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systwi |
Is there a way for me to take a collection of my WARCs and remove any duplicate data from them to save space? e.g. If example.com.warc has the same .png as lolcats.com.warc, remove one copy and put a note inside the other to instruct the WARC viewer to grab the .png from the other WARC |
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I don't know of an easy way, but it is possible. |
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For inspiration, look at the dedupe script on Newsgrabber. |
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Would be cool if there was a CLI tool or something and you just feed it a folder |
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But you need to be very careful with it. |
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systwi |
#newsgrabber? |
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JAA |
(Also, that script uses a way larger setup than just deduping a few WARCs among each other.) |
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https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/NewsGrabber-Warrior/blob/master/dedupe.py |
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ola_norsk |
if you're talking about what i think you are; I've often thought about using grab-site in combination of a 'finished WARCS' folder and a script using 'entr' to auto upload them, rather than manually naming the warc(s) items |
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But again, you can't just use that. |
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ola_norsk: We're not talking about any uploads, no. |
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ah |
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systwi: If you haven't worked with WARCs in detail before, I'd recommend you don't try to write a tool that does this. There are so many things you can get wrong when dealing with WARCs. (Hell, most implementations are not in accordance with the spec.) |
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Ok I won't even bother then. That's probably my safest option anyway. |
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I can only attest to the fact that the times i've even tried to use 'warc-tools' join function, it's corrupted the warcs |
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Joining WARCs is as simple as concatenating them together. |
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Unless you mean something else by "join". |
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i'll try to find the util i mean |
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ola_norsk |
i think it's this https://github.com/internetarchive/warctools |
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ola_norsk |
though, i can't remember if i ungzipped them before trying |
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ola_norsk |
JAA: is it as simple as using e.g 'cat file1.warc file2.warc' ? |
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ola_norsk |
with an output? |
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JAA |
Yes, assuming the two initial files are valid WARCs, that combines them into one file. |
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JAA |
If the initial files are corrupt, anything can happen. |
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JAA |
Regarding warctools, that's unmaintained, ancient, and broken IIRC. |
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ola_norsk |
doh :( i think that's what i relied on |
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ola_norsk |
i'll try to install it again, and test with 2 warcs |
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ola_norsk |
and test the same with 'cat' command |
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ola_norsk |
JAA: when you say 'ancient' , would that be ~2+ years ago? |
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ola_norsk |
i just remember i could never get it to join warcs that it itself would verify |
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ola_norsk: Development on that thing essentially stopped in 2013. Only few commits afterwards. |
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ola_norsk |
:/ |
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JAA |
I think the WARC/1.0 spec wasn't even finalised yet at that time. |
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ola_norsk |
would this problem be with (https://github.com/chfoo/warcat) as well? .. I believe i tried that one also |
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JAA |
I know I've had issues with warcat before, but don't remember the details. |
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JAA |
Oh, but I filed an issue. :-) https://github.com/chfoo/warcat/issues/19 |
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ola_norsk |
I think every (of the few times) i tried those two tools, WARC items ended up "red flagged" on IA |
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JAA |
What were you trying to achieve? |
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ola_norsk |
it happened when uploading 'mediatype:web' items , where i had joined warcs together |
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ola_norsk |
it was when i had just recently heard of you guys, and had checked out https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=The_WARC_Ecosystem for nifty tools |
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ola_norsk |
so not recently |
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ola_norsk |
i can't remember when i first heard about there being a 'mediatype:web" , but it was here |
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JAA: i can't recall as to why , at the time.. But today, i'd say it's because webrecorder's filename-timestamps are a bit much |
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ola_norsk |
(they timestamp each downloaded warc seemingly down to the minute, even if contenct is identical) |
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ola_norsk |
content* |
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JAA |
I've never used webrecorder, so no idea about that. |
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JAA |
In any case, unless you have thousands of files, just upload them as they are into the same item and let IA deal with it. |
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JAA |
Or verify that they are intact, then 'cat' them together. |
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But that verification itself isn't easy. I wrote my own tool for it a while ago because all the tools I could find sucked. |
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(My tool sucks too though.) |
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ola_norsk |
is there even any way to effectively very the content, other than veryfying and pruning out any unfinished data? |
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ola_norsk |
let's say a web server goes down in the middle of warching, breaking the transfer, and then comes up again.. It might be then have served a broken transfer, or changed content when coming back up..or? |
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ola_norsk |
i don't know how is that even possible to verity? |
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ola_norsk |
verify* |
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Well, it's complicated. |
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JAA |
If a connection gets closed unexpectedly or similar errors occur, normally nothing is written to WARC at all. |
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JAA |
The spec does permit writing truncated records in principle though. |
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JAA |
That can be useful for example when you grab a audio or video stream. |
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But I'm not aware of any tool that does this currently. |
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JAA |
Regarding verification, what I meant above is checking that the WARC is a valid file. For example, if the machine crashes while the WARC is being written, it could be invalid (partial record at the end). |
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JAA |
If you then concatenate that file with another (valid) WARC, you get a broken output file. |
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JAA |
(Specifically, everything in the second WARC would be broken.) |
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ola_norsk |
but, in a WARC grav, would newer content trump old recordings? |
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ola_norsk |
grab* |
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ola_norsk can't even type straight |
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ola_norsk |
or would the previous data still remain in the WARC? |
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ola_norsk |
in a hypothetical case of where the server goes down in the middle of a page load |
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ola_norsk |
and then comes back up, before the timeout |
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JAA |
Either the page download completes or it doesn't. There is no way for the server to go down (break the connection) before having sent the complete response without triggering an error in the client (= the tool writing the WARC file). |
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JAA |
(Well, it's possible if there's a proxy inbetween or whatever, but let's focus on the simple case.) |
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ola_norsk |
I know some ISP's deliver a 'This client has exceeded it's maximum bandwith' , rather than serving an error. https://archive.org/details/TedISTheOneGod.net-2019-02-26-9e8cc581 |
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ola_norsk |
would that mean that the 'exceeded bandwidth' page would basically overwrite previous captures? |
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No, you'd just end up with two captures. |
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ola_norsk |
ok |
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ola_norsk |
that Ted site i think is where i maxed out monthly bandwidth. [And i really hope he didn't get billed for it :( ] |
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ola_norsk |
In retrospect, i should've used 'max filesize' in grab-site, since he's got 100GB tar on it |
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JAA |
I don't know what Ted is smoking, but I want some of that stuff. |
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ola_norsk |
He's got his own English (seriously) |
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ola_norsk |
He's crazy as f*ck , but there's something to his 'Ted's English' |
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ola_norsk |
https://youtu.be/r00yVL2rJqk |
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ola_norsk |
just a heads up, his site contains a bit of pr0n |
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ola_norsk |
His 'Ted's English' is seriously quite fascinating |
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ola_norsk |
in a linguistic sense |
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ola_norsk |
that's why i tried to archive it |
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ola_norsk |
https://imgur.com/a/kCoDK6W |
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ola_norsk |
i'm not being facetious saying that there's something 'deep' and 'poetic' to the way he writes |
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ola_norsk |
His 'Bundle Files' is what killed my WARC attempt, or rather his monthly bandwith |
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ola_norsk |
https://tedistheonegod.net/BundlesOfFiles/TedISTheOneGod.Net-BundlesOfFiles-TableOfContents.html |
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ola_norsk |
JAA: would you happen to know of a WARC tool where download rate can be limited? grab-site only got requests and delay between |
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