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00:42 🔗 godane https://www.ebay.com/itm/Massive-Lot-Of-Recorded-Blank-Vhs-Tapes-Commercials-Vintage-Programs-Over-60/143218494921
00:43 🔗 godane that is a bit rich for my blood
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01:22 🔗 godane anyways i'm back on my 20190319 build of debian testing
01:23 🔗 godane i was able to scan a magazine again
01:26 🔗 godane SketchCow: maybe you should change these language from Jp to Japanese : https://archive.org/search.php?query=language%3A%22jp%22&page=2
01:27 🔗 godane there is only 402 items with language set to JP
01:28 🔗 godane and 311 of items are from you : https://archive.org/details/@sketch_the_cow?&and[]=languageSorter%3A%22Jp%22
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03:43 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, but I also know the deriver knows what I'm talking about
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09:44 🔗 SketchCow Where are these EUMagazineScans coming from? godane ?
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10:31 🔗 Bajoodle Hi guys! A quick question related to Warrior and the NewsGrabber project. What kind of servers are suitable for this project? I tried running it yesterday on my server (uploaded about 183GB), however it's basically eating up all CPU power of the server
10:31 🔗 Bajoodle Wondering what kind of hardware I'm looking at to get it running without crashing?
10:32 🔗 Flashfire igloo page on line 7
10:33 🔗 godane SketchCow: ?
10:34 🔗 godane if your talking about the Unedit Japanese Magazine scans i found them on a website with a mega.nz links
10:34 🔗 godane SketchCow: http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/ai/scans/
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10:35 🔗 godane if not that i have no idea what you mean by EUMagazineScans
10:37 🔗 Igloo Bajoodle: Hey! Are you using the warrior or scripts?
10:38 🔗 Igloo Did you see that I made some changes this morning relating to Docker?
10:39 🔗 Bajoodle Igloo: I'm using the warrior
10:39 🔗 Igloo So; It does that. Basically, Whatever CPU it can get it uses (as it has to do a bunch of CPU intensive tasks; Deduplication hashes files for example)
10:40 🔗 Igloo However, If you could, run the docker image as it has a fully working youtube-dl, the warrior itself doesn't (but the rest works fine)
10:40 🔗 Igloo You can then control the concurrency a bit better, I generally go for 1.5 times CPU. But that depends what CPU's you've got.
10:41 🔗 Igloo I run it on 8 core xeons, i7 & i9 servers
10:50 🔗 godane SketchCow: ok so you got more byte magazines that are OCR and have eu in id name so i'm guess is your asking about that
10:50 🔗 Bajoodle Igloo: Oh, I'm running it in Docker on an ubuntu machine. I'll try to start the NewsGrabber project and see how it behaves.
10:51 🔗 Bajoodle I see a lot of failed wgetDownload jobs - is there a log for the warrior somewhere as these jobs disappear too quickly for me to see what's going on
10:51 🔗 godane those are not from me if your asking
10:52 🔗 godane the only ocr byte magazine i know of are on vintageapple.org and those files you have are not them
10:55 🔗 godane SketchCow: you may one the byte magazine here also : https://vintageapple.org/byte
10:55 🔗 godane *want
10:56 🔗 godane they have index to pages and ocr
10:57 🔗 godane also 1981-02 issue is 2 pages long then your eu OCR file
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11:01 🔗 Igloo Bajoodle: Not really, it's meant to be kinda inactive. The wget failures you're seeing are *likely* to be the -video jobs
11:02 🔗 Igloo Which don't work in the warrior
11:02 🔗 Igloo But do work if you run the newsgrabber-warrior as a docker container
11:02 🔗 Igloo (blame python)
11:02 🔗 Bajoodle Igloo: Thanks. Is this what I should be looking into then? https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/NewsGrabber-Warrior
11:03 🔗 Igloo Yep, https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/NewsGrabber-Warrior/blob/master/Dockerfile
11:03 🔗 Igloo If you just grab that & ammend the final line
11:03 🔗 Bajoodle Igloo: thanks
11:04 🔗 Igloo concurrency is the number of instances of wpull to spawn (basically)
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11:04 🔗 Igloo So replace X with a value (I'd go for number of CPU's, it'll initially use them all then slow down as rsync and stuff happens)
11:04 🔗 Igloo replace YOURUSERNAME too
11:04 🔗 Igloo You don't need to worry about cloning the whole repo then :)
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16:45 🔗 Anthony1 What should do about itunes?
16:45 🔗 Anthony1 we
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16:47 🔗 SketchCow godane: Mystery solved
16:47 🔗 SketchCow But thanks for weighing in.
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17:27 🔗 abstract Anthony1, is anything dying other than the software package?
17:30 🔗 Anthony1 abstract: Sketch
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19:52 🔗 Despatche astrid: the problem is that none of these channels are active enough
19:53 🔗 Fusl Despatche: you previously left right before a longer conversation happened in here
19:54 🔗 Despatche okay? i've been here for a while now. these channels aren't so active to warrant having a separate channel for literally everything
19:54 🔗 Despatche it's like discord but worse
19:55 🔗 JAA You got that the wrong way around.
19:55 🔗 ivan there's no need for a channel to be active
19:56 🔗 astrid to some extent i agree; it's hard to get a good picture of what archiveteam is up to. i personally direct all the archiveteam channels i'm in to the same window, and color them differently so i can see where a discussion is happening
19:56 🔗 astrid but that's a personal choice.
19:56 🔗 astrid segregating them to different channels allows for e.g. if someone talks about ftp servers in #effteepee after a few weeks of quiet, it flags in everyone's client that "ftp talk is happening"
19:57 🔗 astrid putting archivebot control in #archivebot keeps the noise away from project channels
19:57 🔗 astrid etc etc etc
19:57 🔗 Despatche but there is so little "noise", if you can even call it that
19:57 🔗 Despatche it seems like an awful lot of work for absolutely no benefit
19:57 🔗 astrid by your standards, sure, but not everyone is watching irc all day long
19:58 🔗 astrid anyway
19:58 🔗 astrid we do it this way
19:58 🔗 Despatche LOL
19:58 🔗 Despatche wow, that is some irony
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19:58 🔗 Despatche anyway, it'd be nice if there was a system for people who don't watch irc all day long
19:58 🔗 astrid yes we have a log bot
19:58 🔗 JAA The point is to keep topic-specific discussion in a single location. Otherwise this channel or #archiveteam gets messy almost immediately.
19:59 🔗 Despatche gets messy with what? the one or two people posting once per hour?
19:59 🔗 astrid and if two projects are happening at once, which often is the case, they don't need to stomp on each other
19:59 🔗 JAA There are probably some channels that aren't necessary, but usually we try to only create new channels when it becomes necessary, i.e. if more coordination for a particular thing is necessary.
19:59 🔗 JAA There are more active channels than that.
19:59 🔗 Despatche the way project channels are being handled is probably fine
19:59 🔗 Despatche the problem is these three main channels
20:00 🔗 astrid also it allows for the people who are in charge of a project to have some control over who participates in it
20:00 🔗 JAA I don't see any problem with that. #archiveteam for short announcements "ohshitohshitohshit, this giant site is going down tomorrow!!". But if all discussion was in there as well, people would miss those.
20:01 🔗 astrid there used to be one channel and we had to split it into main and -bs. then there was too much offtopic discussion in -bs so we had to split that into -ot
20:01 🔗 astrid this feels stable
20:01 🔗 astrid and it has been stable
20:01 🔗 JAA Yeah
20:01 🔗 astrid it seems like overkill to you because you haven't been here during three concurrent fire drills :)
20:02 🔗 Despatche so what you're saying is, you expanded the system because of a situation that no longer exists
20:02 🔗 astrid it doesn't exist today but it will probably come back soon enough. it comes in waves.
20:02 🔗 Despatche i mean if you wanna have one channel for archive stuff and one channel for whatever, that's fine
20:02 🔗 astrid services tend to get shut down around the end of the fiscal quarter
20:02 🔗 Despatche nah, things are different now
20:02 🔗 Despatche discord
20:02 🔗 astrid and that was last month
20:02 🔗 astrid we don't use discord
20:02 🔗 astrid we use irc
20:03 🔗 Despatche oh, dear, no
20:03 🔗 Despatche you don't use discord
20:03 🔗 Despatche discord uses you.
20:04 🔗 astrid yeah it doesn't though
20:04 🔗 astrid what is your point
20:04 🔗 Despatche err, i think i've made my point pretty clear, and i think you've made yours...
20:04 🔗 astrid ok
20:05 🔗 astrid you came in the channel and informed us that we are doing things wrong
20:05 🔗 astrid i told you why they are the way they are
20:05 🔗 Despatche me: "this system doesn't make sense" you: "whether or not it is, we like it all the same" me: "oh. ok"
20:05 🔗 astrid yep.
20:05 🔗 Despatche at least consider merging the main and bs channels
20:06 🔗 astrid considered, declined.
20:06 🔗 JAA I just explained you why those need to be separate.
20:06 🔗 JAA Not everyone reads the chat in real-time.
20:06 🔗 Despatche ah, there's that irony again
20:06 🔗 JAA People who only glance over the chat every few days will never find the relevant announcements in a single channel.
20:06 🔗 Despatche people not reading chat all the time is why having so many channels is a problem...
20:06 🔗 JAA That doesn't make any sense.
20:06 🔗 astrid are you going to do anything useful or are you just going to shit on how we have self-organized our work
20:06 🔗 Despatche that... that's how this works
20:06 🔗 Despatche that's why discord is such an issue lol
20:07 🔗 JAA I still don't understand what your problem is. You agree that the project channels are fine, but you're ranting about "so many channels" which are... two?
20:08 🔗 Despatche watching people have to repeatedly get reminded that they're posting in the wrong "channel" is immensely depressing, because that's the domain of shithole discord servers
20:08 🔗 Despatche especially when it's literally a line an hour.
20:08 🔗 Despatche *"wrong" channel
20:09 🔗 Despatche if this is really that important to you guys, getting so defensive about it isn't the answer
20:09 🔗 ivan Despatche: can you write software
20:09 🔗 Despatche oh hey, there's more irony
20:10 🔗 Despatche astrid ivan: please don't proofcall me. there are no meritocracies, and it's precisely because of organizations like this
20:10 🔗 ivan I just wanted to know if you could do something useful here
20:10 🔗 Despatche i wanted to drop it but you're starting to cross the line
20:10 🔗 JAA We're talking about #archiveteam vs -bs, right? What would your solution be that doesn't mean that people who only look at IRC every few days miss the important bits?
20:11 🔗 JAA Because that's exactly what would happen with a merged channel.
20:11 🔗 Despatche it really astounds me that you think more channels are *better* for people who look at chat less
20:11 🔗 Despatche that is the exact opposite of how anything works lol
20:11 🔗 ivan Despatche: do you have any archiving things you want to work on? we have projects
20:12 🔗 Despatche man, look, i just come here to see recent announcements. only reason i even put bs and ot on speeddial is because of this whole situation. i'm obviously not personally invested in having a hundred channels for every little thing, but i sure am invested in seeing that cause issues across discord!
20:13 🔗 JAA You miss the point. The people who only look at AT chat every few days don't want to read stuff like this discussion or detailed talk about what a particular site is structured like etc, stuff that we'd currently have in -bs. They want only the most important bits: which sites are shutting down or at risk, etc.
20:13 🔗 Despatche i miss the point. hooboy.
20:13 🔗 Despatche this is all completely unnecessary
20:13 🔗 JAA Without reasonable arguments, yep.
20:14 🔗 Despatche without reasonable arguments, yep
20:14 🔗 Despatche that's why you keep telling me the exact opposite of what's true, i guess
20:14 🔗 JAA Uh, no?
20:15 🔗 JAA Anyway, this is not productive.
20:24 🔗 Fusl 20:05 <Despatche> at least consider merging the main and bs channels
20:24 🔗 Fusl god no
20:24 🔗 Fusl i have a highlight on the #archiveteam channel
20:24 🔗 Fusl i get a push notification for all messages in there, for a reason
20:24 🔗 Fusl and i like it this way
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21:13 🔗 godane SketchCow: so i'm uploading some stuff that i have not go to upload yet
21:14 🔗 godane one called rki AroundTown Audio_People
21:14 🔗 godane so more KBS stuff
21:15 🔗 godane this stuff is in english and i think is video interviews with radio hosts (not 100% sure)
21:16 🔗 godane first video : https://archive.org/details/rki_AroundTown_Audio_People-20041105
21:17 🔗 godane rki is Radio Korea International
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