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ola_norsk |
(as far as i know, at least) |
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kbtoo__ |
My only issues with wikipedia's edit history is occasionally wikipedia will decide after years that a article shouldn't exist and delete it which removes the ability to look at the edit history. Unless that's changed recently. |
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ola_norsk |
kbtoo__: http://brenthecht.com/publications/chi2018_wikipediavaluetoonlinecommunities.pdf |
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ola_norsk |
(a document i can disticly remember having uploaded, btw, but seems like it's gone now..hmm) |
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kbtoo__ |
Worked when I clicked on it but I don't understand how it relates |
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ola_norsk |
kbtoo__: "recruitment and retention strategies" are mentioned. I've not read it, but i did archive it (but now the item seems to be gone, besides the warc) |
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ola_norsk |
nvm (https://archive.org/details/chi2018_wikipedia_value_to_online_communities) |
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ola_norsk |
kbtoo__: But my point (to the github commenter) was that NPO's have certain requirements of transparency, that's all. |
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ola_norsk |
I'm no lawyer or american, but i doubt that it would be lawful for an NPO organization to present itself as neutral, while covertly being biased. I guess it would be akin to a vegan NPO accepting donations, while covertly supporting 'BaconRus, INC' i guess. |
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jrwr |
Added a new thingie to the Wiki, when it is overloaded, it will now display a small banner and load the wayback machine version of the wiki |
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jrwr |
so when we get linked on reddit and shit, the wiki isn't full down |
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06:19
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jrwr |
archiveteam.org/508.html -- if you want to add some JS logic or make it look better, just send me some HTML |
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psi |
kbtoo__: History is preserved once a page is deleted; however, it is only viewable to admins while it is, and can only be restored through undeletion (i.e. creating the page again manually doesn't restore it) |
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kode54 |
yeah, I'm mad |
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kode54 |
I wish I hadn't spent that |
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psi |
And people use Unraid why? |
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kode54 |
I guess because it tries to make itself simple |
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kiska |
Why do people use ESXi? |
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kode54 |
you flash it to a USB drive, install it in a machine to boot off the USB (its software license is against the GUID of the exact flash drive) |
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psi |
I'd rather do something complicated and free than simple and proprietary |
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kode54 |
yeah, people do it for the simplicity |
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kiska |
Or XenServer, or hyper-V, or any other virtualisation software? |
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kode54 |
unfortunately, I found Unraid more complicated than I cared to deal with, and it couldn't really be used as a desktop host machine at the same time, either |
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kode54 |
I got "sold" on it by watching Linus' two gaming machines in a single tower video |
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kiska |
You can do the same thing on the more expensive ESXi! |
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kode54 |
ESXi is free if you only use 8 cores per VM |
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psi |
I spent the better part of 3 days setting up Portainer over https instead of signing up for whatever docker management studios are out there |
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kiska |
Or you don't need PCIe passthrough |
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kode54 |
that comes free, last I tried it |
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kiska |
Yeah ver. 6 doesn't have it, you need to pay for it |
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kode54 |
yuck, it worked in 6 last time I tried it, like, three years ago |
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kode54 |
that's a cutting blow there |
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kode54 |
half of the reason I even wanted to use a VM was to mistreat it like a hypervisor |
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kiska |
Yeah 6.5 doesn't have it, you need to pay for it. As long as you stay <=6 then you have it I guess |
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kode54 |
turns out, it isn't the most comfortable, needs extreme low latency host kernel for halfway decent DPC latency in the guests |
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kode54 |
at least if you let any of the cores share with the host, which you kind of have to unless you really want to run a desktop without the "full" resources of the host machine |
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kode54 |
becomes much easier in this case just to run Windows bare metal and run Hyper-V |
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kiska |
Meh |
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kode54 |
but I'm not running Windows right now |
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kiska |
XenServer is pretty low latency so xD |
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kode54 |
nice |
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kode54 |
I'll have to try that some day |
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kiska |
Or proxmox, have fun! |
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kode54 |
I know most Linux distributions that are desktop use, the "default" kernels for many of them aren't low latency, and that's terrible for trying to do anything multimedia on guests |
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kode54 |
the low latency audio subsystem of Windows will glitch regularly, no matter what sort of sound device you are using |
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kode54 |
virtual ICH6/ICH9, virtual USB, PCIe passthrough Realtek, PCIe passthrough USB interface with a USB sound device plugged in |
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kode54 |
I found I could fix that with the Zen kernel back in the day |
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kode54 |
that's not low latency enough for macOS VMs, though |
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kode54 |
and in recent attempts to passthrough things, I found that it's a Really Bad Idea to try to pass through your host machine's boot GPU |
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kiska |
Yep |
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kode54 |
mainly, if a desktop or login screen is present, it will oops and fail |
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kode54 |
and even then, it will most definitely fail to switch back to the Linux context after the VM is terminated |
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kode54 |
I've decided the only real option is just to dual boot |
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09:03
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kiska |
I work with ESXi and XenServer, I know |
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kode54 |
excellent, that's cool |
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kiska |
Actually, my workstation is unraid'd |
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kode54 |
the big thing I didn't like about XenServer was that it requires a Windows client to configure it |
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kode54 |
or maybe some not so easy to use FOSS client? I don't remember now |
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kiska |
Sure about that? I was configuring XenServer about 45 mins ago with ssh |
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kode54 |
I think I also remember it wanting to access all install and target volumes over NFS |
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kode54 |
oh |
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kode54 |
SSH, heh, duh |
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kiska |
Command line xD |
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kode54 |
I do that sort of the lazy way, using virsh |
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Flashfire |
Its bad I cant use the CLI |
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kode54 |
editing a giant xml mishmash in vim |
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kode54 |
but I do cheap out and let virt-manager generate the initial definition for me |
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kode54 |
I suppose virt-install would work as well |
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kiska |
I do it myself, so I know it does what I want it to |
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kode54 |
I don't always know how to hand configure the different components, like the PCIe root controller, the bridges, the serial interfaces, etc |
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kiska |
xD |
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kode54 |
the only VM I currently have is my Windows development platform, which has sadly grown to a 128GB volume |
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kiska |
Anyway I've got to go now, I've got to mess around with Proxmox |
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09:07
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kode54 |
Visual Studio keeps getting bigger |
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09:07
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kode54 |
see you around |
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kiska |
VS is a piece of junk |
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kode54 |
I develop software for an audio player that long ago decided its API would be C++ classes, so its DLL ABI is 100% VS based |
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kode54 |
on all other platforms it currently exists on, there is no plugin support, it's all compiled into one static blob, same interfaces statically linked |
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_niklas |
I think we'd all be a lot less upset about VS size if we weren't in the habit of compulsively clicking every installer option |
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kode54 |
yeah, true |
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Flashfire |
Accidentally installs adware |
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_niklas |
I probably have 5 _windows phone_ images on here thanks to that |
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Flashfire |
I collect them upload them to virustotal and then dissect them in text edit randomly |
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psi |
Eternal love for its open-source namesake tho kiska |
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psi |
VS Code is great |
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psi |
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/281958097252122624/525983131396997140/unknown.png hmm |
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psi |
how acceptable is 130kB of JS for a pageload |
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kiska |
psi: Ask facebook if its acceptable to inject 2MiB of JS |
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psi |
well, no |
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kiska |
Then you have your answer. I try to use as little client side rendering as much as possible, opting for server side(ie php) |
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psi |
Mm, fair enough |
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kiska |
There is stuff you have to do on the client, like validation, but yeah limit it |
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hook54321 |
ivan_: Does phantomjs still work in grab-site? |
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JAA |
Well, you need validation on the server anyway, so even that isn't really necessary to do on the client. |
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JAA |
hook54321: I believe ivan removed phantomjs entirely in his wpull fork which is used by grab-site. So no, I don't think it works. |
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hook54321 |
ah ok |
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hook54321 |
darn |
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HCross |
any idea why FTP now fails on grab-site |
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JAA |
HCross: Fails how? FTP is very unstable in wpull 2.0.x because it has nearly no error handling, so any timeout, connection reset, etc. kills wpull. |
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HCross |
https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1oGdVfxX/ |
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psi |
Progress on my dashboard thingy - the last thing that needs doing is removing old and finished messages https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DT4KbIfW/image.png |
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