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Stiletto |
eventually Domesday86 Duplicator will be able to capture Betamax and then software decode can be improved as time goes on. VHS capture is already a thing with it, though decoding is still a serious work in progress. :) |
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markedL |
that's pretty neat. reminds me of the laser pickup for audio records (LPs) |
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ola_norsk |
Are all videos under 'MirrorTube' marked as 'noindex: true' , even if they are licensed as PD/CC0 ? |
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06:12
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ola_norsk |
e.g Jørg Sprave/Slingshot Channel , and Memeology101, seems to have gone PD in their choice of license on youtube, but for some reason trying to set them as such will be reverted afterwards |
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06:13
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ola_norsk using TubeUp |
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06:23
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ola_norsk |
e.g If a video is set by the author to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ , Attributon being the only clause, why do those get set to 'noindex' ? |
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dxrt |
I believe this was put in place to stop people dumping lots of crap |
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ola_norsk |
dxrt: do you mean youtube 'reupload' and 'mirror' videos? |
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dxrt |
yeah - have a look here https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup/pull/101 |
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ola_norsk |
ty |
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06:32
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ola_norsk |
my problem is i can't recall which ones i actually have uploaded, since not even 'ia' will recall it for me when they are noindexed (eventhough they will show if i scroll trough my profile) |
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06:34
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ola_norsk |
e.g if i were to search for items using 'uploader:duckhuntpr0', they won't list... |
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dxrt |
urgh. |
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06:35
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ola_norsk |
they are visible trough logging into IA though, but nothing else. |
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dxrt |
Is there some way to get a list of your uploads |
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ola_norsk |
only by logging into the web page it seems, and going to profile. |
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godane |
i'm glad that i can see them when logged in |
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dxrt |
Load them all up, view source, dump into excel? |
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ola_norsk |
it would be nice to be able to 'see them' trough using IA tool as well though |
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dxrt |
my youtube uploads haven't been noindexed |
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dxrt |
yeah. |
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ola_norsk |
dxrt: how many did you upload? https://i.imgur.com/tKWgYly.png |
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06:56
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ola_norsk |
I totally get that IA don't want to be a general video hosting platform.. But where's the 'research' in it, if not even a command line tool will get the data from archived items?? |
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06:57
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ola_norsk |
E.g If i wanted to get a list of current 'video ids' and json's, of archived youtube videos, what would i need to do? |
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ola_norsk |
dxrt: could you fashion me a 'ia search' command line, because if your is giving back results i might've fubared up something locally. |
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ola_norsk using IA 1.8.5 |
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ola_norsk |
https://pastebin.com/raw/50uvqdvp |
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dxrt |
I just checked, so my uploads are in community video and haven't been moved elsewhere. if/when they get moved they will dissapear I imagine. |
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dxrt |
https://archive.org/details/@lpuvaogpsot1yiow?tab=uploads |
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ola_norsk |
that pastebin is from me running : ia search "collection:archiveteam_youtube" |
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dxrt |
geez, one uploader, there must be so much crap. |
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07:09
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dxrt |
nup, my ia search is the same as yours |
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ola_norsk |
dxrt: here's what i see of your link https://i.imgur.com/MHh75vm.png .. are the numbers ~ok ? |
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dxrt |
yeah, just one more (1490) cos they literally just uploaded something else. |
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07:13
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dxrt |
now it's down to 1483. |
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ola_norsk |
hmm i'm getting open to the chance i'm being retarded in doing my query strings.. Here's mine: https://archive.org/details/@duckhuntpr0 |
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ola_norsk |
dxrt: if you wanted to recall all mirrortube uploads you've done, using the ia tool, what would the command line be? |
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ola_norsk |
to your account(s), mean |
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ola_norsk |
i mean* |
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ola_norsk |
https://archive.org/search.php?query=%28lpuvaogpsot1yiow%29%20AND%20collection%3A%28archiveteam_youtube%29 |
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dxrt |
:/ |
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ola_norsk |
i'm getting wierded out |
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dxrt |
They're as good as gone once they have noindex. |
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Kaz |
yeah, tubeup made it too easy to spam IA with content that had little-to-no value, and wasn't at risk |
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Kaz |
they'll probably be reindexed years in the future. |
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ola_norsk |
Kaz: what does that mean? 'reindexed' ? |
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Kaz |
the opposite of noindex |
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ola_norsk |
oh ok, then license might be observed? |
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Kaz |
not a clue, ask info@archive.org |
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ola_norsk |
i seriously don't care a lot if 'youtubers' loose their shit while insiting to stay youtube exclusives, but fuck me i'd be a bit annoyed if i was doing archiving of 'shadowbanned' shit, and it all turned out to be even more shadowbanned at IA |
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Kaz |
uh huh |
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ola_norsk |
Kaz: i'm just going to trust IA doing the right thing. |
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Kaz |
I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund if you find their service lacking in any capacity |
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Kaz |
the lesson here is that nobody should be treating IA as a single point of permanent storage |
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Kaz |
laws (both legal and physical) will result in availability always being less than 100% |
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ola_norsk |
Kaz: 'I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund' .. I think i got off on the wrong foot on my sentence.. IA is a https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations not for profit org, while YouTube is certainly not |
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ola_norsk |
conflating them both as equally 'free services' is IMO a bit off kilter |
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Kaz |
What I’m saying is that most people pay absolutely nothing to use IA or youtube, so should pretty much expect nothing from them |
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ola_norsk |
youtube operates on attention-economy, same as cable tv etc |
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ola_norsk |
wait, is cable tv with ads? :/ i mean tv with advertisement |
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07:41
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ola_norsk |
Kaz: IMO "so should pretty much expect nothing from them" , is not quite true.. One should expect them to operate by their given public funding (which IA surpassed with gold-medal level IMO) |
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ola_norsk |
though, being a charity org carries certain expecations of transparency |
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ola_norsk |
BTW: If it's a fact that Brewster Kahle have never been recognized for a nobel prize, that's beyond me |
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Kaz |
the US government isn't paying IA for people to sling content from youtube into permanent storage. IA goes *much* further than just being file storage. |
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Kaz |
I'm not a citizen of the US, they receive no public funding from the UK as far as I'm aware. On your logic I should trust it less than someone from the US, but that doesn't seem quite right. |
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ola_norsk |
I'm norwegian, so my logic is sometimes lost midway due to crude english. But in no way did i claim they should be trusted any lesser for being in the US. |
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Raccoon |
A Nobel prize for library sciences would be nifty |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: _very_ late and extremely deserving though |
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ola_norsk |
Kaz: my problem is solely the ia tool not reporting back correct search: https://i.imgur.com/GyqsABO.png |
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ola_norsk |
more specifically, it wont list the 'tubeups' i've done prior |
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Raccoon |
at least put a copy of The Internet Archive in that arctic vault, next to the copy of Github, and Bill Gates' heirloom corn seed |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: :D ..I was thinking a working mirror at Green Mountain, and svalbard on the side lol |
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ola_norsk |
But hey, ship it, and they'll stuff it in there :D |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: the thing is, Svalbard is not a decent global impact 'bunker' for things..Safety lies in redundancy |
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Raccoon |
i think the idea was to keep it away from conflict zones and airborn particulates / disease etc |
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ola_norsk |
aye, and norway is kind of politically nice as such i would think |
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Raccoon |
"it's cold. nobody wants to come here and ef with it." |
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ola_norsk |
it's cold, but it's not that cold :D |
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ola_norsk |
10 False Facts About Norway - https://youtu.be/rvDkvVskJfY |
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Raccoon |
just don't mention it contains artistic renderings of certain religious prophets and it should be fine. |
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ola_norsk |
personally, i'm a Job'ite, i don't care what ails people have with various religious shit |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: i'm not sure how plainly i might speak here. But in similar manner shouldn't religious or political activies influence _archivism_ ( https://youtu.be/3HDRmTDAIsI ) |
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ola_norsk |
archive it all, and be better for it |
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Raccoon |
perhaps. but historically seems to cause the destruction of libraries more than anything else. |
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ola_norsk |
might be true, though there's political alignments that done a bit of it as well |
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Raccoon |
Religion has been defined as a form of political government or nation state unconstrained by land borders or place of residence. "sneaky government" |
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ola_norsk |
i'm not sure if that's the full definition of 'religious' , but in all and every way, it sucks |
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ola_norsk |
i used to be what some might call fundamentalist christian ~10+ years ago |
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ola_norsk |
btw |
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ola_norsk |
HOW 'ot' is this 'archiveteam-ot' ? :D is it ok to have such discussion? |
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ola_norsk |
lol..we've gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay OT :D |
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Raccoon |
might get some eye rolls when people wake up. |
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ola_norsk |
i drink beer, i don't hide it :D |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: https://imgur.com/a/QsG69jA |
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ola_norsk |
_THAT_ is Nobel price worthy man |
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ola_norsk |
it's plain ridicoulous if Kahle haven't been nominated before |
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Raccoon |
I wonder if IA has a page dedicated to instances where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence |
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08:29
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Raccoon |
I know I've read or heard about it happening easily a dozen times |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: 'WBM' ? |
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08:30
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Raccoon |
wayback machine |
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ola_norsk |
i swear, most people don't even know that IA is more than waybackmachine |
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08:32
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Raccoon |
IA isn't really very well marketed, and perhaps not in the greatest position to market to too wide of an audience |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: i have no doubt that has actually happened |
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ola_norsk |
"where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence |
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Raccoon |
ola_norsk, oh yea, lots. defamation claims, covering up evidence of predatory marketing, presenting printouts of the now-altered website as courtroom evidence |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: hehe, i'm sure they've even been accuse of hacking by ignorant 'netizens' |
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ola_norsk |
:D |
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Raccoon |
People from AT and IA have certainly been sued for copyright infringement and defamation themselves. |
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08:37
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ola_norsk |
'i never wanted my blog post that i tried to garner attention to, to be public!' :D |
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Raccoon |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY |
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ola_norsk |
hehe |
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Raccoon |
oh jeez, that was 10 years ago already |
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ola_norsk |
i don't very much care about copyright. I feel i've redeemed myself of whatever i 'stole' with my steamaccount :D |
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ola_norsk |
meanwhile, Nintendo still ove me money after shutting 'wii bucks' or whatever the fuck they called it |
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ola_norsk |
23NOK they owe me, since the wii store closed |
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Raccoon |
what can you buy with 23 NOK |
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ola_norsk |
1 can of beer |
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Raccoon |
heh |
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ola_norsk |
that is the price, but have to add the 2Kr return |
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ola_norsk |
but yeah, 'what can you buy in norway for 23 nok' = 1 can of beer, barely |
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ola_norsk |
or 1 pack of rizla rolling papers |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: lol..people usually would've answered 'a bread' :D |
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ola_norsk |
a bread is ~30+ nok |
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Raccoon |
i haven't seen beer cheaper than bread since i was born. |
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ola_norsk |
aye, it's mongoloid..It's basically just a way to keep shit drinkingwater palatable |
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ola_norsk |
now suddenly 'IPA' is somehow some artisan shit? lol |
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ola_norsk |
'let's load these barrels with some extra shit in it, and see if they spew when it gets to them'.. lol |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: I take it you're from blighty; Anywho and regardless of all shit, prophets, paupers and politclittans and otherwise; https://youtu.be/WblI5OGEhTI |
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ola_norsk |
Raccoon: http://reformsection5.org.uk/ |
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VoynichCr |
there is an option to keep a log of uploaded youtube videos: tubeup --use-download-archive |
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I'm sure IA people wouldn't be opposed to putting a full mirror into the vaults on Svalbard, assuming someone fully funds that project. |
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Raccoon |
Does anyone know of any given name for the Date Time format: Tue Jan 01 12:34:56 2019 |
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JAA |
"Awful"? |
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Raccoon |
heh. |
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Raccoon |
It's used by (at least) the mIRC IRC client for at least 24 years |
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JAA |
It's close to what GNU date produces by default as well. |
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JAA |
(Except it's missing the TZ.) |
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JAA |
Mon 2 Dec 18:06:29 UTC 2019 |
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JAA |
Oh, and swapped month/day. |
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Raccoon |
oh, not ticky tacking +0000 at the end |
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Raccoon |
i've seen that addition as well |
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JAA |
ISO-8601 or bust. |
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JAA |
Actually, RFC 3339 or bust. |
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Raccoon |
gotta say, not a huge fan. indeed, i've perhaps never seen xxxTyyy in a printed timestamp |
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JAA |
(But it's very similar to ISO 8601.) |
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JAA |
Yeah, the "T" is the one thing I don't like about ISO 8601. |
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JAA |
But it's very common to replace it with a string, although not strictly standards-conforming IIRC. |
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Raccoon |
I mean, I get it, but it's just not friendly on the eyes. |
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JAA |
with a space* |
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Raccoon |
[00:00] * Day changed to 02 Dec 2019, a Monday. --- Summary #archiveteam-ot: 146 Users [@19+0-127] |
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JAA |
I've been using YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS in my logs since ever because it's the only datetime format that actually makes sense. |
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Raccoon |
I have never found a document listing all the variety of date time strings, or string parts, identified by name / use / locale |
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JAA |
Yeah, I was just looking for a list of relevant standards and couldn't find anything either. |
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JAA |
Horrible Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation |
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Raccoon |
I might have to conduct original research, publish, then self-reference on wikipedia |
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Raccoon |
one of the obsticles to such a document is the uncanny popular desire to promote one format above the other with supreme rhetoric |
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Any format that's consistently big endian is fine with me. Anything else can go fuck off. :-) |
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Oh, and lexicographic sorting. But whether you write it as "YYYYMMDD" or "It is the year of YYYY, in MM, on the DDth" doesn't matter. |
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And of course outside of computers, other formats may be more suitable. |
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Indeed. There is a time and place for other formats. Rigid roboticized standards distract from flow and comprehension, visual style... the more machine readable a format is defines exactly how human-unreadable it will be. |
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And then how many months make a year? Or no years at all? Makes it fun to remember the seasons. |
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If we didn't have months of varying lengths, that would help a lot as well. |
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The 13 month calendar is pretty neat. |
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The month of Judas, just after Christmas? |
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astrid: Hofferson or Farnsworth? |
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hm? |
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people named Astrid; 'who wore it better' |
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*fictional characters |
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It's not a very common name is it? Think those are the only two I know of |
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sorry |
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well now you know a third :) |
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SketchCow, did your zany friend, the Private AG, pass away last year? Do you happen to know his DOB? |
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No. |
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