#archiveteam-bs 2017-12-27,Wed

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00:39 πŸ”— joepie91 JAA: oh yeah, I was going to point out re: your earlier remark about my code missing some cases, that CF occasionally changes up their code a bit
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00:58 πŸ”— JAA Yeah. I just implemented all valid 1-3 character combinations of + and ! to be safe.
00:59 πŸ”— JAA joepie91: I also implemented generic addition, subtraction, and multiplication rules for all combinations between bools, ints, and strings according to JS's rules.
01:00 πŸ”— JAA I just hope they won't switch to real JSFuck code. But that would probably be counterproductive as the code they'd have to send out would become huge.
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13:25 πŸ”— JAA jacketcha: Fix your connection please.
14:19 πŸ”— jrwr JAA: lol
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15:51 πŸ”— jrwr SketchCow: if you want to add this to any notes you have for the wiki https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Jrwr
15:52 πŸ”— jrwr I put some comments on my userpage for if anyone comes in behind me
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18:12 πŸ”— godane so some good news on my new rpi3
18:13 πŸ”— godane 1 the case is alot better and not falling apart when i move it
18:13 πŸ”— godane 2 i found a way to maybe port slax linux-live scripts to rpi
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18:33 πŸ”— ola_norsk jrwr: are there any statements made or pages that show IA's diskusage?
18:33 πŸ”— jrwr Sketch was complaining about it yesterday
18:33 πŸ”— jrwr Ill see if I can dig one up
18:33 πŸ”— jrwr We budgeted for 1pb of disk space last year, We used 2pb
18:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk jrwr: In my case, i think that could be a powerful 'punch point' towards getting some other organizations/museums etc to opens their eyes (and their wallets and datacenters)
18:39 πŸ”— jrwr so
18:39 πŸ”— jrwr I know its more then 16PB
18:39 πŸ”— jrwr in use
18:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk Somebody2: sorry if i remember incorrectly, but it was you who also sent email to that guy in DND/NCS ? If so, did you recieve a response yet?
18:45 πŸ”— PurpleSym Disk space graphs: https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/df.html
18:47 πŸ”— ola_norsk ty
18:56 πŸ”— ola_norsk NCS are holding the 'Yggdrasil Conference' at Sandefjord 23. og 24. april 2018 . And it would be cool if the importance of preserving IA became a topic there.
18:57 πŸ”— ola_norsk sadly there no english version of this: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_(konferanse)
19:05 πŸ”— ola_norsk i do not even know how conferences work, since i've never been to one. But, the contact person is Elisabeth Kras of Den norske dataforening (NCS), at elisabeth.kras@dataforeningen.no
19:06 πŸ”— ola_norsk https://yggdrasilkonferansen.no/kontakt-oss/
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19:19 πŸ”— ola_norsk btw, since someone mentioned that the mirror in Alexandria, Egypt is outdated/behind IA by ~10 years..Was it political climate in Egypt that caused that?
19:20 πŸ”— ola_norsk or did it simply not manage to keep up with hardware?
19:22 πŸ”— kisspunch FWIW I asked if Dropbox would sponsor a mirror (even in part), they said no
19:23 πŸ”— ola_norsk nah, to get shit done these days it needs at least some "twitter rage" i guess :D
19:23 πŸ”— kisspunch oh, i work there
19:24 πŸ”— kisspunch for context :)
19:24 πŸ”— ola_norsk then some carefully crafted hashtag, and you putting into "trending" should do it ;)
19:24 πŸ”— ola_norsk hehe
19:25 πŸ”— kisspunch at dropbox, not at twitter
19:25 πŸ”— ola_norsk ah
19:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk could you make it so that they offer less than 1TB solutions? (I already asked them, and they said no to that as well)..
19:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk anyway, it needs some outrage
19:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk 1GB i meant
19:30 πŸ”— kisspunch ola_norsk: why do you want that? and i can't do anything personally but i can advocate :)
19:31 πŸ”— ola_norsk kisspunch: i'm guessing it will take Associations or government departments. Private companies, unless there's PR to be garnered, is less likely to be willing i think
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19:40 πŸ”— ola_norsk kisspunch: the reason i'd prefer dropbox to have a smaller solution than 1TB, is that my harddrive is 100GB (i know, it's small). And price of their 1TB.
19:41 πŸ”— jrwr get google drive suite
19:41 πŸ”— jrwr gsuite
19:41 πŸ”— jrwr their 10$ plan gets you unlimited right now
19:42 πŸ”— ola_norsk i can not afford $10/month :/
19:42 πŸ”— ola_norsk and i like the niceness of dropbox integrated into my filemanager
19:43 πŸ”— jrwr google drive stream does the same as dropbox + the files don't exist on your machine anymore, they get streamed in on access
19:46 πŸ”— ola_norsk jrwr: the dropbox 1TB is ~9-10USD, and, the _main_ reason it would be nice if dropbox were to offer smaller plans is that i can simply not afford a monthly charge of 10usd
19:46 πŸ”— jrwr ah
19:48 πŸ”— ola_norsk i could, in a pinch if i really really needed it, but a smaller plan would both meet my need and wallet :)
19:49 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm well aware that 1TB is small these days though :D
19:52 πŸ”— Frogging $10/month for unlimited is... nothing o.o
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19:59 πŸ”— ola_norsk Frogging: "All things are relative"..sadly, it's something when already at strained economy for various reason :/
20:00 πŸ”— Frogging oh I meant relative to the usual prices for such things, not the value of $10
20:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye indeed. How long will be they offering unlimited though? In the spring i will have no problem affording it
20:02 πŸ”— Frogging it's definitely not sustainable, so that's a good question
20:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk and, when that offering ends, then what? :/
20:03 πŸ”— jrwr Frogging: nether is youtube
20:03 πŸ”— jrwr with the PBs of videos per minute being uploaded
20:03 πŸ”— Frogging indeed
20:03 πŸ”— ola_norsk if they don't plan to suddenly increase price, or delete files, couldn't people just upload dummyfiles like madmen?
20:04 πŸ”— ola_norsk just to pre-secure storage space, i mean
20:10 πŸ”— ola_norsk more specifically, using e.g 'dd' to generate huge files, upload them to that google solution at hearts content (pun required), to set the drivespace if/when the unlimited offer should end
20:14 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm thinking (fearing) people might want to read the small print in the usage of that google solution :/
20:15 πŸ”— jrwr im storing about 600TB of Gdrive right now
20:15 πŸ”— jrwr I know a pair that are storing 2PB on it
20:16 πŸ”— ola_norsk for $10 a month?
20:17 πŸ”— ola_norsk and you are certain those 600TB will always be accesible to you for ~10USD ?
20:17 πŸ”— astrid yeah that's the rub
20:17 πŸ”— jrwr Its "linux isos"
20:18 πŸ”— jrwr so Its not a loss if I lose it
20:19 πŸ”— ola_norsk my first thought is that _if_ that happens, you're unlikely to be only one :/
20:23 πŸ”— ola_norsk but just in case it's google being nice, offering a 'first come first serve' ..there's 'dd' that could easily generate 'iso' files ;)
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20:37 πŸ”— ola_norsk jrwr: by 'a pair' do mean a couple of indiviuals having 2PT stored each?
20:37 πŸ”— ola_norsk you mean*
20:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk anyway. Someone with twitter might want to ask like (https://youtu.be/w7e1Z0PL1CY) review the terms of use of that google service in worst case scenario.
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21:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk maybe google is aiming to compete with yahoo of being the ones that deleted the most amount of history? :D
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21:21 πŸ”— JAA ola_norsk: Backblaze B2 is $5 per TB and month. If you store just a few GB, you'll pay some cents per month only. There is a fee for downloading though.
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21:25 πŸ”— ola_norsk JAA: that sounds like a more realistic offer than google indeed. But the downloading fee though.. :/ One of the reasons i like dropbox is the syncing
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21:37 πŸ”— ola_norsk JAA: i kind of think of cloudstorage in ways of "Don't risk it if you can't afford to loose it".. I wouldn't store in the cloud what i couldn't realisticly, if i absolutely had to, be able to keep a copy of by myself
21:38 πŸ”— ola_norsk kind of cruel to say it, but i think Vidme might agree :d
21:38 πŸ”— JAA Oh I agree, cloud storage is just a neat way of doing an off-site backup, but it should never, ever be the only copy of the data.
21:39 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye
21:42 πŸ”— JAA ola_norsk: You might want to look at Online.net's C14 as well. There is an "Intensive" service level for €5 per TB and month and no download fees. It's not as straight-forward though.
21:42 πŸ”— JAA It's really more of an archival service.
21:53 πŸ”— ola_norsk JAA: hehe, yeah, it looks to more like that and not so much as a 'drop or delete a file or folder' kind of thing :D "Create an electronic safe-deposit box, upload up to 40TB of data using FTP, SFTP, Rsync or SCP, and use our simple control panel or API to archive your data in no time."
21:53 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm not exactly keeping the cure for cancer in my Dropbox
21:55 πŸ”— ola_norsk JAA: but damn, that seems to be good service for important stuff
22:02 πŸ”— JAA It does. I'm not sure how good they are in practice though. And that archival/unarchival could be really annoying.
22:04 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye "the average time to recover your data is approximately 2 hours."
22:04 πŸ”— JAA Yep, similar to Amazon Glacier.
22:05 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's some 'butler' running around on a segway or roller-blades in some tunnels i guess :)
22:07 πŸ”— ola_norsk at least that means it's inpenetrable to hacks
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22:09 πŸ”— HCross2 Apologies for the spam.. IRCcloud was having a meltdown
22:10 πŸ”— ola_norsk HCross2: https://youtu.be/1VD_pJOFnZ0
22:11 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's quite amazing that IRC have been around this long :D
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22:15 πŸ”— ola_norsk the efnet server i'm using 'irc.homelien.no' , was there in the times of 'Spider' a norwegian tv program in ~94-96 :D
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22:15 πŸ”— ola_norsk and still today, Twitch uses irc
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22:17 πŸ”— ola_norsk lol..'pentium 133, running netscape'..wow :D https://youtu.be/4yd9khAQCug
22:18 πŸ”— ola_norsk back in the times when DAT tapes were fancy..
22:19 πŸ”— JAA Getting quite offtopicky in here.
22:20 πŸ”— ola_norsk not if i archive it .. https://tv.nrk.no/serie/spider
22:20 πŸ”— SketchCow I have a request for help, for me
22:21 πŸ”— SketchCow textfiles.com doesn't handle .txt properly
22:21 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm sure I fucked up an option
22:21 πŸ”— ola_norsk the http server?
22:21 πŸ”— SketchCow ola_norsk: shh
22:21 πŸ”— SketchCow https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10542639/apache-returns-content-type-text-plain-instead-of-text-html helps a bit
22:21 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm sure I just have apache configured wrong
22:22 πŸ”— ola_norsk thats what i meant by http server
22:22 πŸ”— SketchCow I know.
22:22 πŸ”— SketchCow Shhhh.
22:22 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye
22:23 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.textfiles.com/drugs/ should have .txt open in browser
22:23 πŸ”— SketchCow I am going to have to track down why it treats it as a download
22:26 πŸ”— Igloo <LocationMatch "\.(?i:txt)$">
22:26 πŸ”— Igloo ForceType text/plain
22:26 πŸ”— Igloo Header set Content-Disposition inline
22:26 πŸ”— Igloo </LocationMatch>
22:26 πŸ”— Igloo ^^ SketchCow
22:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk might this be relevant? https://serverfault.com/questions/82505/how-can-i-set-apache-to-serve-files-as-text
22:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk what igloo said
22:26 πŸ”— JAA SketchCow: Just randomly checked 2015.txt, and that starts with a NUL byte. Cf. https://stackoverflow.com/a/7877252
22:27 πŸ”— JAA amph.txt works, for example.
22:27 πŸ”— JAA So I doubt it's a configuration error; it's just that the browser finds the NUL byte, thinks it isn't a text file, and therefore offers the download instead.
22:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk not sure how Apache rules work in priority, but maybe "AddType text/plain .txt" could at least be used to override any config mistakes until the cause is found?
22:31 πŸ”— JAA The server sends "Content-Type: text/plain" already.
22:31 πŸ”— JAA There's also no "Content-Disposition: download" header.
22:32 πŸ”— JAA It might be necessary to also specify the encoding of the files, but I doubt it'll ever work if the file starts with a NUL byte.
22:32 πŸ”— JAA Every file except 2015.txt seems to work.
22:36 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: we are very close to having tagesschau 20 clock evening news up to 1997-03-31
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22:36 πŸ”— godane its doing 1997-03-30 right now
22:36 πŸ”— godane *uploading
22:40 πŸ”— godane i really hate the way the newer xbox one works
22:40 πŸ”— godane its like you always need to download something in order for the game to work
22:41 πŸ”— SketchCow godane: Fantastic
22:41 πŸ”— godane i'm trying to get up to november of 1997
22:41 πŸ”— ola_norsk godane: that's the way to circumvent the complaining about the 'always online' requirement :)
22:43 πŸ”— ola_norsk godane: "ok, your xbox doesn't have to stay online all the time.. but no one said anything about having to download"
22:56 πŸ”— DrasticAc Turns out that the Azure Postgres preview cant handle transferring 300 millions rows at once with pg_restore
22:57 πŸ”— DrasticAc Every time I try, the server bombs out. That’s what I get for dogfooding.
23:00 πŸ”— DrasticAc Trying to get this Miiverse web archive site up by MAGfest, since by then I’m on vacation and I’m gonna do my best not to touch any code.
23:09 πŸ”— schbirid jrwr: any idea if there is a nice and safe way to share huge amounts of files between gdrive accounts?
23:09 πŸ”— schbirid eg i want to let my friend sync my iso collection
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23:13 πŸ”— Bond__ hello everyone
23:15 πŸ”— Kaz hello
23:16 πŸ”— Bond__ how is everyone
23:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Getting my hip hop torrents collection working again
23:22 πŸ”— SketchCow [Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 36.6/14265.3 KB] [Port: 6951]
23:22 πŸ”— SketchCow Working
23:22 πŸ”— SketchCow [Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 113.2/45712.1 KB] [Port: 6951]
23:22 πŸ”— SketchCow Really working
23:22 πŸ”— SketchCow [Throttle off/off KB] [Rate 156.5/64651.7 KB] [Port: 6951]
23:23 πŸ”— Bond__ How much hip hop we talking?
23:23 πŸ”— SketchCow Hair is standing up on end for 1/2 mile around
23:23 πŸ”— SketchCow Not much, frankly.
23:23 πŸ”— SketchCow Probably 40-50 albums.
23:23 πŸ”— SketchCow The mixtapes that have come out since I got the FOS machine to the new hardware
23:23 πŸ”— Bond__ sketch, have you ever thought about maybe downloading a bunch of newspapers?
23:24 πŸ”— Bond__ i feel like its a category thats mostly regected by people
23:24 πŸ”— SketchCow 1. Yes. 2. We have
23:24 πŸ”— SketchCow 3. No it's not
23:25 πŸ”— Bond__ Where is the best place to get them if i might ask?
23:25 πŸ”— SketchCow newspapers.com
23:25 πŸ”— SketchCow But we have them on the archive in archive.org/details/newspapers
23:25 πŸ”— SketchCow With more coming every day
23:26 πŸ”— Bond__ would you know of a free account for newspapers.com, to download the whole issue?
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23:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Not offhand
23:31 πŸ”— Bond__ i just singed up for a trial account, what is the best way to download from there?
23:42 πŸ”— jacketcha is there any good way to archive instagram yet? even when archiving it by hand it's a nightmare for me
23:45 πŸ”— Bond__ yall seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_-BO99woI
23:46 πŸ”— JAA jacketcha: Not really. I'm usually clicking the button, put something on the "page down" key to let it scroll to the bottom, extract the posts of the individual URLs, and throw those into ArchiveBot.
23:47 πŸ”— JAA I usually click*
23:47 πŸ”— JAA There's definitely a better way than this, but at least it works.
23:47 πŸ”— jacketcha yeah
23:48 πŸ”— jacketcha is there anyway to simulate cookies in http requests? because there are many pages that I would love to archive without asking them to go public (including mine)
23:48 πŸ”— JAA What do you mean by "simulate"?
23:48 πŸ”— JAA wget/wpull can handle cookies just fine.
23:48 πŸ”— jacketcha nevermind then
23:49 πŸ”— jacketcha i would use the api, but last time I used the api of a site I got kicked off of pastebin
23:49 πŸ”— jacketcha kinda
23:50 πŸ”— Bond__ love watching this kinda stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKsNOTIwJk
23:50 πŸ”— JAA jacketcha: https://github.com/rarcega/instagram-scraper might be a good basis for writing something to archive Instagram users.
23:51 πŸ”— jacketcha Bond__: I usually just watch stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWRSM2_DF0&t=8s
23:51 πŸ”— jacketcha JAA: That looks promising, i'll check it out
23:52 πŸ”— Bond__ I think im using youtube wrong
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23:55 πŸ”— JAA Didn't see this mentioned in here yet: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/26/16819748/library-of-congress-twitter-archive-project-stalled
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23:56 πŸ”— Bond__ anyone have copies of past archived instagram crap on archive.org?
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