#archiveteam-bs 2017-12-18,Mon

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mundusweak spambot [00:27]
JAAQuick though, invited me to #JAAisanigger17 within seconds after the first kickban.
Well, probably that's scripted as well
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t2t2plenty of spamming at #internetarchive right now [00:31]
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hook54321t2t2: Yeah, we should try to get someone to spread the ops there.
JAA: The person running that youtube show apparently isn't the person spamming in the IRC channels.
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JAAWeird
"Hey dude, can you promote my show on EFNet please?"
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hook54321nah, I went onto the stream's live chat and he answered with something about some retard doing it [00:41]
JAAAh [00:42]
hook54321And then someone said "If you're wondering why you're getting spammed this is why : https://pastebin.com/5YD0uLsS"
I don't have time to try to understand what's going on in that cancerous discussion right now though
oh, it's a botnet. https://pastebin.com/GvqPpgMn
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godaneso i got a new vcr and i can capture from it
the only bad news is i its not keeping track of time on tape
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so the cbs wizard of oz tape doesn't get picture on this vcr either
its a 1988 cbs airing of wizard of oz
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ranmahah, i'm getting the weirdest leechers on [MY-RAW] Belle and Sebastian (名犬ジョリィ) TV 01-52 (DVD 640x480 AVC_AAC)
dual audio: japanese and chinese, no subs
just got a leecher from Iran
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godaneso i'm grabbing Motor Sports back issues [02:22]
ranmagotten Oman, Russia, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE [02:22]
godanehttps://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/issues/1925
https://media.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/january-1925/full/2.jpg
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ranmayou're not running into "You have now viewed 0/10 free articles" etc?
or is that only on articles so new?
oh, i guess it's hard to do that with images
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godanethere are not 10 free articles with images
its all free
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ranmanice [02:28]
JAANot really difficult to implement that, but certainly more work than with HTML pages. [02:36]
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godanei'm temped to get this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-40-POLAROID-PRE-RECORDED-VHS-TAPES-SOLD-AS-BLANKS-80S-90S/202151046847
but the only thing i see i want is the 4 tapes with beyond 2000 on them
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SketchCow: when am i getting the label to print to mail back your boxes? [14:38]
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SketchCowI will have the team mail you one.
10lb, right
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godaneyes
but just know i have 3 boxes
also think its weird to mail a shipping lable
*label
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JAAIs there a particular reason why we don't have an auto-opper bot in #archiveteam (arguably the most important of our channels)? [19:13]
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ola_norskman the 'We will always have this youtube channel' is kind of kicking me in the nuts .. https://youtu.be/t5_dSCu_mLY
for a 7-10 old youtube channel, what could be a very estimated size at 720p videos?
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Froggingdepends how many videos there are
a 10 year old channel could have very many videos, very few, or anywhere in between :p
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MrRadar2And the average video length [19:43]
Froggingthat too [19:43]
ola_norsk~620 [19:46]
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ola_norski don't know how exact youtube search is https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=theangrygrandpashow [19:47]
Froggingeh, who knows. it's sometimes very inexact and unpredictable in my experience [19:48]
ola_norsk(i was kind of expecting it to be more, but i see there's subchannels like 'granpa's corner')
aye
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Froggingthe sorting order changes the number and content of results
it's ridiculous
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ola_norskone tip courtesy of google search say to hover over username for a couple of seconds, but that seems to be no longer a feature on YT [19:51]
MrRadar2You should be able to find out by finding the channel's "all videos" playlist
Select "Play All" under the "Videos" tab of the channel page
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Froggingoh good tip [19:54]
ola_norskah ty! (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAngryGrandpaShow/videos?view=57&flow=list?&ab_channel=TheAngryGrandpaShow) ..i guessing youtube-dl could count them with 'dryrun' [19:54]
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ola_norskseems to really be "just" 621..
for that specific channel
e.g one youtube user can have multiple channels, right?
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or rather, one google+ user can
that 'all videos' playlist tip will do though
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It's damn worrysome that people seems to think Youtube (and google for that matter) is guaranteed to stick around forever [20:18]
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godaneI HAVE A CHANNEL CALLED #godane-archivebox on irc.efnet.org
LETS BUILD SOFTWARE TO MAKE A CACHE/ARCHIVE BOX FOR HOME USERS
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ola_norska NAS ?
sounds exiting
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godanenot a nas but a router with storage [20:46]
ola_norskso a kind of 'preseeded proxy' then? [20:46]
godaneyes [20:46]
ola_norskgood stuff [20:46]
godanei guess like the idea of a squid server to save on bandwidth [20:46]
ola_norskaye, not too bad an idea [20:47]
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godaneso looks like i did 96k items this year so far
last year i did 449,998 items
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ola_norskwho's behind archive.is, and more importantly, why does it block waybackbackmachine?
it's pissing me off
is it just cloudflare's fault?
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JAAThey don't block WM, they block all bots.
And they have a quite complex robots.txt.
I think that individual saves should actually be allowed.
But WM's robots.txt parsing is quite crude AFAIK.
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ola_norskaye, before i got the cloudflare error, i was getting robots.txt error when trying to archive an item
im pretty sure of that
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JAAYeah
Some months ago, I noticed that if a site has Disallow: * + Allow: /something/, i.e. allowing robots only in a specific part of the site, WM doesn't handle that correctly and blocks everything.
Not sure if that's still the case, but something similar might be what caused that.
And CloudFlare's just annoying. But we're getting closer to circumventing that automatically. My Python implementation of joepie91's cracker seems to work correctly.
(I won't release it until I have proper test coverage though.)
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ola_norskanyway to (ab)use it's seemingly adherance to 'memento api' ?
"archive.is supports MementoWeb API. More info can be found here" (http://mementoweb.org/depot/native/archiveis/)
...whatever that is
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ola_norskdoesn't look much like icelandic to me https://who.is/whois/archive.is
unless it's shared outwards, it's basically a glorified url shortener with content
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ola_norsk'archive.is is "your personal Wayback Machine".'
trouble is, more and more people seem to use it
and if it's not going to any serious wayback machine(s), it could all go away by cancellation of hosting or domain
i think IA has memento api as well. Any way to check whether or not archive.is is keepin all the goodies?
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ola_norskAnyway, maybe they do share. I don't know. "personal waybackmachines" sounds akin to saving warcs on a usb stick though [22:48]
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