#archiveteam-bs 2017-12-09,Sat

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00:08 🔗 ez maybe separate manga and doujin
00:09 🔗 ez doujin are overwhelmingly porn, manga can be touchy, but is ultimately family friendly
00:09 🔗 ez https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A"doujinshi"
00:09 🔗 ez not bad, but still a spotty collection.
00:10 🔗 ez (obviously nsfw link)
00:15 🔗 * ez is tempted to start archiveteam wiki page "backup exhentai" with "exhentai is the largest doujin collection in the world, close to be raided by police at any moment"
00:15 🔗 ez on a more serious note, has anyone looked into pixiv?
00:20 🔗 ola_norsk ez: i have no idea about manga etc. I just noticed that cover of the young woman apparently trying to saw herself in half with her panty, when clicking a topic on a favorited item :D
00:21 🔗 ez they are essentialy fanfics, porn parodies of popular mechs
00:22 🔗 ola_norsk it's greek to me
00:22 🔗 ez s/mechs/merchs
00:22 🔗 ola_norsk good stuff
00:24 🔗 ez well, by cursory search, thers about 7k of em. am not sure about merit of archiving untranslated ones, when scanlations are available for most.
00:24 🔗 ola_norsk imo, war footage is far less 'suitable' , so i don't really care :D And i hope the people in the chat where i posted https://archive.org/details/manga_Nanshen_Zai_Gebi_Chapter_43 doesn't either :D
00:25 🔗 ez dont worry tho, moral crusaders eventually discover the secret IO stash and pressure it to remove the archives
00:25 🔗 ez seems like about a quarter are lolicon, especially triggering for those types
00:27 🔗 ola_norsk as long as it's not deleted..
00:28 🔗 ez ola_norsk: if youre into war footage, there's of course manga series about that, too: https://www.goodreads.com/series/213331
00:28 🔗 ez with the japanese twist of exploiting wombs to grow alien embryos as weapons
00:28 🔗 ola_norsk ez: nah, i'm just saying it's there..being worse than some cartoon :D
00:29 🔗 ola_norsk i'm not sure if i'm getting my point across :D
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00:29 🔗 kristian_ hi
00:29 🔗 ola_norsk i blame beer! :D
00:29 🔗 ola_norsk hello
00:29 🔗 kristian_ anyone got access to Hathi Trust?
00:30 🔗 kristian_ I can't figure out if this is available to some, or to none ...
00:30 🔗 kristian_ https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015068390882
00:30 🔗 ez ola_norsk: nah, i get what you're saying. though in some regard, i suspect footage of past events is on same grounds or even more deserving to be preserved than controversial fiction.
00:30 🔗 astrid kristian_: i can see it ...
00:30 🔗 astrid and i'm not logged in?
00:30 🔗 ola_norsk today's cartoon is tomorrow's history..
00:31 🔗 astrid it says "rights: public domain in the united states"
00:32 🔗 ez astrid: https://i.imgur.com/HGdDEdL.png
00:33 🔗 astrid here's what i see https://imgur.com/e3sEwz8
00:33 🔗 kristian_ astrid, I mean, if it's available for download for anyone?
00:33 🔗 astrid do you want me to snag it for you or something
00:33 🔗 kristian_ whoa
00:33 🔗 astrid btw hathitrust downsamples images and it pisses me off
00:33 🔗 kristian_ astrid, that would be spectacular
00:34 🔗 ez it wants login to get the pdf
00:34 🔗 kristian_ it is the images I need, not the text
00:34 🔗 kristian_ so best possible quality, please
00:34 🔗 ez HathiTrust (listen to pronunciation) is a partnership of major research institutions and libraries working to ensure that the cultural record is preserved and accessible long into the future.
00:34 🔗 ez >accessible
00:34 🔗 ez well, of course
00:34 🔗 ez its *those* librarians
00:34 🔗 astrid kristian_: do you want particular pages or should i tell it to give me the whole-book pdf
00:35 🔗 astrid particular pages i think i can get in higher-res
00:35 🔗 astrid because hathitrust downsamples images when it creates pdfs
00:35 🔗 astrid because fuck you that's why
00:35 🔗 kristian_ ah
00:35 🔗 kristian_ I need the illustrations for the Carnacki stories
00:35 🔗 kristian_ perhaps you can search for "Hodgson"
00:36 🔗 astrid okay idk i'll have it build me a pdf and then we can figure things out if that's not enough
00:36 🔗 kristian_ wonderful
00:37 🔗 kristian_ the issues of the Idler that are relevant: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May 1910
00:37 🔗 astrid oh i just poked "give me pdf" on the link you gave me
00:37 🔗 astrid which is the entire volume from 1909-oct thru 1910-mar
00:37 🔗 kristian_ so I guess it's volume 36 and 37
00:38 🔗 kristian_ would that be downsampled?
00:38 🔗 astrid beats me
00:38 🔗 astrid i'll schlep it over to you and then you can tell me if it works for you
00:38 🔗 astrid i'm pretty close to leaving work for the day and probably doing something extremely offline
00:39 🔗 astrid how can i get it to you
00:39 🔗 kristian_ you can pm me for my email address?
00:39 🔗 astrid sure or you can just pm me your email address right now :P
00:39 🔗 kristian_ yup
00:40 🔗 kristian_ done
00:40 🔗 astrid apparently the uni i graduated from lets me use hathitrust without any extra fuckery
00:40 🔗 astrid \o/
00:42 🔗 ola_norsk how the hell can it be PD, and still be hard to find?
00:43 🔗 ola_norsk it's almost like people are deleting shit
00:45 🔗 astrid probably a funding issue
00:46 🔗 kristian_ what I don't get is how anything from 1910 can not be total PD
00:47 🔗 ez thats nothing, jstor was routinely paywalling scientific papers from 1800s
00:47 🔗 astrid just because it's PD doesn't mean they'll just GIVE it to you
00:47 🔗 ola_norsk shouldn't it be though? Isn't 70-80years automaticly 'out of copyright' ?
00:47 🔗 ez nobody really knows anymore
00:48 🔗 ez US has literally a domestic mouse as the ultimate of voice authority on copyright
00:49 🔗 astrid lol
00:49 🔗 ola_norsk these people (Lawful Masses / Leonard French's "gang") tend to know shit, but yeah... https://discord.gg/3hvfgEc
00:50 🔗 ola_norsk i think it's about 70-80 years
00:50 🔗 ola_norsk unless one's is up against a slew of highly paid lawyers saying it's not, of course
00:51 🔗 kristian_ I think SketchCow is an authority on this matter
00:52 🔗 ola_norsk i just know Nintendo will be selling fucking Super Mario NES rom for years to come..
00:53 🔗 ez anyhow, time limited copyright is profoundly communist idea. if you accrue a capital, you can collect a rent on it ad nausea too. saying otherwise is against democracy.
00:53 🔗 ez or something along the lines US logic goes.
00:54 🔗 godane SketchCow: the Dragon Pink A Tall of 3 Kitties can't be digitize
00:54 🔗 godane i can't rewind the tape
00:55 🔗 ola_norsk i just know one thing, when the fucker who made is dead and buried, and it's copy-able..it's free game
00:56 🔗 ez well, if you approach the whole capitalism thing as darwinism, it makes perfect sense. dwarin would say that in nature, genome lives on, theres no "hard time limit" on it either, as long it remains object of desire, people will pay for it.
00:56 🔗 ez brb, patenting my dna
00:58 🔗 ola_norsk screw darwin..aren't his books out of copyright btw ?
00:58 🔗 ez (this is all very obviously silly, as well as copyright is - ideas, once published, enter post-scarcity, there cant be monopoly on it, much less economies, it simply violates information theory)
00:59 🔗 ez "information theory" being the filthy pirates like astrid, who robbed a man, in his grave even
01:00 🔗 ola_norsk take his pants as well!
01:00 🔗 ola_norsk and the damn coins they probably put on his eyelids
01:01 🔗 ola_norsk being buried with pants on is a selfish act towards those who freeze to death having no pants
01:02 🔗 ez well, society is built on self-interest. what are you, some sort of altruistic anarchist?
01:02 🔗 ez commie, even?
01:02 🔗 ola_norsk nah, some sort of liberal monarchist (i think) :D
01:03 🔗 ez good. if you're liberal, you'd not deprive a dead man of his right to monopolize access to his work.
01:04 🔗 ola_norsk i find that 'liberal' kind of varies these days :D
01:04 🔗 ez seriously tho, the time limit idea was never good to begin with. if intellectual property is like any other property, why can't you just sell it, or pass a deed of ownership to next of kin before you die?
01:04 🔗 ez i think this is what actually happens with cases like these, it passes as pd only if it remains unclaimed
01:05 🔗 ola_norsk it's ok to pass it on. It's not like a copy destroys the work..
01:07 🔗 ola_norsk dead people can't own property, right? And, is a copy really THAT property anyway?
01:08 🔗 ola_norsk if i copied you hourse, have i stolen it?
01:08 🔗 ola_norsk your*
01:09 🔗 ola_norsk you still have your house..
01:10 🔗 ez well, the legalist concept of copyright seems to be similiar to, say, claims to land. its just a virtual concept recorded somewhere, but you dont factually posess the land. its not something you can put in your pocket.
01:11 🔗 ola_norsk imagine this , the second flute or drum ever made, at the dawn of mankind..was probably made by some douche who copied the idea of his neigbor..
01:11 🔗 ez in economic terms, it's an intangible asset, but hell of a lot civilization depends on that stuff
01:12 🔗 ola_norsk well, they do like flutes and drums it seems
01:12 🔗 ez so its not "you'd not download a card", it should be "you'd not download a corporation" or "legal deeds to intangible asset", if such a thing were actually possible
01:12 🔗 ez trouble is, with information, its trivially possible
01:13 🔗 ez *download a car
01:14 🔗 ez the biggest economy online today is personal information, basically keeping tabs on everyone else. that information has tremendenous value because its not published.
01:14 🔗 ez it sort of emerged as currency because privacy is something people actually value
01:15 🔗 ola_norsk aye.."The goverment is spying on us all!", said someone, on their facebook profile :D
01:15 🔗 ez and facebook et al are essentialy traps to harvest that value. now the interesting bit with copyright and privacy: do you own copyright to your private information?
01:15 🔗 ez meaning if somebody would replicate it without your authorization, that would be copyright infrigment
01:16 🔗 ez confusingly, it seems that private information is not copyrightable, despite being one of the few bits of information holding actual information on account of people trying to naturally keep it secret
01:16 🔗 ez *actual value
01:16 🔗 joepie91 ez: intellectual property is a misnomer; it's a monopoly, not property
01:16 🔗 joepie91 so any kind of property-based reasoning does not hold up
01:16 🔗 ola_norsk im strtuggling to read and write atm (i drink alot). so i need to read this tomorrow.
01:17 🔗 ez joepie91: its a bit fuzzy. monopoly is something that can corner market. you can't corner market with published information.
01:17 🔗 ez you can corner market with secret one, though.
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01:17 🔗 joepie91 ez: no, it's not; a monopoly is something that disallows everybody except for one party from doing something
01:17 🔗 joepie91 market need not be involved
01:17 🔗 joepie91 that is the case for copyright, and it was always designed that way
01:17 🔗 joepie91 originally as a way to recoup investment so as to incentivize contributions to the public commons
01:18 🔗 joepie91 first one worked, latter not so much
01:18 🔗 ez joepie91: the reason why i speak about market is because thats the motivation for copyright.
01:18 🔗 joepie91 in other words: copyright has been about increasing the public commons from pretty much the start, but throughout the years that has been twisted into "right to earn money from work" and other such nonsensical narratives, through lobby groups
01:18 🔗 ez they'd not grant printing rights willy nilly, it was a contract - i and only i get to print this, you get paid money - was the copyright 200 years ago
01:18 🔗 joepie91 ez: no, it's not
01:18 🔗 joepie91 copyrights weren't about the market
01:18 🔗 joepie91 they were about the public commons
01:19 🔗 joepie91 the market monopoly was just a means to an end
01:20 🔗 ez joepie91: public commons?
01:21 🔗 joepie91 ez: yes, as in the total pool of culture and knowledge available to society
01:21 🔗 ez i perceive it by the lens of the era, that is of guilds and market protectionism. those were frequent - for salt, mining, whatever. modern day example is opec.
01:21 🔗 ez is opec a monopoly? yes. does it corner market, ie largely influence market price? yes.
01:23 🔗 ez joepie91: my point is that copyright is not monopoly for monopolys sake, but to specifically extract profit. nobody gives a shit about common goods, this is all driven by self interest.
01:23 🔗 ez it also rationally explains why copyright exists. the only way i see to remove copyright would be to remove that self-interest incentive
01:25 🔗 ez this can be seen recently in china: china used to be very lax of IP law, but as clear winners in certain markets emerge, they have enough clout to impose copyright on others. it's the winners rewriting the rules of the game.
01:34 🔗 ez joepie91: so i looked at the history of copyright and you're right. youre talking specifically about queens anne edict. but copyright predates that by 1000 years
01:34 🔗 ez s/1000/100
01:35 🔗 ez something like renewed queens edict would definitely help now, as copyright reverted back to its original market underpinning
01:36 🔗 ez (same situation seems to have happened with patents)
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03:20 🔗 kisspunch Hey, figured I might as well post here in case anyone wanted to give it a shot: https://bountify.co/deduplicate-git-object-database-git-repos
03:20 🔗 kisspunch Trying to get someone else to do my least favorite step of github archiving
03:20 🔗 kisspunch Deduplicating across repos
03:21 🔗 kisspunch Bounty is $50
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03:54 🔗 ivan kisspunch: are you backing up everyone's forks?
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03:54 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o DFJustin
03:56 🔗 ivan kisspunch: if this duplication is the result of many forks it might make sense to use git's built-in support for pulling from many remotes and let git deal with it
03:57 🔗 ivan s/pulling/fetching/
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06:26 🔗 sec0nd Does the internet archive dedup?
06:37 🔗 Somebody2 sec0nd: not yet, AFAIK. They will likely do so eventually.
06:38 🔗 Somebody2 ez: IA only provides per-file hashes (and sadly, only cheksum, md5 and sha1). However, third-parties have made merkle trees out of the data.
06:40 🔗 Somebody2 The closest to what you were thinking of is this, from OpenTimestamps, I think: https://petertodd.org/2017/carbon-dating-the-internet-archive-with-opentimestamps
06:41 🔗 Somebody2 Also look at http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive_Census
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08:36 🔗 wp494 looks like the wiki's KOed
08:51 🔗 CoolCanuk you sound surpirsed
08:52 🔗 CoolCanuk hmm.. timeout :/ weirid
08:52 🔗 CoolCanuk well, you can pretend its up by viewing https://archiveteam.centralontario.ca/ but it's only the front page :P
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08:55 🔗 CoolCanuk wp494: it's been down since 10pm Eastern Time. Yikes. http://stats.pingdom.com/mrrxflh49tqd/4095229
09:08 🔗 godane so i got maybe 1 tape after the current one i'm ripping
09:47 🔗 Sanqui the wiki gets no love. :(
09:48 🔗 Sanqui CoolCanuk: that's the worst mirror I've seen. there's full wiki backups
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11:05 🔗 JAA SketchCow: There are some files named just "a" in ArchiveBot items archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171208150002 and archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171209030001. Several GB each, haven't looked at them yet. What are they?
11:06 🔗 JAA archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171208200002 as well, but that one is small and was apparently detected as an audio file (transcoding to MP3 and Ogg attempted).
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13:08 🔗 godane so all tapes are done
13:08 🔗 godane *all jason scott tapes
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15:06 🔗 SketchCow Thank you
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17:03 🔗 ola_norsk so, i managed to convert the virtualbox Warrior appliance to a running KVM/libvirt guest. In case someone would like to help improve it there's https://bitbucket.org/duckhuntpr0/archiveteam-warrior-kvm
17:04 🔗 ola_norsk it's kind of wierd how virtualbox crashed, yet kvm does not, on the same machine..
17:06 🔗 ola_norsk i'd like to put it on github as soon as it's not such a mess, but keeping it on bitbucket for now
17:09 🔗 ola_norsk it's gonna need e.g a kind of setup script that alters the xml based on the host pc/user
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19:07 🔗 ola_norsk man, saturday nights, the most boring day on the internet :/
19:09 🔗 CoolCanuk if anyone finds a HQ version of the Windows XP commercial in English, please tell me
19:09 🔗 CoolCanuk "Windows XP commercial Soaring (HQ)" has 9/11 footage at the end and does not count.
19:09 🔗 * ola_norsk goes on the hunt
19:10 🔗 CoolCanuk ola_norsk: ignore Windows XP commercial Soaring (HQ), ok?
19:10 🔗 ola_norsk i'll still listen to it :D i liked xp :D
19:11 🔗 ola_norsk damn Vista. Only reason i bought it was to get Directx 10 :/
19:11 🔗 ola_norsk never again
19:12 🔗 ola_norsk how much quality do you need?
19:12 🔗 CoolCanuk here's the best I've found... but no in english https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy93QjoEKf8
19:13 🔗 CoolCanuk 480 is fine, but all the ones I find are blurry/colors faded/pixaly
19:14 🔗 ola_norsk anyway to find the director?
19:14 🔗 ola_norsk many ad directors or ad companies like to post their shit on their portfolio
19:15 🔗 CoolCanuk ooh. good idea
19:16 🔗 CoolCanuk eh, dont worry about it
19:16 🔗 CoolCanuk however take a look at how fast they skip #6 (vista) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPLEI9EzKs
19:16 🔗 CoolCanuk "oops we really fucked up"
19:19 🔗 ola_norsk It's my strong belief that MS doesn't sell operating system anymore, merely a way to run games
19:19 🔗 ez Somebody2: ah neat, so its all "make your own". well, at least somebody was kind enough to timestamp it.
19:20 🔗 ola_norsk anyway, if there's a portfolio to be found, that might be the ultimitate qualite there is to find .. Example http://www.miskoiho.com/commercials.html
19:21 🔗 ola_norsk ...who keeps advertisment private anyway? :D
19:23 🔗 ola_norsk if there's director name or company..it's somewhere out there
19:33 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: as last resort, i guess there's 4chan or Microsoft PR deparment ? :)
19:39 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: "The product is all about empowerment, and we wanted a song that really brought that spirit to life," said Michael McLaren, a vice president at San Francisco marketing company McCann-Erickson. "It's a very positive track that speaks to the human potential."
19:39 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: got twitter?
19:39 🔗 CoolCanuk why
19:40 🔗 ola_norsk to nag them :)
19:40 🔗 CoolCanuk https://twitter.com/secureht
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19:42 🔗 ola_norsk no, i mean those guys :D I'm banned off of twitter intentionally :D
19:44 🔗 ola_norsk "McCann-Erickson" marketing company seems to be behind that ad
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19:45 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: https://www.mccann.com/
19:45 🔗 CoolCanuk thx
19:46 🔗 ola_norsk just tweet to them: GIMME LINK TO 2001 XP AD! ...
19:46 🔗 ola_norsk they'd be a bit counterproductive if they didn't..
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19:47 🔗 CoolCanuk xD
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19:48 🔗 ola_norsk one problem might be their license for the madonna song expired though :/
19:49 🔗 ola_norsk (probably)
19:50 🔗 CoolCanuk thats fine
19:52 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: i see they also like Vimeo.. https://www.mccann.com/work/makewhatsnext ..don't know their 'channel' there though
19:53 🔗 CoolCanuk :P
19:53 🔗 CoolCanuk https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3dw0lBgz/
19:53 🔗 CoolCanuk oooops
19:53 🔗 ola_norsk 'Vimeo, the video platform for the pretensious' :D
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19:57 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: i'm thinking the creator of that xp ad is in this list https://vimeo.com/user11996412/following/followers/sort:date/format:detail
19:58 🔗 CoolCanuk lol i dont need it that bad
19:58 🔗 ola_norsk pff...XP rocked!
20:01 🔗 ola_norsk 480p was a reasonable resolution for 2001 though...or? :D
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20:09 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: tweet a polite nag to these https://twitter.com/215mccann
20:09 🔗 CoolCanuk lol dont need it badly
20:09 🔗 ola_norsk suit yourself :D
20:10 🔗 CoolCanuk ;p
20:10 🔗 * ola_norsk still gonna hunt for it though..
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20:15 🔗 CoolCanuk not that anyone cares but I think the last time I went to sears.. maybe 6 years ago they played this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZdjT1472Y RIP sears. That's all I rememeber
20:16 🔗 CoolCanuk also sometimes i into the garden, cover myself in dirt and i pretend i am a carrot.
20:17 🔗 ola_norsk the killers rock
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20:17 🔗 CoolCanuk sears perfume department ... not so much
20:18 🔗 ola_norsk i don't think sears is in my country
20:18 🔗 CoolCanuk my asthma is bad enough with all the clothing :P
20:18 🔗 CoolCanuk https://www.sears.ca/
20:19 🔗 ola_norsk what are some newspaper domains that allow reader articles?
20:19 🔗 ola_norsk opinion pieces, i get it's called
20:20 🔗 ola_norsk need some credible sham to email mcann :D
20:21 🔗 CoolCanuk oh
20:22 🔗 ola_norsk 'hi. I'm writing an article on your 2001 windows XP advertisiment'..kind of thing
20:22 🔗 CoolCanuk http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ugc/submission
20:22 🔗 ola_norsk ty
20:22 🔗 jrwr SketchCow: So, Vidme is going to be about 600TB
20:22 🔗 ola_norsk https://youtu.be/9B7npSXQkxE
20:22 🔗 jrwr and we have 6 days
20:22 🔗 ez ouch
20:22 🔗 CoolCanuk anything well
20:22 🔗 jrwr Internet Archive is being too slow in its uploads
20:22 🔗 jrwr We have a box that can upload at 10Gbit/s
20:22 🔗 ez jrwr: its rentable, but would take some sort of angel to pay the ACD bills
20:23 🔗 CoolCanuk (or illegal activity ;) )
20:23 🔗 ola_norsk ez: there's no paypal ?
20:24 🔗 ola_norsk ez: i'd give a dollar or two..
20:24 🔗 CoolCanuk LOL wot
20:24 🔗 ez you need to push around 100TB a day
20:24 🔗 ez literally 10gbits
20:24 🔗 ez you need spot priced cache, forget about donkey ass slow IA
20:25 🔗 CoolCanuk so my city has the largest tesla supercharger station. 20 stalls. No one drives a tesla here, closest tesla dealer is way in toronto. RIP
20:25 🔗 ez thats assuming vidme even lets you fetch at tengig, but it can be hacked up i suppose
20:25 🔗 ez they use cloudfront, dont they?
20:25 🔗 ola_norsk how about just ASKING vid.me to allow certain access for longer? anyone tried that?
20:25 🔗 ez so if its amazon within amazon, bw is not an issue
20:26 🔗 ola_norsk if they're not total dicks..they'd keep it up with allowed access long enough..
20:28 🔗 ez apparently they are dicks "sorry lol, we baleet everything and start over". it sounds like some internal drama which led to MAD between the platform and investors
20:28 🔗 ola_norsk ...it doesn't hurt to ask though..
20:29 🔗 ez hai vidme, could you give me access to your cloudfront dashboard?
20:29 🔗 ez not sure how that would fly
20:30 🔗 ez ola_norsk: but technically yes, its possible to transfer the archive to entirely different entity. if IA approached vidme and asked politely and vidme agreed, that would be awesome. no need to copy anything.
20:30 🔗 ez 600TB cf will still cost some serious bucks tho, even if no bw is burned.
20:31 🔗 ola_norsk how about 'Hi. I loved vid.me. Sad to see it go. Trying to back it up. Any way you could present with me a way to download all the video content?'
20:31 🔗 Kaz we need to grab it live so the WARCs work properly, that's the issue
20:31 🔗 ez their robots.txt doesnt forbid it, its implied.
20:31 🔗 Kaz we've been offered all the data
20:31 🔗 ola_norsk ok
20:31 🔗 ez Kaz: do warc have that kind of storage and bw on aggregate?
20:32 🔗 Kaz WARC is a file type
20:32 🔗 ez ola_norsk: there was never need to negotiate anything actually, all the data is api available
20:32 🔗 ez ah, i thought you mean warrior
20:32 🔗 Kaz we're struggling to find places to put all the data atm
20:32 🔗 Kaz #vidmeh for more
20:32 🔗 ez ah
20:33 🔗 ola_norsk ez: still, i'm talking about access to that data beyond the scheduled shutdown..I struggle to make my point, but i kind of doubt they run format on the disks that very moment..
20:34 🔗 CoolCanuk well, there's no point to them renewing the disks if their site is gone. so it VERY likely wont be online for the next month payment
20:35 🔗 CoolCanuk would you rather put $1000 into servers for no reason, or pocket the $1000? execs will want to pocket it, since the site is inaccessible
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20:35 🔗 ola_norsk anyway, if there's an offer for all the data, i guess that's what i'm talking about
20:36 🔗 kisspunch ivan: yes, but object duplication and fork detection are different, and I expect object deduplication to be much better
20:36 🔗 kisspunch i've already settled on an archival format, this is basically the compression step
20:37 🔗 ola_norsk i remember seeing a Jason Scott talk, where a company was mentioned that basically postponed the date..just to allow archivists to get their shit
20:37 🔗 ez ola_norsk: as i said, its on cloudfront
20:37 🔗 ez meaning, its hosted by amazon
20:37 🔗 ez simplest thing you can do is log in to the console, and transfer the buckets to different account
20:37 🔗 ez ola_norsk: but that would be just to buy time obviously, CF rent is expensive endeavor.
20:38 🔗 ez ola_norsk: yea, presumably this has to do with the vid.me's accounting
20:38 🔗 ola_norsk well shit
20:38 🔗 ez they simply stop paying the amazon's bill
20:38 🔗 ez so sb else has to
20:39 🔗 ola_norsk aye, if it's amazon closing the doors..
20:41 🔗 ola_norsk man, i feel sorry for all those germans who apparently found hope in vid.me
20:45 🔗 ola_norsk some people literally moved their youtube channels..
20:52 🔗 ola_norsk i'm saving AfterPrisonJoe! with youtube-dl https://vid.me/AfterPrisonJoe
20:55 🔗 ola_norsk does 'ia upload <item>' generate item?
21:06 🔗 * ola_norsk just gonna focus on the channels he knows are not dualuploading to YT etc..
21:18 🔗 ola_norsk if it's 600TB, there's no way to pump those to IA in 6 days?
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21:31 🔗 CoolCanuk why the hell does Err:9 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release = 404
21:31 🔗 CoolCanuk thefuck
21:41 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: ?
21:42 🔗 CoolCanuk the debian cdn is making me uproductive with archivin
21:42 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: could it be heavy traffic?
21:42 🔗 CoolCanuk unlikely
21:42 🔗 ola_norsk internet is broken
21:43 🔗 Selavi I use local universities or national labs
21:45 🔗 ola_norsk the whole internet is going up, or down, some hill...it's going somewhere.. https://youtu.be/1VD_pJOFnZ0
21:46 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: if it's not busy mirrors, then i don't know..
21:46 🔗 CoolCanuk yeah idk
21:46 🔗 CoolCanuk if you keep trying, it eventually works
21:48 🔗 ola_norsk aye. It's usually a good idea to use national/nearest mirrors/repositires
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21:49 🔗 ola_norsk e.g , using apt-get towards main ubuntu mirrors can often fail for a day, before they sound off of and suddendly exist again
21:50 🔗 ola_norsk i can imagine they're hit with alot of shit from time to time, especially at security updates
21:53 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: like Selavi said, it might be good to use nearest/local mirror
21:53 🔗 CoolCanuk ye
21:54 🔗 ola_norsk i also use a mirror at a norwegian university
21:54 🔗 ola_norsk canadian can't be much worse :D
21:56 🔗 ola_norsk (psst...if they are..head on over to norwegian mirrors..It's 22:55 here..so everyone is either drunk or asleep) ;d
21:57 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full ...And quit being selfish, use torrent :D
21:57 🔗 CoolCanuk torrent O_O?
21:58 🔗 ola_norsk if it's downloading CD ?
21:59 🔗 ola_norsk beh..nevermind..
22:02 🔗 ola_norsk CoolCanuk: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#CA should solve it though
22:02 🔗 CoolCanuk ya
22:02 🔗 CoolCanuk nah all good
22:03 🔗 ola_norsk all's well that ends well
22:06 🔗 ola_norsk "There's a lot of possbilites as to why the Internet won't exist in it's current state" - Bryan Lunduke
22:07 🔗 ola_norsk no shit..
22:12 🔗 ola_norsk is there a browser that groups tabs? https://imgur.com/a/rZou0
22:12 🔗 astrid what?
22:13 🔗 ola_norsk you know, like in taskbar, where windows are grouped?
22:16 🔗 ola_norsk apply temporary mute when i'm rambling please. It's better than ban :)
22:16 🔗 * ola_norsk is simply bored while downloading vidme videoes
22:17 🔗 ola_norsk downloading to ia upload <item> , that is
22:19 🔗 ola_norsk #vidmeh sounds to have scimped on task delegation, if it's "just" 600TB..
22:19 🔗 ola_norsk was kicked by astrid (temporary mute)
22:19 🔗 astrid lol
22:25 🔗 Kaz the fuck does that even mean
22:25 🔗 astrid means he's drunk
22:26 🔗 astrid told him in pm that he can rejoin whenever, as soon as now
22:55 🔗 Frogging don't drink and archive
22:55 🔗 Frogging :p
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23:13 🔗 ola_norsk 'ia upload <item> *' would fail gracefully if there's no file in '*' , right?
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