 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload my collection of rush Limbaugh radio show
10:37 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/rush-limbaugh-radio-show-2005-06-03
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14:48 πŸ”— jrwr aww they closed web-beta.archive.org
14:48 πŸ”— jrwr well made it private
14:48 πŸ”— jrwr I used the fuck out of it
14:50 πŸ”— JAA Time to send an email then. :-)
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15:44 πŸ”— bithippo Anyone have recommendations on the "best" way to archive youtube videos in cold storage locally?
15:44 πŸ”— JAA youtube-dl, I guess.
15:44 πŸ”— bithippo Using youtube-dl now, but that doesn't store the metadata, headers, etc.
15:45 πŸ”— JAA It doesn't? I thought it should. I've only rarely used it myself though.
15:45 πŸ”— bithippo It'll grab the highest quality audio and video renditions, mux them together, and voila, file created.
15:45 πŸ”— bithippo Today's project I suppose!
15:46 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, but I think it also writes a JSON (or XML?) file with metadata.
15:46 πŸ”— bithippo :thinking: Good call, going to investigate more. Lost some videos out of my Favorites playlist today that were deleted or made private, never again!
15:48 πŸ”— bithippo @JAA: Maw gawd it does
15:48 πŸ”— bithippo --write-info-json Write video metadata to a .info.json file
15:48 πŸ”— bithippo Thank you!!
15:49 πŸ”— JAA :-)
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16:05 πŸ”— Kaz bithippo: youtube-dl --title --continue --retries 4 --write-info-json --write-description --write-thumbnail --write-annotations --all-subs --ignore-errors -f bestvideo+bestaudio URL
16:05 πŸ”— Kaz From http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=YouTube
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16:19 πŸ”— bithippo Doh. Thanks @Kaz
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18:02 πŸ”— jrwr Man, if AT ever has to save youtube
18:24 πŸ”— ivan there are channels on YouTube that delete a very high percentage of their content (e.g. Apple or nokia) or upload television streams (of interest, e.g. news) that are inevitably taken down by the copyright holder
18:26 πŸ”— ivan if you want a project, scrape youtube channels/users i.e. UU* playlists every day, learn which channels remove content
18:28 πŸ”— ivan archive those and you'll have a nice collection in no time
18:39 πŸ”— ivan YouTube loses some non-trivial percentage of videos every year because there are so many parties that can get a video taken down (uploader, copyright holder, random guy with fake copyright claim, privacy complainant, YouTube for ToS violation)
18:40 πŸ”— ivan after some number of unresolved copyright strikes the entire channel gets nuked
18:44 πŸ”— bithippo Does YouTube provide a list of DMCA notices/removals in a consumable format?
18:44 πŸ”— ivan bithippo: I don't think so, just the copyright holder notices on individual /watch pages
18:57 πŸ”— jrwr Ya, no chilling affects for Youtube
18:58 πŸ”— bithippo Disappoint.
19:10 πŸ”— jrwr wait
19:10 πŸ”— jrwr it does!
19:10 πŸ”— jrwr https://www.lumendatabase.org/
19:10 πŸ”— jrwr it reports to these guys
19:10 πŸ”— jrwr everything
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19:12 πŸ”— jrwr well
19:12 πŸ”— jrwr not everything
19:13 πŸ”— bithippo Still something! Thanks for sharing!
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19:17 πŸ”— ola_norsk so someone who is not me, wrote a representative of Den Norske Dataforening yesterday. Regarding making a Norwegian IA mirror happen: https://imgur.com/1spd0ny
19:18 πŸ”— jrwr What does it say?
19:18 πŸ”— ola_norsk tl;dr "I like the idea, but could you tell me more about it?"
19:18 πŸ”— ola_norsk give me a few secs
19:18 πŸ”— jrwr Nice! thats a good sign
19:20 πŸ”— jrwr Running a IA mirror is no feat mind you, its huge!
19:20 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye i know
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19:21 πŸ”— ola_norsk but DND (The Norwegian Computer Society) is not exactly small
19:22 πŸ”— ola_norsk http://www.dataforeningen.no/in-english.128921.no.html
19:23 πŸ”— bithippo @jrwr Does every IA item provide a torrent to download it?
19:23 πŸ”— jrwr Just about
19:23 πŸ”— jrwr there are a ton of non public collections
19:24 πŸ”— jrwr https://archive.org/stats/
19:24 πŸ”— jrwr they are storing a "metric fuckton" of data
19:25 πŸ”— bithippo I assume the non public collections can be gotten at for cold storage mirroring with someone's approval?
19:25 πŸ”— jrwr Ya
19:25 πŸ”— bithippo w00t
19:26 πŸ”— jrwr you would need to hit up SketchCow I guess for all that nonsense since he works there
19:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk jrwr: here's a (semi-bad) google translate version of the response https://pastebin.com/v4Hjp7Ys
19:26 πŸ”— jrwr also in 2014 they said they are hosting Total used storage: 50 PetaBytes
19:27 πŸ”— bithippo Crazy amount of data
19:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk my frustration is that the person seems to think waybackmachine is internetarchive
19:27 πŸ”— jrwr thats SUPER common
19:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye
19:27 πŸ”— jrwr I'll ask people have they ever seen Archive / Internet Archive
19:28 πŸ”— jrwr and they will nope out, then I fall back to the Wayback machine
19:28 πŸ”— ola_norsk :D
19:28 πŸ”— jrwr I would send over samples of what is stored to this guy, like all the news casts from the states ever done and indexed
19:28 πŸ”— ola_norsk my hope is that it will stirr up to something, and they look more into it
19:29 πŸ”— ola_norsk someone might do that...
19:29 πŸ”— bithippo Would be awesome for Brewster and Co to do a "What is the Internet Archive?" 2 min video for these sorts of thigns
19:29 πŸ”— jrwr old movies, films, maybe have a more active part from that part of the world archiving its history to it
19:29 πŸ”— jrwr I would love a CGP Gray on this
19:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk one point should be that Alexiandria is not only in a political "hotzone", but i think someone here said it's ~10 years outdated(?)
19:30 πŸ”— jrwr Ya
19:31 πŸ”— jrwr I know there is another one as well
19:31 πŸ”— jrwr its the old petaboxes, they are in a datacenter deep in the EU
19:31 πŸ”— jrwr doing /something/ that is unknown to me and the others I was speaking to
19:31 πŸ”— ola_norsk being kept current?
19:31 πŸ”— jrwr Unknown
19:31 πŸ”— jrwr it was asked if AT could take it over at one point
19:32 πŸ”— ola_norsk "deep in the EU" :D
19:32 πŸ”— ola_norsk lol
19:32 πŸ”— jrwr == I forgot where it was in the EU
19:32 πŸ”— jrwr this was a few months ago
19:33 πŸ”— ola_norsk yeah, i just liked that expression :D made me instantly think of swiss alps :D
19:33 πŸ”— jrwr https://archive.org/about/graphs.php
19:38 πŸ”— ola_norsk thing is, if it's not being kept current it's still good stuff..But then it's like "timebox", i don't know the proper term for it; When people bury a box with keep-sakes to dig up later.
19:39 πŸ”— astrid in english, "time capsule"
19:39 πŸ”— ola_norsk yes
19:40 πŸ”— ola_norsk it seems to me like Alexandria is not so much mirror as well, but a time capsule, if its 10 years behind current "main data"
19:44 πŸ”— ola_norsk bithippo: Yes, an official presentation would be helpful. I think it's called a "pitch stack"..like a small facts presentation that could be included in propositions
19:44 πŸ”— jrwr We could always use more warriors :)
19:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk PitchDeck seems to be the word
19:49 πŸ”— ola_norsk my problem is i can't and don't want to be a any sort of representative or spokesperson. My hope is simply to contact the key person in my country that would.
19:50 πŸ”— ola_norsk "stirr it up" as he said :D https://youtu.be/SRyELKGLGag
19:54 πŸ”— ola_norsk beside NCS, which is independend community; There's Kulturdepartementet (Culture Department), Kunnskapsdepartementet (Knowledge/Education dep)..But i know Dataforerningen holds good sway in both
19:56 πŸ”— ola_norsk both of those state departments hold decisions that could make it happen
19:58 πŸ”— godane i put a post about the stuff i'm archiving before net neutrality is over: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7etrwy/things_to_archive_before_net_neutrality_is_over/
19:59 πŸ”— ola_norsk things are that bad? :/
19:59 πŸ”— astrid i dont think so
19:59 πŸ”— godane its just in case
20:00 πŸ”— godane better safe then sorry
20:00 πŸ”— ola_norsk good point
20:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk imagine, ISP beginning to sell "gaming packages"..where your game lags as f*ck if you don't subscribe to it :/
20:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk "Sign up for decent connection to EA servers, for only $10 extra a month!"
20:05 πŸ”— ola_norsk "For only $2 extra, you could play CS:GO with acceptable latency!"
20:06 πŸ”— ola_norsk :)
20:17 πŸ”— jrwr Start bundling game season passes on your cable bill
20:17 πŸ”— ola_norsk _D
20:18 πŸ”— ola_norsk "It looks your playing the latest World of Warcraft addon, would you like to play it without lag? Subscribe today!" :D
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20:22 πŸ”— ola_norsk "For only Β£1, you could be accesing the best handpicked items that Internet Archive has to offer! Kind regards - ISP"
20:24 πŸ”— ola_norsk IMO though, just like DRM's and DNS blocking, it won't hold. But incentivice people to break and circumvent it.
20:25 πŸ”— astrid i feel like this topic is vaguely offtopic, but also not
20:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk astrid: I doubt IA would be high priority connection..
20:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk but yeah, i don't think it will be that bad. It has the potential for it though, but i see it as impossible to happen.
20:27 πŸ”— astrid are you here to work on archiveteam projects, or to chat
20:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk let me check if my upload is done..
20:28 πŸ”— astrid what're you uploading?
20:28 πŸ”— ola_norsk Big_Cartoon video archive
20:28 πŸ”— astrid ah
20:28 πŸ”— godane https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/22/16691794/net-neutrality-fcc-ajit-pai-comcast-block-bittorrent
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20:29 πŸ”— godane so we need a way to switch protocols mid stream and random but still download files thur bittorrent
20:30 πŸ”— godane make it in impossible for them to filter it out without killing the hole net
20:39 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's possible to leach trough Tor is it not?
20:39 πŸ”— ola_norsk (most likely slow as h*ll though)
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20:44 πŸ”— schbirid2 torrents are really bad to the tor network
20:45 πŸ”— schbirid2 if you want anonymous torrenting, use i2p, it is officially supported there and works quite well
20:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk yeah, but not impossible are they?
20:45 πŸ”— schbirid2 it is possible but you would be a massive dick as it is very stressful traffic
20:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye
20:46 πŸ”— godane one of my thoughts it make all look like https data without domain to tell where its coming from
20:46 πŸ”— godane i have no idea if can be done though
20:47 πŸ”— ola_norsk i dont know how they detect it to be https, outside of traffic going to port 80 or 8080
20:48 πŸ”— ola_norsk maybe it could be obfuscated by some packets containing "genuine" http packets (which the torrent client/tracker would ignore?
20:51 πŸ”— ola_norsk enough so that it looks like http connection attempt for a "sniffer detector" i mean?
20:53 πŸ”— ola_norsk the trackers and peers on the other end would receive it as garbage though
20:54 πŸ”— ola_norsk it would be borderline ddosing perhaps? :/
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21:34 πŸ”— JensRex Arh shit. My 1,5 GB scratch disk is making awful clicking noises.
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21:38 πŸ”— hook54321 sets mode: +o Asparagir
21:51 πŸ”— JAA You have a 1.5 GB HDD?
21:51 πŸ”— hook54321 I would recommend not storing anything important on it.
21:52 πŸ”— JensRex Nothing terribly important on it. SMART has been complaining about it for years.
21:53 πŸ”— JensRex I'd just be slightly annoyed if my virtual machines were lost, but that's it.
21:53 πŸ”— hook54321 I haven't gotten a reply back about my archive.org account yet, although thanksgiving is this week, so I guess some people might have multiple days off.
21:54 πŸ”— hook54321 JensRex: You should move the virtual machines off of the 1.5 GB Hard Drive.
21:54 πŸ”— astrid 1.5 gigabyte? still in active use?
21:54 πŸ”— JensRex Eh, TB.
21:55 πŸ”— hook54321 That's a bit different lol
21:55 πŸ”— JAA That makes more sense.
21:55 πŸ”— JAA (Although, who ever buys hard disks that aren't a power of two in size??)
21:55 πŸ”— godane still can get a 4tb from bestbuy this week for $80
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21:56 πŸ”— godane thats a black friday special
21:56 πŸ”— hook54321 ??
21:56 πŸ”— hook54321 link me?
21:56 πŸ”— hook54321 I might need it if my account doesn't get unlocked lol
21:56 πŸ”— JAA godane, ola_norsk: That is possible. It's fairly easy to set up OpenVPN to look similar to HTTPS traffic. Doesn't mean it's undetectable though, of course.
21:57 πŸ”— godane https://i.imgur.com/x0yTsiK.png
21:57 πŸ”— JensRex 4 TB disks are about 150 USD in Denmark.
21:57 πŸ”— JensRex That's 150 more than I have to spend on hardware.
21:57 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, Europe never gets any of those sweet deals from the US...
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21:57 πŸ”— hook54321 That's 8 GB o_O
21:57 πŸ”— JAA 8 TB for $129, for example...
21:57 πŸ”— godane https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7e5yc2/black_friday_wd_easystore_8tb_for_12999_valid/
21:58 πŸ”— hook54321 *TB
21:58 πŸ”— ola_norsk is there a way to revert an issued (deleteion) task id?
21:58 πŸ”— hook54321 I'll be back in a bit
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21:58 πŸ”— ola_norsk specifically task_id=783333772
21:58 πŸ”— JensRex My storage server is still using 2*2 TB disks :/
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21:59 πŸ”— JAA JensRex: Similar here, two 2 TB and two 1 TB disks.
22:00 πŸ”— JensRex 4 TB external for backups.
22:00 πŸ”— ola_norsk i accentidentally mixed to items, issued an delete all on the latest; But seems like around 200+ of that channels videos are removed since yesterday.
22:01 πŸ”— JAA I'll probably get some ST8000AS0002 (Seagate Archive 8 TB) drives soonish, but I might wait a bit more until the Exos 5E8 become available, hoping that the older model's price decreases a bit.
22:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk anyway, no worries, just wondering if it would be possible to recall the delete all on an item
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22:29 πŸ”— bithippo @JensRex: I have a 1.5TB Seagate spinning disk you can have for freesies if you want.
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22:34 πŸ”— Kaz ooh, I found 8TB seagate archive drives for Β£21/TB
22:34 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, that sounds about right.
22:35 πŸ”— Kaz or Ironwolf Pro's for Β£27.50/TB
22:35 πŸ”— JAA They have been around that price here for several months.
22:35 πŸ”— Kaz I haven't been paying attention then
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22:37 πŸ”— JAA Here != UK, maybe that's a first for the UK, not sure.
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23:42 πŸ”— JensRex bithippo: Thanks, but I think I have something stored away in The Box Of Things.
23:43 πŸ”— bithippo No worries, slowly parting out my own Box Of Things.
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