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CoolCanukno ola_norsk. No such feature exists if you simply give wayback a hashtag
you need a url
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ola_norski did find some kind of official twitter "archive" thingy a few days ago i think [00:04]
what i've been doing is cronjob with curl request to e.g https://web.archive.org/save/https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?f=tweets'
i did send a mail some days ago, asking if that was ok to run every 5 minutes, but no answer yet
i would of course stop it if told to
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ola_norskCoolCanuk, https://pastebin.com/gLeWv3Nx
this is the mail i wrote to info@archive.org on the now 27th https://pastebin.com/eAvruxHv
i figured i would be better to ask, even if it might get "Are you crazy!?" in response :D
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CoolCanukif it wasn't allowed, a big company like archive would prevent it
open access, should, be open access.
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ola_norskare they a big company though?
if they are, i kind of regret having donated 5USD :d
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?f=tweets
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astridIA isn't a big company [00:25]
CoolCanukthey have multiple offices, as far as I know [00:25]
astridthey're a nonprofit with 200 employees worldwide [00:26]
ola_norskits non-profit organization
aye
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CoolCanuklots of things are non profit. Salvation Army, PBS, etc. ;)
nvm. salvation army isnt
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ola_norski was about to write that :D [00:27]
CoolCanukthey sure do an incredible job making you think they are, though :) [00:27]
ola_norskif there is one religiously oriented org i might (and have) donate to, it's salvation army [00:28]
astridhttps://www.thestranger.com/seattle/dont-donate-to-the-salvation-army/Content?oid=11182500 [00:29]
ola_norsk:/
i do doubt they spend any money on anti-gay activism though
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CoolCanukomg. I never thought about that
it's one thing to have an opinion, another to (waste) money to push that
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astridthey've kicked out homeless queer people whom i know for being queer [00:31]
CoolCanukI've heard of that [00:31]
ola_norskin fact, i actually knew a gay salvation army officer..According to him, only thing he was not allowed to was be officially married trough the state church to another man [00:31]
astridastrid afk [00:31]
ola_norskmaybe their policy vary i dont know
they do good works though, better than the majority of organisations
IMO
they sure as hell could improve on that shit though
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bsmith093https://archive.org/details/fanfictiondotnet_repack https://archive.org/details/Fanfictiondotnet1011dump https://archive.org/details/Fanfictiondotnet111million https://archive.org/details/fanfictiondump112 https://archive.org/details/Fanfictiondump113 https://archive.org/details/fictionpress-partial-save-2017 https://archive.org/details/AO3_story_dump1of5_ish All have metadata sql databases. Still going. I'll have all of it ev [00:38]
odemgJAA, re;PSNDL did you just grab the site with ab and do we want the package files? [00:38]
ola_norskastrid: i look at it this way, they might oppose gay marriage, but they have no problem bringing food to a gay homeless person or even couple in dire need of help [00:38]
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astridi'm not going to discuss this in here [01:14]
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godanethe latest tapes uploads: https://www.patreon.com/posts/digitize-tapes-15638312 [01:50]
CoolCanukAs always, thank you for your hard work, godane :) [01:57]
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godanehere is Ajit Pai on glenn beck : https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/11-30-17-repealing-net [03:40]
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godanei'm uploading one of marshillchurch videos i still have and is not uploade
i think its cause i got a slowdown error at the time
also here is something i forgot to upload: https://archive.org/details/marshill.com-media-sermons-20141016
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godanei'm reuploading this item: https://archive.org/details/marshillchurch-audio-20141116
the item page was create but mp3 is not there
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ndiddyanyone else notice how yahoo groups has been down for a few days now
the site "works" but you cant access any content
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godanethe mp3 is finally uploaded
20141116_episode-12_sd_audio.mp3: ISO Media, Apple QuickTime movie, Apple QuickTime (.MOV/QT)
there was a bad content error with this file
when uploading with my script
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bithippo@godane What script were you using to upload? [05:28]
godanemy bash script uses curl [05:31]
bithippoMight try https://github.com/jjjake/internetarchive if you're on OSX or Linux [05:32]
godanei use my bash curl script cause its what i know [05:32]
bithippoNo problemo [05:37]
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godanei have to download the realmedia files for 2002-03 All Things Considered [05:54]
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Somebody2SketchCow: Glad the descriptions are of use. I know they are somewhat simple, but I'm not sure what else to add in various cases.
I'll fill in some more now.
Ah, looks like they are done.
Hm, no, the search was just wrong.
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Somebody2I'm not sure I can figure out descriptions for the rest. [06:18]
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CoolCanukI emailed archive.org because one of my items is missing a lot of files. Has anyone experienced this kind of thing before? They day I deleted the files.. There is no way I deleted 1300+ files by accident
*day= say
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godaneSketchCow: i can't upload to FOS for some reaons
*reason
Error: Could not write to socket: Broken pipe
even after starting gftp it still doesn't work
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JAAodemg, dxrt: I grabbed PSNDL when it was closed, i.e. only the "donate plz!" message. I think we should grab the packages as well, but maybe not through ArchiveBot as they can be huge (I guess?) and might crash the pipeline. [09:49]
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odemgJAA, I wouldn't say 'huge' but some maybe 10-20GB? [10:39]
JAAYeah, that's already too big for most ArchiveBot pipelines. Remember that wpull writes the file to disk three times temporarily.
But the job is running on one of the big pipelines now, and it is downloading the packages despite --no-offsite-links.
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JAA"Der nächste bitte..." Amazon.de discontinues the unlimited cloud storage as well.
(Gasp!)
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godaneso the 2nd gdc 1999 keynote tape looks better then the first one
also this tape looks less dark
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jrwrso I got my 6502 badge to play chess with it self, man digging up old basic books / learning 6502 opcodes was hard [13:16]
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godanei'm capturing the best of snl steve-martin tape [14:03]
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SketchCowgodane: Drive filled. Again.
Fixing
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SketchCowodemg: If you have a moment. [15:46]
odemgI do [15:46]
godanemore digitize tapes uploaded: https://www.patreon.com/posts/digitize-tapes-15648736 [15:55]
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ola_norskis there a way to use the ia command tool to modify the "format" of a file in an item? Got an item where some files are detected to be audio and videos when they are not. [16:09]
ive tried the following: ia metadata 2813_d64_C64_roms_wwwC64com --target=Metal_Warrior_3.d64 --modify=format:Unknown
but, it doesn't seem to make any difference, the file is still listed as 'DV Video'
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SketchCowI'll ask jake [16:27]
ola_norskthat command does report back 'success' (2813_d64_C64_roms_wwwC64com - success: blablablablaurl), and, it does seem to queue a task on the item. But after trying twice, i can't see any changes to the item page. [16:29]
Somebody2CoolCanuk -- wait, even after you sent them the log that shows all the files, then a failure?
This is the log, for reference: https://catalogd.archive.org/log_show.php?task_id=786666690&full=1
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ola_norskSketchCow: Thanks. I'm not sure if i'm using the tool incorrectly, or if something is going wrong. the log showing the attempts is here https://catalogd.archive.org/history/2813_d64_C64_roms_wwwC64com . [17:16]
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ola_norskSketchCow: So i'll halt trying for now, in fear of messing up the item even more than it is. [17:17]
CoolCanukis it possible to recover deleted files on archive.org?
(files as part of an item)
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ola_norskCoolCanuk, i think i have have managed to cancel deletion tasks that were queed, by using "Change Files" . But not sure about a situation where the files are already deleted. [17:25]
CoolCanukarchive.org said I deleted the files. No way I deleted 1300+ files by accident [17:26]
ola_norskcheck item history, if the tasks are not already run, i've found that e.g adding a dummyfile will halt deletion [17:27]
CoolCanukalready deleted [17:27]
ola_norskthen i don't know [17:28]
arkiverthere should still be an item history
CoolCanuk: what is your item
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CoolCanukarkiver: https://archive.org/details/Metro-Winnipeg ... archive.org says I "deleted files via UI" and linked me to this https://catalogd.archive.org/log/787318855 . https://catalogd.archive.org/log/786666690 has a "fatal error" Thanks!
1300 files deleted via ui would take ... hours, and i'd recall doing so
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arkiver786666690 is just a derive problem, it is a problem with your file, the log contains enough information
I find the __ia_spool/ strange in https://archive.org/download/Metro-Winnipeg
do you know what files were deleted?
I'm guessing the files listed in 786666690 were before the deletion]
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CoolCanukbasically all of them were deleted except 46 [17:55]
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ola_norskSketchCow: i did another attempt, where i included quoatationmarks as shown in the ia docs. But it did not seem to make any more difference than without (ia metadata 2813_d64_C64_roms_wwwC64com --target="Metal_Warrior_3.d64" --modify="format:Unknown") [18:43]
CoolCanukformat:Unknown ? [18:57]
ola_norskCoolCanuk, yeah, the files are Commodore 64 floppydisk formats, but 100+ files seem to have become incorrectly detected as either AAC or DV files. Not really a huge problem if it weren't for it causing derived audio files that are bogus.
CoolCanuk: Worst case scenario, i could change the format in the browser, but the Item xml manager is slow as h*ll in my browser when there's 2000+ files :/
CoolCanuk: I just uploaded it in case of someone finding it useful in relation to concatenating any missing file into a legit C64 collection. Maybe some of the roms are even present in the Arcade.
CoolCanuk: D64 files are to commodore 64 floppy's as ISO's are to compact discs, i guess.
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CoolCanuk: if you have not checked it out already, https://archive.org/details/internetarcade :D
https://archive.org/details/internetarcade&tab=about
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CoolCanuki'm only 20 years old :P [19:20]
ola_norskwell, just because you're kind of flawed in the age-department doesn't make the games any less awesome :d [19:21]
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CoolCanuk:P
if I grew up with Super Mario 64, anything less is .. eh
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bithippoI used to play Atari games off of cassette tapes pre-teen. I officially feel old :D [19:24]
CoolCanuk:P [19:25]
bithippohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrBm-CeIfVs [19:26]
ola_norskbithippo, i saw a youtube video the other day where the author said "Seriously, who's ever heard of games on cassettes??"..I shed a tear over it lol [19:26]
bithippoI'm sure they can hear our outrage over acoustic coupler lol [19:26]
ola_norskhttps://youtu.be/vTSztNT4hys "Save Game - The Emularity and the Future of Infinite Game" [19:27]
CoolCanukxd
i havent actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Pico this was pretty fun.... when it didnt freeze
tv leapfrog basically
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ola_norskif there's emulators for it..somewhere, some geek have the romdumps :d
http://www.segaretro.org/PicoDrive
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CoolCanukye [19:32]
ola_norskthe freezing might be due to the hardware, maybe the emulators even does it better [19:32]
CoolCanukyeah. it was hardware [19:32]
ola_norskyou might want to check if anyone is archiving Sega Pico stuff, if not, might be worth making it a 'quest' :D
i've never even heard of it before today
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ndiddyseems like it would be really annoying to emulate
you need scans of the little books built into the cartridges
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ola_norskmaybe someone already scanned them
i have no clue about the Sega Pico whatsoever. But since there's even an emulator, that means some wierd people actually cared about it :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20071023200810/http://www.finalburn.com:80/mobile/source.html
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https://web.archive.org/web/19961220004430/http://www.sega.com/products/hardware/pico/storyware/index.html [19:59]
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schbiridi love coming back from work and be whatever-lined because fucking efnet still does not know about dynamic ip addresses
why are we on this shit network again?
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astridlol [20:03]
ola_norskit does not reconnect automaticly? [20:06]
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schbiridola_norsk: my client? sure https://pastebin.com/raw/wWMJG49d [20:09]
ola_norskouch
how quickly does your ISP rotate the ip's ?
i have dynamic ip as well, but not really tested how long it would take
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schbirid24h
like most of europe
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ola_norski am in norway, so i'll try not closing my client and see what happens.
but https://www.unrealircd.org/
not sure who could host it though. I have access to one connection that has static ip, but it's not in my house, but i might be able to place a shit computer there.
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JAASingle point of failure, whooo! [20:15]
ola_norsk;)
lightning and storms here would make it very shit :D
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JAAWe could build our own network and have lots of fun debugging connectivity issues! [20:18]
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ola_norski did set up an unrealircd once, but then ONLY for a crap webchat thingy made in flash that i can't remember the name of [20:19]
JAAI'm not sure why we're here either. I hate it as well. Maybe it's because this is the original IRC network or whatever. [20:19]
ola_norsknetworked servers i have no idea about [20:20]
JAAI don't know much about it, just that it can be a massive PITA. [20:20]
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JAAEspecially since those servers wouldn't be inside a nice, controlled network, but distributed across the globe. [20:21]
ola_norskadding a server to the network would require contacting the admin of some server(s) already connected, yes? [20:23]
ezwell, not necessarily
look up history of anet. efnet is called 'eris free' because yea, the authority over the network is not anarchy.
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ola_norskez: could the issue that schbirid mention depend on the indivial server(s) he's connecting to? [20:25]
schbiridits people doing shit on efnet while on dynamic ips [20:26]
ezwho knows [20:26]
schbiridwhich they then kline [20:26]
eznetworks ban you all the time
if its not irc, its cloudflare
theres usually good reason
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schbiridand then the other person who gets the ip is fucked [20:26]
ezlike network infected by some sort of botnet
schbirid: rotated ips are annoying tho. it shouldnt do that unless you restart the modem, it should retain the lease
having new ip every day is rather unusual.
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schbiridare you from the US? [20:27]
JAAIt's pretty normal in mainland Europe at least. [20:28]
ezJAA: tbh, the only place i've seen this as being normal is china and vietnam
mostly because their CPEs are so shitty they restart every 6 hours, and don't have dhcp leases whatsoever, its a new ip every pppoe dial
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schbiridlol [20:30]
ezanyhow, this is hardly an issue. things like cgnat are far more annoying
and unlike misconfigured dhcp, theres reason good reason for nat
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jrwripv6 roll out FTW [20:32]
ezyep [20:32]
jrwrpeople and their home routers that don't have ANY firewall rules on
by default
where they should be default deny inbound
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ezyea the v6 security is a bit of a disaster waiting to happen
currently the biggest surface is teredo tunnels
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jrwrand what about upnp and automated port forwarding [20:33]
ezeven fucking microsoft considers the teredo prefix as "local" network [20:33]
jrwrlol [20:33]
ezdoent filter remote peers from knocking on anything [20:33]
jrwrcould be a whole defcon talk [20:33]
ezworse still, its fairly easy to scan for teredo peers [20:34]
jrwrabout someone getting side a corp network doing that [20:34]
ezsome faggot will do it eventually
its not like its that prevalent, was like 100k ips last time i scanned this shit
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astridoi, don't use faggot derogatorily [20:34]
not in here, not anywhere [20:39]
schbiridwow https://github.com/eth0izzle/bucket-stream [20:39]
ola_norskNo offence intended. But, does not most people distinguish between gay people and 'faggot' ? Though i can't see what 'faggot' has to do with scanning of peers. [20:42]
jrwrschbirid: should I just start auto archiving anything found using that [20:43]
schbiriddefiniteiyl not [20:43]
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jrwrfound one already that has 20k files in it, all passports and shit
in like 30s flat
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astrid-_-
ola_norsk, ez: it's not up for debate
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ola_norskthat is 100% fine by me, it's not in my vocabulary [20:45]
ezola_norsk: PC sure can be confusing. fag used to mean "the worst", but it got appropriated by the us as a slur for queer people [20:55]
FroggingI thought it meant ciggy
(in the UK)
:v
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ezyea, cig butts [20:56]
ola_norskez: i thought it used to mean 'bundle of sticks', and origin of 'faschi' (meaning the same)
but anyway
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ezi suppose that could be the original etymology yea [20:57]
ola_norskit's appreciative there's warning and not simple wordlist kick+ban though [20:59]
schbiridstfu [20:59]
ola_norskok [21:00]
ezola_norsk: its not that hard to escalate up to that. one can simply argue policing US english on non-us persons is a form of cultural colonialism. [21:03]
ola_norskez: in my opinion, what is in English called 'banter' is an important part of social relations and interaction. But yeah, this is sorely off-topic to say the least :D [21:08]
jrwrwell it IS the off-topic channel [21:08]
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Froggingwe're supposed to talk about archiveteaming pizzahut [21:08]
jrwrlol [21:08]
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bithippo@jrwr You report that bucket?
With PII passport data?
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jrwrYa
emailed it off to AWS Support
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bithippoCool. [21:36]
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CoolCanukpizzahut is dying? wot [21:57]
ola_norskSketchCow: I decided to post an issue regarding my previously mentioned trouble the 'ia' tool, in case it's not my fault https://github.com/jjjake/internetarchive/issues/228 [21:57]
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astridi'm sorry for being short-tempered in archiveteam channels lately
there's a lot more new people here than we usually get all at once and i'm feeling overwhelmed
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ola_norskskål! :D
astrid: someone has to be one holding the scallywags by the ears :d
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astridwell i have a hot date in a few hours so yes, drinking and happiness is in my future :P [23:26]
ola_norskgood stuff [23:27]
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ola_norskwhat kind of items does fit into Internet Archive? i mean, what emulated platforms are there. Or, are each item having to be individually tailored to run?
e.g could an Atari 2600 item simply be downloaded, have it's rom and thumb changed: and it would run as emulated item?
i guess what i'm asking is: is it purely curated?
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astridemulators are more or less manually made [23:37]
ola_norski mean with the JSMESS
anyway, i hope there's a jsmess collection of c64 soon on IA :D
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ezcopyright standing in the way of internet archeology yet again [23:39]
ola_norskblast [23:39]
ezi wonder what policy IA actually adopts, obviously they cant say so in public, but is it possible to skirt in some cases (say, for abandonware? [23:40]
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JAAI think the policy is "don't do anything about it until the copyright holder complains". [23:41]
ezneat [23:41]
ola_norskabandonware SHOULD be abandonware. [23:41]
JAAWhich I guess will very rarely happen for abandonware. [23:41]
astridall this speculation gets old quick, folks
IA is good people
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ola_norskaye [23:41]
ezola_norsk: silence, or mickey mouse his assasins [23:41]
JAAYou're good, so it has to be true. :-) [23:41]
ez*sends his
JAA: depends on whos IP this is
the likes of nintendo can be particularly asinine about it
[23:41]
JAAYeah, of course it depends.
But there's tons of content out there created by small companies which disappeared a long time ago. Very unlikely anyone will ever complain about those.
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ola_norskez: they do like to re-sell their ancient shit to people who've already bought it (in spite of many consumer rights laws) [23:43]
ezola_norsk: yea, im conflicted whether things like GOG are helping or not [23:43]
ola_norskez: GOG does actually try to register copies of games that people alredy own on steam
ez: it does not cover alot of games though, yet
ez: i can't remember the name for their solution, give me a sec. But basically it entails logging into GOG with Steam account.
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JAAGod, I hate websites which have infinite scrolling *and* put links in a footer which also scrolls... [23:52]
ola_norskez: 'GOG Connect' it is/was called : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY&ab_channel=Christiaan008 [23:52]
JAA(vid.me) [23:52]
ola_norskouch wrong link
ez: https://vid.me/IyqDZ
man, ctrl+v is a security issue :d
LowBudgetGaming is awesome btw
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JAALet's play with some numbers regarding vid.me here. They use random five-digit base62 codes for the videos as far as I can tell. So there are around 916M possible combinations, only ~1.3M of which are used. Bruteforcing is useless. [23:55]
ola_norskez: anyway, before i forget to wrap up my point: GOG Connect does/did allow Steam copies to get added to your GOG..and THAT is quite user friendly compared to other services i'd say [23:57]

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