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superkuh |
Old is 2010 era. |
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superkuh |
So this box can handle gtk1 applications just fine. |
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superkuh |
Whereas it'd be a major pain, if feasible at all, on a modern distro. |
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JAA |
VMs are a thing, you know? |
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superkuh |
I guess that might work for some things. Not so well for the software defined radio things with USB latency requirements. |
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JAA |
I was under the impression that QEMU passthrough adds basically zero latency, but it's been a while since I experimented with that. |
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JAA |
Might also depend on the hardware of course. |
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atphoenix |
2010 era isn't that bad. Mostly 64 bit capable, mostly dual core. I know 2013 era stuff is absolutely still usable on modern OSes. |
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atphoenix |
improvements in recent years are mostly in power consumption. And some for specialized tasks (I'm thinking about video encoding.) |
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JAA |
Anything that benefits from heavy multi-threading, basically. |
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OrIdow6 |
What counts as "0 latency" depends on what you're trying to do (though I would think that USB wouldn't be that fast by itself) |
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OrIdow6 |
I'm using a computer from before 2013 now, albeit with more memory |
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SSD + 8 GB RAM (or more) + 7 year old CPU = balanced system that still performs well |
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i mean, some people run desktop OSes on Raspberry Pis. Now with Pi 4 they can have up to 8 gb RAM. |
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superkuh, maybe you need some Pi 4. Also supports 2x 4K HDMI out. |
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JAA |
Realistically, if you don't need fancy desktop graphics, you can probably get away with anything from the past 15 years or so. Lack of AES-NI may be the most annoying part, but that won't be noticeable for IRC obviously. |
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superkuh |
I have lots of sbcs running around the house. None as desktops. They all have 3x radio dongles plugged in and running 24/7. I wouldn't want to use a sbc as a desktop because, sure, it'd let me web browse and IRC, but then I'd have to take the info I learned from there and move it to an actual PC that can do tasks. |
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superkuh |
Web and IRC as the means, not the end. |
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JAA |
Well, as oppose to now, where you can't use (our) IRC and probably much of the web is broken or will break soon, that sounds like an improvement. |
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superkuh |
hackint and dn42 are the only networks out of, like, 30 I connect to that I have issues. |
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JAA |
Good to know that all the others are shit then. |
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superkuh |
Until the cert providers get pressured by the MPAA/RIAA to revoke because of archiving $whatever. |
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superkuh |
*Only* TLS is living on someone else's whim. |
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IRC clients should really just trust on first use and forget cert authorities. |
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superkuh |
Then my objection would be gone. |
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The CA system is fucked for sure (and nobody seems to want to implement DANE etc.), but I doubt such a revocation will ever happen. |
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superkuh |
You're probably right. |
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I hope it never occurs to "them". |
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The only revocations I'm aware of were of TPB, Sci-Hub, and similar sites. That's an entirely different thing than what we do, obviously. |
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I didn't know about sci-hub. That's worrying. |
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It's the usual game with those sites. They have valid certs on their current domains. |
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The revocation was a couple years ago: https://torrentfreak.com/sci-hub-pirate-bay-for-science-security-certs-revoked-by-comodo-ca-180503/ |
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Which also shows: getting your domain blocked is much more likely than certs getting revoked. |
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what does this mean? Especially the part of 'do tasks'? What is missing from a Ubuntu build running on R Pi 4 with keyboard/display/mouse? "I wouldn't want to use a sbc as a desktop because, sure, it'd let me web browse and IRC, but then I'd have to take the info I learned from there and move it to an actual PC that can do tasks." |
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https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-on-raspberry-pi-4 |
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https://www.maketecheasier.com/raspberry-pi-as-desktop/ |
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honestly though for the cost it takes to get a full Pi setup going, I suppose one could buy a decent Thinkpad T420 or T430 |
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i.e. Pi + storage + screen + keyboard + mouse |
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