#archiveteam-bs 2018-11-10,Sat

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06:10 🔗 Ryz In regards to attempting to archive Lenny Letter - https://www.lennyletter.com/ - this one has a infinite scrolling feature, but you have to click on "Load More Stories" to get more of the articles
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06:29 🔗 jodizzle Ryz: Seems like it has a detailed sitemap.xml: https://www.lennyletter.com/sitemap.xml
06:29 🔗 jodizzle Which points to other XML files which seem to point to stories: https://www.lennyletter.com/sitemap.xml?year=2015&month=10&week=2
06:30 🔗 Flashfire is this a job for archivebot?
06:30 🔗 Ryz Sadly, I have no idea how to extract the links in a way that's not cumbersome
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06:30 🔗 Ryz I'm not sure if ArchiveBot can handle it if it has infinite scrolling
06:31 🔗 Flashfire I gave it a try
06:31 🔗 jodizzle Well it doesn't really if you can get the links from the XML files
06:31 🔗 jodizzle Not sure if archiveboot will pick those up, but some crawlers probably will.
06:31 🔗 jodizzle s/boot/bot
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06:57 🔗 jodizzle Ryz, Flashfire: Here's a list of links to posts extracted from the sitemaps, if it helps: https://transfer.sh/10HhxI/lenny-letter-list.txt
06:57 🔗 jodizzle (Mostly I wanted a chance to play with shell commands.)
07:08 🔗 Ryz Awesome, thanks jodizzle - let's hope that's all of the articles
07:08 🔗 Ryz The lack of a timestamp on the URLs themselves makes this tricky
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07:52 🔗 jodizzle Ryz: The sitemap files are timestampped with year, month and week, so we can at least know that much.
07:53 🔗 jodizzle If you need it for some reason.
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08:08 🔗 jodizzle Ryz, Flashfire: Here's Lenny Letter social media after snscraping, if you wanna throw this in archivebot: https://transfer.sh/169FA3/lenny-letter-facebook.txt https://transfer.sh/4THNf/lenny-letter-twitter.txt https://transfer.sh/wuEhd/lenny-letter-instagram.txt
08:09 🔗 jodizzle And here's the youtube if anyone wants to get it: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDfky0ey-Gb6SqoF3wRhHWQ
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08:23 🔗 Ryz Now what to do with USA Today's Overwatch Wire website - https://overwatchwire.usatoday.com/
08:26 🔗 jodizzle I can snscrape the social media links.
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08:35 🔗 jodizzle Ryz: https://transfer.sh/QK5ZD/overwatchwire-twitter.txt https://transfer.sh/jTjhU/overwatchwire-facebook.txt
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08:40 🔗 Ryz !status bc7mt8vl9cxi1t16gq99o8imr
08:41 🔗 Ryz Whoops :p
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09:16 🔗 Ryz And thanks for the .txt files jodizzle once more
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10:05 🔗 Ryz Hmm, unsure if such an article has been shared before here, but could take in an interest in archiving Chinese websites: https://qz.com/1166024/china-shut-down-over-13000-illegal-websites-and-10-million-user-accounts-since-2015/
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10:16 🔗 Ryz Not sure if The Debrief website is still accessible or not - https://thedebrief.co.uk/ - the website unfortunately coughs out the explicit message of "Your connection is not private"
10:19 🔗 Ryz A bit of an eye-opener that The Debrief doesn't have a Wikipedia article yet
10:53 🔗 JAA jodizzle, Ryz: ArchiveBot does parse sitemaps. It won't do the infinite scrolling though.
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13:33 🔗 VADemon Ryz if you read logs: thedebrief.co.uk is not accessible, it redirects to another website and has a bad SSL config that spews errors in browser
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15:13 🔗 Hiccup Anyone have any idea what might cause this pywb issue?: https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/issues/406
15:13 🔗 Hiccup Or is pywb not a recommended "complicated website" recorder?
15:13 🔗 Hiccup Also, does pywb work if you have to use special user agents and client certificates to access the website?
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15:36 🔗 JAA Hiccup: UAs are not a problem, but client certificates will likely be one.
15:37 🔗 Hiccup Any idea how I can overcome the problem?
15:37 🔗 Hiccup (btw the issue with pywb I posted above is probably unrelated as I tried it on normal websites too)
15:42 🔗 JAA Hiccup: I think you said before that you need a proper browser as well, right? In that case, it'll probably be very hard.
15:42 🔗 Hiccup well it doesn't need to be a proper browser
15:42 🔗 Hiccup it can be a very basic browser
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15:43 🔗 Hiccup might not even need JS
15:43 🔗 JAA Oh
15:43 🔗 JAA In that case, try wpull.
15:43 🔗 JAA You can specify a client certificate with --certificate and the related options.
15:44 🔗 Hiccup So that's something that will archive urls you feed it or work recursively?
15:45 🔗 Hiccup That would be okay, except the website I want to archive doesn't actually use proper URLs
15:45 🔗 JAA Can do both.
15:45 🔗 Hiccup I'd need it to be recursive, but it would essentially need to grep the html for urls that are in custom tags
15:45 🔗 Hiccup (this website is intended to be used with a custom browser)
15:46 🔗 JAA In that case, you might have to use the get_urls hook to extract those additional URLs.
16:14 🔗 Hiccup Actually
16:14 🔗 Hiccup just recursive searching won't be enough.
16:14 🔗 Hiccup There will need to be a manual element to it...
16:14 🔗 Hiccup Are there any tools similar to pywb, that support client certs?
16:29 🔗 moufu_ there's warcprox, but I'm not sure if it works with custom client certs
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16:33 🔗 JAA Yeah, I don't think it does since it opens its own SSL connection.
16:33 🔗 JAA Same with all the other MITM proxies.
16:38 🔗 Hiccup I may actually be able to use wget. I can just browse the website normally, noting URLs down (and their likely variations down), then run them all through wget. Then I can grep those files for any extra URLs.
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16:39 🔗 Hiccup I don't think there's any need to use WARC. I've setup wget to record all the HTTP Headers to a file, so having that + the files is basically going to be everything useful, I think.
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16:50 🔗 VADemon WARC is the only way to get accepted into Wayback afaik everything else is disregarded as not legit Hiccup
16:50 🔗 Hiccup yeah
16:51 🔗 astrid warcs are the feedstock of wayback, but they have to be blessed because IA doesn't want to publish history that is false
16:51 🔗 VADemon that adds to it ^
16:51 🔗 Hiccup I'm not sure if this could go into wayback anyway, because of the useragent+clientcerts
16:54 🔗 moufu wget can output warcs too
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17:11 🔗 Hiccup true
17:11 🔗 Hiccup but in an old format I think
17:11 🔗 Hiccup I'm not sure how IA could check if WARCs are genuine
17:11 🔗 Hiccup WARCs from any random person like me
17:18 🔗 astrid there isn't a technical solution to this social problem
17:22 🔗 Hiccup you are probably right about that
17:22 🔗 Hiccup its just a trust thing
17:22 🔗 Hiccup websites aren't "self-verifying" or anything
17:24 🔗 arkiver do we want a warrior job for hostinger?
17:24 🔗 arkiver just got the ping from betamax
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17:25 🔗 arkiver we can look into that when we have a good list
17:26 🔗 twoTBHetz i am currently working on a larger list for hostinger what we have so far is fine though
17:26 🔗 twoTBHetz what is the problem with my current list?
17:29 🔗 twoTBHetz (which was at https://pastebin.com/ANJQcSut )
17:29 🔗 twoTBHetz arkiver ?
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18:46 🔗 twoTBHetz mhh i am now looking which websites have the depricated header otherwise you might have a problem with 200000 random sites which are not under threat at all
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19:24 🔗 PurpleSym VoynichCr: This is your bot, right? ↑
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19:26 🔗 VoynichCr PurpleSym: yes
19:27 🔗 VoynichCr well, that were my edits, my bot sign edits with "BOT" in summary
19:27 🔗 VoynichCr that were hand-made
19:32 🔗 twoTBHetz would 1-16 mBit/s of request be considered a threat?
19:33 🔗 PurpleSym VoynichCr: I added that info to your userpage.
19:34 🔗 PurpleSym Shall we create a category for pages your bot updates?
19:44 🔗 schbirid twoTBHetz: bandwidth is not a useful metric unless it is purely static files
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20:04 🔗 VoynichCr PurpleSym: i created this https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Category:ArchiveBot
20:08 🔗 PurpleSym This does not include the lists Death/Disestablishments in X though. I just thought it would be nice if there was a way to list all auto-updated pages.
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20:25 🔗 betamax twoTBHetz: depending on the size of the lists, I would perhaps be inclined to get all the the urls regardless of whether or not they have the 'closing' banner
20:26 🔗 betamax I know that some hostinger sites (myself included, before I moved off them) added bits of JS to prevent hostinger injecting extra bits into the site
20:27 🔗 betamax so the fact that there is not a banner does not mean the site is going to stick around
20:27 🔗 betamax I also don't trust hostinger, and getting a complete grab while we have the chance seems a good idea
20:27 🔗 twoTBHetz mhh there are 15 uninteresting urls for each interesting one
20:28 🔗 twoTBHetz the banner in html and my client executes no js so the banner will be there
20:28 🔗 betamax ah, OK.
20:29 🔗 betamax but could you keep a list of all the non-banner sites as well, as maybe what could happen is we could go after the at-risk ones first, then do the less-at-risk-but-still-Hostinger ones after
20:31 🔗 twoTBHetz I am now at 58219 from 226717 from a reasonable selection from the huge json i got
20:31 🔗 twoTBHetz i kept the 200MB Json with lines 1372060 and lots of dupplication
20:32 🔗 twoTBHetz and irrelevant hostinger-clone urls like javahostinger
20:32 🔗 betamax what do you mean by "reasonable selection"?
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20:33 🔗 twoTBHetz everything that has a cpanel will not be a free hosting
20:34 🔗 betamax ah, so how did you work out which ones were free hosting?
20:34 🔗 betamax or am I misunderstanding things?
20:36 🔗 twoTBHetz i saw that a reasonable portion had also cpanel.dom.tld domains and i removed cpanel.dom.tld and dom.tld since it is not going to be a free hosting
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20:38 🔗 betamax oh, I get it - thanks for the clarification
20:38 🔗 twoTBHetz my orginal dataset this time was dns and there were lot's of dns level redirections to other hosters.
20:39 🔗 twoTBHetz i removed redirectios to yahoo, google, stuff with "hosting-" in it but is still kept the orignal dns collection
20:41 🔗 twoTBHetz or "ovh", "neko", "systems", "yaya", "natro" ... as substring
20:43 🔗 twoTBHetz i am at 67258
20:48 🔗 twoTBHetz meaning more hours 5? we will see
20:48 🔗 betamax great - it's a pain we don't have an exact deadline as to when they're closing
20:49 🔗 twoTBHetz you already got a list from me :)
20:49 🔗 twoTBHetz this with a second dataset
20:53 🔗 twoTBHetz next time i do more than 100 parallel connections
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21:32 🔗 SmileyG can someone throw https://forum.gamestm.co.uk/index.php into archivebot
21:32 🔗 SmileyG or tell me how so it works, concidering phpbb or something forum.
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22:45 🔗 twoTBHetz something weird has happened progress stopped dead in it tracks
22:49 🔗 twoTBHetz no new site in 7 minutes but i can still curl them from the same machine
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23:10 🔗 twoTBHetz thats so weird i can access all entries up to a certain alphabetical entry. and after i can not reach it from the server
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23:21 🔗 * twoTBHetz is highly confused and slightly paniced
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