#archiveteam-bs 2017-12-28,Thu

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jacketchano, but I do have archives of people posting dumb stuff that I grabbed with liveweb [00:22]
ok, i have another question. is warc files basically the USB of files? I mean, you can technically put any file into a warc file, from what I understand [00:27]
astridwarc records http transactions. so anything you can do on http, you can record into a warc [00:28]
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BnAboyZI've been out of the loop for a while [01:24]
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BnAboyZdid the wayback-machine start accepting video playback from warc files? [01:24]
jacketchano idea
i usually just use the wayback machine for finding my teachers with hair so im not an expert on it
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rolfoidi'd love to be downloading newspapers
that said, my two cents is that they are probably already archived in other places (and physical form) and should be done after whatever else is on the wire
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jacketchadoes twitter have any public endpoints to make it easier to scrape? [06:44]
Ok, so I have a proposal for a twitter archive
We create a service that allows you to download your own personal twitter archive, and add it to the database
a script goes through all your tweets and adds them to their respective threads, and then orders all the threads in chronological order
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Specularis #archiveteam-ot new or have I just never noticed it? [07:35]
hook54321It's new [07:36]
Somebody2ola_norsk (if you read the logs): I did send the email, and I have not gotten a response back. [07:45]
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PurpleSymWiki bot should be functional again. [09:01]
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jacketchaOk, so I have a dumb way of archiving sites at a contstant rate.
I talk about IFTTT alot, and it's for two simple reasons: It's a good service, and I suck at server side programming
Now, I figured out that there is no client=side scraping in the liveweb crawl (save page now)
so you can use it just by making a http request to https://web.archive.org/save/[url to save]
IFTTT has web request support
I currently use this to archive things like my twitter
But it could have better purposes
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JAAKaz: No, that's PurpleSym's, and he fixed it a few hours ago. :-) [12:26]
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schbiridhttps://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Filesharing
there is quite a bit of libgen but messy
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jrwrI'm so glad that the wiki was easy to upgrade [13:01]
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SketchCowGood morning
In the future, don't post things I say about the operation of Internet Archive to Reddit threads along with conclusions
I know it comes from a good place but I'm not imbued with the permission to make official statements
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jrwrsorry about that, hope I didn't get you into any trouble,
it has been deleted
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godanehttps://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7mhm8t/kpfa_wbai_may_shut_down_by_mid_january_is_there_a/
i'm going to see about grabbing the last 4 months of it
i have up to 2017-07-31
i have august but i'm running a check on it right now to make sure i have it all
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SketchCowInteresting [15:02]
godanewbai is where i'm screwed on
at least off the wall and off the hook are hosted by 2600.com
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Muad-DibI know this has been the case for a while now and I might be a bit late (*cough*) asking about it, but can someone tell me what happened to the FTP-archiving effort/#effteepee? Why are the warrior items paused and the pads/github seemingly dead?
Did people get burned out or is there something else going on I'm just not aware of?
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robogoatSo, what _is_ the best hobbyist tape system? (I'm thinking second-hand enterprise-class reader/writer, probably off ebay or similar?) [18:47]
ola_norskDAT tapes were big once upon a time i think
i don't know, but DAT might've been the last of tape storage solutions.
all i remember is that it was quite fancy, for for a very short while
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robogoatEh, reading r/datahoarders seems to indicate that the tradeoff for just buying spinning disks is now not worth it. [18:53]
JAALTO is definitely what you would be looking for, but yeah, it's only worth it if you have dozens of TB to store. [18:55]
robogoatIs it really even worth it then? [18:56]
JAAThe drives are expensive, and handling a large number of tapes is a hassle (so you'd want a tape library for more $$$).
It definitely can be. Depends what your goals are really.
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hook54321JAA: The deadline to apply for the Pineapple Fund was yesterday apparently, but the form is still open... :/ [18:56]
JAAHDDs have a lifespan of a few years, but LTO tapes easily last 30+ years.
(The drives might not though.)
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ola_norskarent there CD/DVD writers can be automaticaly be fed cakeboxes of CD/DVD disks? [18:57]
robogoatWell, but anyways the HDD density seems to be going up so fast, and cost down so fast, [18:57]
JAAIn terms of storage capacity per price, tapes are definitely king. [18:58]
robogoatBut for how much longer? [18:58]
ola_norskbut since it magnetic signal, can it not diminish over time? [18:59]
JAAWell, tape prices are decreasing as well. I don't know how the rates compare.
It also depends where you're located probably.
HDD prices in Europe have stagnated since ca. 2010/11.
Price per TB, that is.
ola_norsk: Have fun handling thousands of DVDs. ;-) Even with BDs, it gets messy very quickly.
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hook54321Should I just try to fill out the form for us? [19:00]
ola_norskaye, but for _really_ long time storage, optical is better than magnetic is it not? [19:01]
JAANormal BDs have lifespans comparable to tape, I think.
M-Discs are rated for 1000 years though.
You'd probably want to migrate to new storage media every now and then anyway though because the old media will at some point become obsolete and difficult to read. See e.g. Floppys nowadays.
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hook54321: Pineapple Fund?
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hook54321yeah
https://pineapplefund.org/
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JAARight
Ah, missed your message above.
Wouldn't hurt to try, I guess. We should probably discuss who/how we'd handle the money though. Or maybe it could go through Open Collective, since we're not a registered nonprofit anyway.
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hook54321Yeah. We're not a registered anything afaik... [19:12]
ola_norski remember seeing a video by Techmoan where he went trough the differences in tape (albeit for audio storage). There's certainly awesome tape solutions out there. But from what i remember, it not only relied on the tape(strip) itself, but also the power of the recorder (e.g how strong a magnetic signal was put on it) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=techmoan+metal+tapes [19:13]
hook54321"In what country are you incorporated in?" ... uhm. all of them? idk [19:13]
JAANone? [19:14]
hook54321I'll put that I guess
Should I put Jason down as the contact person?
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JAASketchCow: ^ [19:16]
hook54321It might be better if he filled it out, if he is online at least. If not I'm guessing it's better if we submit something instead of waiting, since we're already past the deadline.
"What is the maximum account you can accept, and reasonably use?"
"What can you achieve with a donation of that size?" "Do you need help accepting and converting bitcoin?"
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I'll submit something in 20 minutes or so unless anyone has an issue with that. I'm guessing 10k is what we could reasonably use... Someone correct me if I'm wrong. [19:36]
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