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CoolCanukwiki seems better :O [00:03]
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SketchCowWow, CoolCanuk - that's.... not quite how I'd have uploaded those texts, item name wise [02:22]
CoolCanukHowdy. The title or id?
I can reupload them properly if you want. But I'm not sure what the "best way" is to name them.
how the heck did it get added to newspapers?!
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SketchCowI added them [02:26]
CoolCanukoh
the guides are not newspapers.
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SketchCowThey're all called coolcanu* so there's no way to know [02:26]
CoolCanukthe title :) [02:27]
SketchCowmmmm.
Not how it works in the system
Anyway, do better next time.
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CoolCanukI can't do better if you can't tell me what they should be named as
I put in over 4 days of effort to get and upload those files. I want to make it right but it's hard to get advice
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SketchCowMmm
Yes, please snap at me
That has always worked
And let's have a "days of effort" competition
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CoolCanukI didn't intent to come across that way. Would you like me to delete and reupload? [02:30]
SketchCowYou can't delete.
https://archive.org/details/@starbritescanz
yay
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Somebody2I suspect a better identifier name would be one that clarified the subject more, and likely included the date. [03:24]
CoolCanukThanks so much! I will use that next time. I really appreciate the help :D [03:25]
Somebody2Eh, I do what I can. [03:37]
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jrwrAwesome SketchCow [04:12]
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CoolCanukSketchCow: can I continue to upload papers (properly) like I've done, or will they likely be removed later (eg: not public domain/cc)? [04:30]
Somebody2Eh, don't rely on them being available for you to download again, but I don't think that's a sufficient reason not to upload things. [04:32]
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CoolCanukI am sorry for uploading wrong. I will try harder nex ttime
*next
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do I need to request any type of disclaimer if it shows "sensitive content"? or nah [05:05]
Somebody2No. [05:06]
CoolCanukokay :D [05:07]
Somebody2IA allows random people to upload random things. There's nothing you (or anyone else) *needs* to do; all filtering is post-facto.
It is *nice* if the uploader adds as much metadata as possible, and uses a descriptive identifier -- but it isn't a "need".
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CoolCanukit's not beheading or anything crazy. it's nazis, hitler, weapons, mentioning of fallen soldiers,
ah ok. so only description is what i can do?
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bitspillCoolCanuk: what sorts of Nazi, Hitler, etc content do you have? [05:51]
CoolCanukecks dee
https://archive.org/details/RemembranceDay2006TributeSoldiersCry
it's like no more than 10 seconds
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bitspillOk, thanks. Not quite what I was hoping for but I'll save for later. [05:54]
CoolCanuk:P [05:54]
bitspillI've been seeking out WW2 combat reports and old footage [05:54]
CoolCanuksorry to disappoint
it appears to be war footage. Unlikely it was set-up.
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bitspillWasn't sure if you had casualty reports from the 40's or something [05:54]
CoolCanukbut again like 10 seconds :P and the "march" is easily findable
sadly no
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bitspillAll good. I'll find it elsewhere someday
More and more though it seems I'll have to be getting it from NARA in St Louis
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CoolCanukdepressing facebook. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IjBGVPdY/image.png [06:02]
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mr_archivHi, I am new here.
I have taken in interest in the #webroasting project, I found a few additional websites.
s/in interest/an interest
Should I discuss this on #webroasting? I did not see any activity in the logs so that is why I am asking here first.
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IglooHi, I'm not sure what the status of that project is [10:26]
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Jonhmmm wonder if we've got linux journal all sorted [11:05]
IglooIt's in archivebot [11:06]
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godane!ao https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/las-vegas-teens/
its in archivebot now
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SketchCowgodane: Is there a chance you could photograph the labels of the tapes you were sent? [15:47]
godanei don't have a camera [15:52]
sec0ndCan I have archive bot permissions? [16:06]
IglooJoin the channel
If you join sec0nd i'll voice you
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sec0ndWhich channel? [16:15]
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Igloo#archivebot [16:17]
sec0ndSeems there is no way to register nicks with Efnet how do I make sure I always have my nick? [16:21]
Jonimussec0nd: you don't [16:22]
sec0ndseems rather insecure [16:22]
JonimusEFnet is the lawless west [16:22]
sec0ndwhy did #archiveteam not use freenode? [16:22]
Kazfreenode sucks [16:28]
sec0nddoesn't seem so bad to me [16:35]
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ola_norskhi. Anyone know if waybackmachine prunes captures down to nearest hour?
if so, there's little use in me doing captures of a twitter hashtag every 3rd minute :/
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JAAI don't think it prunes them, but it certainly does seem like it only *displays* one capture per hour in the list. [17:27]
ola_norskaye [17:27]
JAA... with no way to get a full list, as far as I can see.
Which is super annoying.
Also, the arrows in the top bar no longer lead to the previous/next capture as they used to, but to the previous/next *date*.
So if you want to go through the captures, you probably have to manually modify the URL.
E.g. decrement in 1-minute steps until you're redirected to the next earlier capture.
Maybe the API returns all captures, haven't checked.
I wanted to write to IA about this months ago but forgot about it.
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ola_norskyeah, been wondering about making some python script that reads the twitter page, grabs all urls found, check trough the wayback json thingy if it already exist, then request that url trough their /save/ thingy if does not exist.
still gonna let it run though, and hope they dont actually prune
it says currently today 88+ captures, so
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JAAYeah, exactly. I strongly doubt they do. [17:31]
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schbiriddoesnt ia get a full twitter feed anyways? [18:00]
zinoThe library of Congress gets the full feed. I don't know of anyone else that does. [18:03]
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zinoI see it's the time of year we throw some money at IA. [18:08]
FroggingI'm fresh out of money [18:08]
ola_norsklet me know if it does so
doesn't library of congress go to IA?
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zinoUnlikely
Library of Congress ingests the data but blacks it out until it's historical.
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JAAFrogging: Yeah, Christmas definitely seems like the perfect time to ask for donations, since nobody's spending their money on anything else around this time of the year. [18:10]
ola_norskzino: that sounds like bogus thing to do
zino: "Let's us decide what is history worthy"-kind of thing :/
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zinoNo, it's standard practise in a lot of historical archiving. It's not decideing what is history worthy, it's keeping it blacked out for a set amount of time to avoid complaints and demands to redact personal information. Many institutions handle it that way. [18:13]
ola_norskhttps://youtu.be/NdZxI3nFVJs
still bogus i think, since complaints and demands, basically reactions would IMO also be history
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JAAzino: Surely the tweets from many years ago should be considered historical by now (technology evolving fast etc.). But as far as I know, the archives are not accessible anywhere, are they? [18:14]
ola_norsk"you can't see this yet"...that's a bit shady IMO
(i think i just used 'shady' in it's correct definition for the first time, ever) :D
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zinoJAA: I don't know if LoC even has the infrastructure to search their own twitter database yet. My bets are on no.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/can-twitter-fit-inside-the-library-of-congress/494339/
Ah, the embargo is only supposed to be six months.
But deleted posts will not be visible.
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ola_norskmhm
zino: would tweets from deleted or banned twitter accounts be there?
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zinoNo idea.
Oh, you can buy a full feed.
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ola_norskyeah lol
how much for every tweet containing "#netneutrality" ?
:d
it's how twitter makes a lot of money :)
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there was a research done not that long ago, about "internet harrasment"; There's is no doubt in my mind that that research institution/department simply said "Hey twitter! give us all the tweets containing any of these words"
for money, of course
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zino: you know that "if you have a room of monkeys with typewrites for an infitie time; eventually they would reproduce a shakespear work" , right? :D
makes one think of twitter lol :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
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it would require a "total library" though... [18:46]
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"but for every sensible line or accurate fact there would be millions of meaningless cacophonies, verbal farragoes, and babblings. Everything: but all the generations of mankind could pass before the dizzying shelves—shelves that obliterate the day and on which chaos lies—ever reward them with a tolerable page." [19:01]
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ola_norskwhat could be the closest thing to an Internet Archive 'pitch deck' presentation, other than the entire site itself?
some sum-up video etc.
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it's a shame i can take a 3 minute walk, and go into my local museum, where they literally moved old buildings and log-cabins into, to preserve them..and yet Archiving TODAY seems very much less priotizied [19:25]
astridthings aren't valued until they are old
part of the social role of an archivist is to safeguard things that are not yet old
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ola_norskbut shit dissapears in basically 14 days now-a-days :/ [19:27]
astridyes
this is why archiveteam exists
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ola_norskaye [19:28]
astridit feels sisyphean sometimes
but it is what we do
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ola_norskthe benefit of internet is that it can be copied though. No need to dismantle it and carry it to some other location.
i like this slogan 'Memories give meaning' http://sunnhordland.museum.no/about/
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astrid"no need to dismantle and carry" ... i take it you haven't moved a website to different infrastructure :P [19:32]
CoolCanukjust fyi, if you try to archive that site, it need javascript :( ola_norsk [19:32]
ola_norsklol...
but just imagine, every building seen in these photos stood somewhere else .. http://sunnhordland.museum.no/heim/om-museet/tun-samlingar/sunnhordlandstunet/
dismantled from farms etc. , moved, reassembled, and then kept
that's some wget stuff
this one isnt't from the same freakin island.. http://sunnhordland.museum.no/heim/om-museet/stolmastovo-sunnmus/
*even
and yet, internet archiving..nah, that's something too expensive perhaps..
the upkeep of these buildings though..
mind, that's a very, VERY, small musuem in norway
for some reason, we norwegians seem to like keeping old shit around. It's why i think it wouldn't take much convincing of government getting a mirror location of IA here.
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CoolCanukI wonder if the Canadian government could be convincee
d
(very likely)
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ola_norskisn't there already a canadian mirror? [19:45]
arkiveryes [19:46]
CoolCanukomg I could be a book scanner
*drools*
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astridi have a book scanner, it's a nice machine but gets boring quick :P [19:46]
CoolCanukjobs a job [19:47]
astridyeah
also i keep taking time off scanning, to hack on the processing pipeline
so i dont get much scanning done
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CoolCanukwonder if I could use a DSLR camera to book scan [19:49]
ola_norskhumans suck; There's now sex robots and probes on other planets..But nothing to flip a damn page on a book :/ [19:50]
CoolCanukthere are mobile apps, which auto detect pages, but the quality wont be that great. A DSLR could work..
some DSLRs let your use it as a "webcam"
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astridgo to youtube and search for "linear bookscanner" [19:51]
CoolCanukO_O [19:51]
astridi chose to get one of the ones where you have to sit, though, because the linear style has a spoil rate of one page per about ten books
and i have mostly rare books
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CoolCanukso THATS how they dont fk the book spine up xD
I have a book from like 1996.. wonder if I could upload it
it's still under copyright :/
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ola_norski have a copy of the Snorre's Saga that's older than any person i know. But it's in pretty bad shape. Is there anywhere i could send that SAFELY, and FREE, to get scanned? [19:55]
CoolCanukhere's the book :P https://www.amazon.ca/Cybersurfer-Owl-Internet-Guide-Kids/dp/1895688507 [19:55]
ola_norskthat's the coolest cover i've seen :d
stole it! https://web.archive.org/web/20171204200525/https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51JWT1RGVHL.jpg#
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CoolCanukthe cover isnt what it looks like in real life
it looks ... better in real life.. that has like.. 50% of the color removed or something
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ola_norski know, internet is much cooler :D https://youtu.be/Bmz67ErIRa4 [20:09]
are there any book-scanning locations to send books to to get them scanned? preferrably for free. Talking about a book that should probably belong to national museum. So can't really ship it by fedex etc. :/ [20:19]
astridsooooo if you can't fedex it then how are you going to ship it [20:20]
ola_norskthat's why i am asking what locations there are :/ [20:21]
recognized, well-known book-scanning facilities in northern-europe or preferably scandinavia; I guess that is what i am asking about
if any such place previously have scanned for IA
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ola_norskSeems like national library nb.no is the place to contact :D
btw, is this collection on IA? https://www.nb.no/search
(i wouldn't be surprised if access from outside of norway is restricted/blocked)
https://www.nb.no/search?mediatype=bilder
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how can i detect if a file is already present on IA? [20:43]
CoolCanukall I know is search
thats the only way I know of
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ola_norskseems like national library have their own litte internet archive going, but in case IA is any part of this/these https://www.nb.no/english , it's not useful to re-upload it
https://www.nb.no/english/collaboration-projects
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"Pliktavlevering" ..when you're shit is so old the museum just comes along and demands it ;)
i wonder if any other country has that; duty to give :D
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ola_norsk"pliktavleverening" = duty to hand over .. it even got own adress :D
CoolCanuk: those 1300+ e magazines, how did you aquire those?
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CoolCanukI scraped the pdf urls
https://www.readmetro.com/
pick a city, choose archves, pick a date and an "open pdf" button shows.
urls were collected, I put them into Jdownloader
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ola_norskok, it seems like a seriously collection, so i had to ask if you manually collected them as they were released :) [21:02]
CoolCanuknope :) [21:03]
ola_norskwhat did you use to scrape it? [21:06]
CoolCanukhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/web-scraper/jnhgnonknehpejjnehehllkliplmbmhn
small learning curve, and interface isnt the best but works well
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ola_norskthat saves ALL urls on the page? [21:07]
CoolCanukit saves what you tell it to
if you tell it to start at the archive page, click on the image, and gather the pdf url, that's what it will do
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ola_norskcould it scroll a "read more" page? [21:08]
CoolCanukyup [21:08]
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CoolCanukhttp://webscraper.io/tutorials [21:10]
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CoolCanukyou can continue to use chrome while it scrapes. Just don't close the tab [21:11]
ola_norski'd need a headless browser for that. So many times i close shit by even accident
but, it has no problem with lets say ; having to automatically scroll down a twitter page of a certain hashtag?
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CoolCanukshouldnt be [21:17]
ola_norskty [21:17]
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ola_norskCoolCanuk: this, http://webscraper.io/documentation#element-click-selector could be the damn "This is taking a long time..CLICK TO RETRY" twitter shit, right? :D [21:23]
JAAWas about to say, that button is the worst.
And headless browsers exist. Both Chromium and Firefox have headless modes since a few months.
I.e. proper headless browsers, not some frankensteined stuff like PhantomJS.
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ola_norskany way to simulate scroll down? [21:24]
JAAMost likely. I haven't looked at it in detail yet. [21:25]
HarzileinJAA: heh, i kind of wondered if that's how firefox would sweeten the deal for devs w/ xul going away
JAA: so embedding might get easier again as well?
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JAAPossible, but more likely that they just realised that something like this is wanted. Chromium shipped their version of it quite a bit earlier.
Yes, definitely.
PurpleSym has been working on building a grabber with Chromium headless.
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HarzileinJAA: i always had a sweet spot for the kazehakase browser [21:28]
ola_norskone problem with twitter is they fucking t.co url's though. Although, they could easily be written to real urls since the url they point to is always in the alt= property of the links [21:31]
JAAHarzilein: Looks like that project has been dead for years though. :-/ [21:31]
HarzileinJAA: yes. that goes together with bitrots in distributions/port collections that used to have it [21:32]
JAAola_norsk: I wish we could throw t.co into URLTeam. But the codes are way too long to do that. [21:32]
ola_norsk? [21:32]
JAAola_norsk: Archiving link shorteners because they suck. [21:33]
ola_norskhell yeah they are :D [21:33]
JAAIf you want to know more: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=URLTeam and #urlteam [21:34]
ola_norskcan't click on a damn think on captured twitter, without t.co making it fail. Even if the page shows the correct link at hovering over it
some naturally short link do, but i guess if a link that surpasses char limit of tweet is pasted by user, it becomes converted to t.co link
and the actual link is then put in the 'alt=' property of that t.co link
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basically looks like a list of internet MOULD http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=URLTeam#URL_shorteners [21:45]
CoolCanukit should work, yes ola_norsk
I have no used it for twitter
*not
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ola_norskCoolCanuk: this illustrates url shorteners i think http://www.magsfrosta.no/images/svartsopp.jpg .. URL shorteners deserves a latin name.. [22:50]
CoolCanuk:P [22:51]
ola_norskwhat's that shit that rots tents if one pack them while moist?
"hospites putridum" .. that's url shortners
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CoolCanukcan a bureaucrat please delete those pages [22:56]
JAASketchCow: Wiki spam ^ [22:57]
wp494CoolCanuk: use {{Delete}} to flag spam articles for deletion
I'll do it for you
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CoolCanukwhy? The template is blank [22:59]
wp494It adds the "Deleteme" category to those pages [22:59]
CoolCanukWhy not just add it to Deleteme? [22:59]
SketchCowNeat [23:00]
jrwrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdySvd_HIlQ
just watching it now
Your crazy ass suite
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ola_norskfinally a video, i was so bored on #norge
...what if...black light causes cancer.. :/
he's so sued!
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CoolCanuklol [23:03]
(I don't know why the IRC bot reports +1 or -1 but oh well) [23:09]
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ola_norskon a serious not, it worries me to learn the state of it... When someone mailed someone at dataforeningen.no regarding a national mirror , the message back was "I like the idea very much! I know WayBackMachine very well! What else can you tell me about what you're thinking." [23:10]
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JAAThat's the article length (bytes or characters) difference due to your edit. [23:10]
wp494CoolCanuk: it's just relaying the amount of bytes that were changed with your edit, so since yours was just 1 character taken out, it would be -1 [23:10]
CoolCanuk-1 is hardly worth reporting about [23:10]
wp494(in the case of the -1s) [23:10]
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wp494/shrug
it relays everything and it doesn't give any damns about how big or how small edits are
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JAAola_norsk: Nice! [23:11]
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ola_norska representative of dataforeningen.no saying "I like the idea" is not actually a small deal, it's one of the oldest computer thingy techie associations in Europe (and scandinavia)
all that was asked was 'What would be your stand on Norway having a IA mirror'
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CoolCanuki clicked on their site and they retweeted a computer scren photo. NOPE. use the screenshot tool xD [23:14]
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JAASo I'm supposed to take a screenshot of the photo and distribute that. Got it. [23:15]
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CoolCanukI brought up a privacy concern because my college was asking for SIN numbers over HTTP (not HTTPS). Privacy commissioner claimed colleges are not for profit so they won't help me. Even though the college says they have to follow PIPEDA everywhere.
I was so upset lol
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ola_norskthe problem is, i'm just a drunk fuck from an islan out west in norway...So a "pitch deck" would certainly help :/ [23:16]
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ola_norskwhen he asked me; "Have you talked to Brewster Kahle" , i was tempted to write back "who the fuck do you think i am? I just asked about your stance!" [23:19]
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ola_norskanyway, my point is that Den Norske Dataforening are major 'movers-and-shakers' in Norway .. And if they represative say "I really like the idea! What more can you tell me" ..that is not really a small thingy [23:24]
astrid:) [23:24]
ola_norskbut a drunk fuck like me can't really take it further [23:24]
bithippoola_norsk: I'd be happy to put a pitch deck together with IA's blessing
I'd be happy to approach governments for grants on IA's behalf _for free_ actually
Not sure if that's something they'd be cool with? Have to check with someone who has authority in such matters.
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ola_norskbithippo: aye..that would be most helpful
here's what i wrote back btw: https://pastebin.com/raw/RWFYhsCd (translate whoever want's to) :D
google translation https://pastebin.com/raw/nzAZx0RV ..all i did was ask about their stance of the possibility :( suddenly i get questions back. I'm not a boss! :/
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ola_norskgoogle translate is horrible shit... [23:33]
bithippoI would love to get IA EU sponsorship for an EU physical location/mirror [23:34]
ola_norskpfff..EU , that's breaking it apart it seems :D
but yeah
(norway is not member of eu btw)
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sec0ndDoes the archive have full text search?
For the wayback machine mainly and perhaps also the collections
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ola_norsksec0nd: here's for https://archive.org/details/texts?and[]=it%20was%20the%20best%20of%20times
i think WayBackMachine operates on 'keywords' ...whatever that means
prolly means in urls, i don't know
sec0nd: https://web.archive.org/web/*/jimmy%20hendrix
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astridthat searches <title> tags, which is better than nothing [23:44]
ola_norsksec0nd: seems like wayback 'keywords' are words in urls
even better than in just urls then..
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sec0ndThank you [23:44]
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ola_norskis this an 'The Onion' clone? http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-villagers-complain-viagra-plant-fumes-men-dogs-walking-around-hard-ons/
if that's a legit newspaper, i'd like to be irish
"The Irish Post is the biggest selling national newspaper to the Irish in Britain." ..wtf
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CoolCanuki read that too lmao [23:53]
ola_norskno i mean, 'the biggest selling national newpapaer to the Irish IN BRITAIN'...something is fushy about that
fishy*
CoolCanuk: it must be a 'The Onion' clone.. Does viagra 'plants' even produce "fumes" ?? lol
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CoolCanuki dont think it would make sense to have fumes [23:58]
ola_norskaye [23:58]
CoolCanuki dont think any factory for medicine would have fumes..
heat exaust, sure. but shouldnt be fumes unless they're burning trash /bad batches which is NOT permitted
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ola_norskaye.. And where's the lawsuits.. [23:59]
CoolCanukya [23:59]

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