#archiveteam-bs 2017-12-19,Tue

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00:34 🔗 Kaz anyone able to load https://status.ovh.net/ ?
00:34 🔗 JAA Yeah, working fine for me.
00:34 🔗 JAA I was just thinking "lol, not again".
00:34 🔗 Kaz nvm, loads fine without https for me
00:35 🔗 Kaz not sure why i got redirected to https at all
00:35 🔗 JAA Oh yeah
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02:12 🔗 ola_norsk some of these things going to hell? "MASSIVE LAYOFFS IN MEDIA - IS MAINSTREAM MEDIA DYING?" https://youtu.be/f_U919gSj7w
02:12 🔗 ola_norsk i don't know what mashable is...
02:17 🔗 ola_norsk maybe someone could look more into it? it sure as hell would be a pleas..hame if buzzfeed went away
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03:59 🔗 wbradley ola_norsk, timcast is baaaasically a conspiracy theorist. i mean not really, cuz he's got some reality in there, but two seconds looking at his ALL CAPS warnings of DOOMSDAY (scheduled for today? did it happen?) makes it clear that he should be taken with at least one or two grains of salt.
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06:49 🔗 odemg Who can knock Archivist off the top of the leaderboard? https://the-eye.eu/leaderboards/
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17:37 🔗 godane SketchCow: so when is the next box of tapes are coming?
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17:48 🔗 Specular received a /colorful/ pm in more ways than one
17:49 🔗 dd0a13f37 ola_norsk: http://blog.archive.is/post/154930531126/if-someone-was-willing-to-make-a
17:49 🔗 dd0a13f37 Specular: do tell
17:52 🔗 dd0a13f37 https://liberapay.com/archiveis/donate - "archiveis currently receives €31.75 per week."
17:53 🔗 dd0a13f37 http://blog.archive.is/post/151510917631/how-do-you-guys-keep-the-lights-on-i-gave-the - "It requires about $3500-4000/mo (only for the servers, not counting worktime, etc)."
17:53 🔗 Specular should have screencapped it. Used a wild blended pattern of IRC background/text color along with putting out a challenge to out-flood some dude on some other channel, with expletives thrown in the mix.
17:54 🔗 Specular knew it would have to be bad but the donations really are abysmal for what they do and the costs...
17:55 🔗 dd0a13f37 He's said he's interested in uploading a siterip to archive.org
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17:57 🔗 dd0a13f37 or, uploading a siterip at least, he doesn't like archive.org
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17:59 🔗 SketchCow godane: I'll be coordinating with Mank to get it done.
18:01 🔗 Specular yeah, I've have to imagine it would only be as that given one of the goals of .is was ignoring the robots.txt
18:01 🔗 dd0a13f37 You could upload the raw data and then people can access web.archive.org/DATE/archive.is/XXXXX
18:02 🔗 dd0a13f37 But that might be a bit of trouble. As long as the data is in harbor, you have "infinite" time to do things like that
18:05 🔗 dd0a13f37 http://blog.archive.is/post/135290609791/thank-you-so-much-for-what-you-do-question-any
18:06 🔗 Specular the weird thing is I remember following the election and various controversy IA mentioned they wanted to focus on archiving news and other relevant pages more yet exclusions really do get in the way of that as it puts the power of censorship back in the hands of the sites
18:07 🔗 dd0a13f37 archive.org is popular to use as paywall remover, if they'd ignore robots they might piss some people with large amounts of money off
18:08 🔗 SketchCow FOS seems to be in better shape now.
18:08 🔗 SketchCow Partially because S3 has its crap together again
18:09 🔗 jrwr lol
18:10 🔗 jrwr did we kill the S3 ingress :)
18:10 🔗 SketchCow No, it committed suicide due to the power outage
18:10 🔗 jrwr Ah
18:10 🔗 jrwr Hows the wiki coming :)
18:11 🔗 Specular could have sworn it was discussed here a while back but what were the thoughts on webrecorder.io? I used it to save a Twitter user's timeline by manually scrolling as it captured the content. Seemed to be a more accurate method of capturing pages than I've seen on IA for ex.
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18:11 🔗 jrwr headless chrome should be looked into for the archivebot
18:12 🔗 SketchCow Webrecorder is a different group.
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18:13 🔗 SketchCow I mean, research, sure
18:13 🔗 JAA jrwr: PurpleSym is working on that, in case you didn't know it yet.
18:13 🔗 jrwr I didn't
18:13 🔗 JAA But it seems that we'll need a WARC MITM proxy to get the raw data.
18:13 🔗 JAA The Chromium DevTools Protocol doesn't expose that.
18:14 🔗 jrwr ah
18:14 🔗 jrwr dont you just need full response headers and content?
18:14 🔗 JAA Yes, but exactly as the server sent it, not in reassembled form.
18:14 🔗 JAA Also, transport encoding is stripped.
18:15 🔗 jrwr Hrm, Firefox has a headless mode now too
18:16 🔗 JAA Yep
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18:21 🔗 ircd.choopa.net sets mode: +oo svchfoo1 JAA
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18:21 🔗 dd0a13f37 JAA: can't you use chromium's proxy settings
18:25 🔗 godane SketchCow: how is Mank?
18:25 🔗 godane *who
18:48 🔗 jrwr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QQhcwvCx/image.png
18:48 🔗 jrwr put that one in the archive
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20:37 🔗 dd0a13f37 http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK/torrents_implementation
20:37 🔗 dd0a13f37 8:39 PM if we're okay with some degree of centralization the problems in the last paragraph of "a simplification" can be solved
20:38 🔗 dd0a13f37 opentracker is bandwidth limited, if you have 100 mbit/s you can serve millions of peers without problems
20:38 🔗 dd0a13f37 you then have a http server serving torrents that need seeding
20:39 🔗 dd0a13f37 the clients then gets N unique torrents from it
20:39 🔗 dd0a13f37 for example, you have space for 500 torrents available, you GET https://someserver.com/t/500
20:39 🔗 dd0a13f37 and it sends a targz file or whatever
20:40 🔗 dd0a13f37 or a torrent containing some other torrents to save on bandwidth, the torrent client can have some special additions to deselect some files
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21:45 🔗 JAA dd0a13f37: HTTPS is where it gets tricky.
21:46 🔗 dd0a13f37 These could be static files regenerated once an hour, served via nginx or something similar.
21:48 🔗 JAA I was talking about the Chromium-based archival tool.
21:51 🔗 dd0a13f37 Seems easy. Add a self-signed root certificate and one of those SSL MITM proxies
21:51 🔗 dd0a13f37 and disable hsts
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23:17 🔗 godane so i bought some tapes on ebay
23:17 🔗 godane 19.99 with free shipping
23:17 🔗 godane 21 tapes

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