#archiveteam-ot 2018-07-15,Sun

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10:52 πŸ”— kiska I've setup thelounge on one of my vms, I guess if you want to use it message me and I'll setup a user for you
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18:02 πŸ”— schbirid wow elon musk
18:05 πŸ”— Kaz what's he doing
18:05 πŸ”— Kaz did tweets get deleted? I don't see anything too bad
18:25 πŸ”— schbirid https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1018497953051258880 :D
18:26 πŸ”— kiska Oooof!
18:26 πŸ”— Arctic TL;DR please.
18:26 πŸ”— kiska PR is going to have a fun time cleaning that up
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19:01 πŸ”— Kaz ah i see
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21:35 πŸ”— flashfloo JAA I figured this convo was best had here
21:36 πŸ”— flashfloo Yeah apple reached the Australian education system first hence a lot of Australian schools only have apple products
21:36 πŸ”— flashfloo My school does offer chrome books but I would rather run MacOS
21:36 πŸ”— JAA Surely they can't force you to use Apple though?
21:37 πŸ”— flashfloo They can’t force us but they won’t hook anything not apple up to the wifi
21:37 πŸ”— JAA And that's legal?
21:37 πŸ”— JAA Or has it just not been challenged yet?
21:37 πŸ”— flashfloo Strangely enough yes
21:37 πŸ”— flashfloo Not been challenged by someone with enough money
21:37 πŸ”— JAA Right
21:37 πŸ”— flashfloo Not sure one of them
21:38 πŸ”— flashfloo I mean the alternative is a gimped chrome book with restrictions by the education department.
21:38 πŸ”— flashfloo I’d rather try and install a custom Linux OS on my MacBook than run chromium stuff again
21:39 πŸ”— flashfloo I only use Google Chrome because Firefox doesn’t connect properly with our proxies
21:40 πŸ”— JAA Meaning?
21:40 πŸ”— flashfloo Meaning we run eduroam which is run by the Australian government
21:40 πŸ”— flashfloo Customised for each school
21:40 πŸ”— flashfloo My IT department blocked Firefox
21:41 πŸ”— flashfloo They want us to use Safari but I have found most things work with chrome
21:41 πŸ”— JAA Uh, is that a different eduroam than the one I know from European universities?
21:41 πŸ”— JAA Because the eduroam we have here has absolutely nothing to do with the browser.
21:42 πŸ”— flashfloo Well our IT department has done something with the internet in that Firefox only runs into errors
21:42 πŸ”— JAA It's just a wireless network where authentication happens through your university's servers. You connect with a username of name@university.example.org and your university's password, then you get a direct connection.
21:42 πŸ”— flashfloo Chrome works fine but occasionally needs to be rebooted
21:43 πŸ”— flashfloo There is an additional blocker on it then. Opera worked for about 10 minutes then kicked me out i can’t connect with that anymore
21:43 πŸ”— flashfloo We use smoothwall to block any sites that the school doesn’t want us to have access to
21:43 πŸ”— flashfloo I cut a deal with the department a while ago
21:44 πŸ”— flashfloo If I feed them sites every now and again they ignore all the flags that come up during my browsing
21:44 πŸ”— flashfloo Every time you try and access a blocked site you get a flag against your name
21:44 πŸ”— flashfloo At last count I have surpassed 10000
21:46 πŸ”— flashfloo I am reduced to using mibbit for IRC which I have my IT department at a standstill connecting using a university IRC connection
21:46 πŸ”— flashfloo Underworld.no I think
21:46 πŸ”— flashfloo They can’t block it cause technically it’s an education network
21:48 πŸ”— flashfloo JAA that’s also why I often need to be revoiced at school.
21:48 πŸ”— JAA All of this sounds fucking awful. What a shithole country. ;-)
21:49 πŸ”— flashfloo Didn’t your country survive by staying neutral 24/7 ;-)
21:49 πŸ”— Kaz I always thought eduroam was a UK thing, that expanded to EU//wherever else
21:49 πŸ”— Kaz idk
21:49 πŸ”— flashfloo But internet laws are shit
21:50 πŸ”— flashfloo Eduroam for us is probably an offshoot of that. Tells me I can connect to any eduroam network across the globe
21:50 πŸ”— flashfloo Ironically the blocking of browsers only works on my schools network. I connect to other eduroam networks and use Firefox just fine
21:50 πŸ”— JAA Kaz: Apparently founded by institutions from several European countries.
21:51 πŸ”— JAA "The first non-European country to join eduroam was Australia, in December 2004."
21:51 πŸ”— Kaz Yeah, I only have experience with JANET in the UK so not sure how I got that idea really
21:52 πŸ”— JAA flashfloo: Well, if we're going down that route, your country only exists because the British wanted to get rid of their criminals (or whoever they considered criminal/undesired), so... :-)
21:53 πŸ”— flashfloo I mean the land mass was always there. But yeah what we call Australia now started from a penal colony.
21:54 πŸ”— flashfloo So btw if you lot have any obscure browsers or free VPNs or even IRC workarounds for me to try let me know
21:55 πŸ”— flashfloo I wonder if The Lounge would run on my school network
21:55 πŸ”— flashfloo School holidays are over now so I may as well try
21:56 πŸ”— flashfloo The school used to block internet for people with to many flags against there names but I feed enough info to the IT department to have a bit more freedom
21:56 πŸ”— JAA Well, The Lounge is just another IRC client, so probably yes. I doubt you'd be able to connect to it from the outside though unless you set up something outside the school network.
21:57 πŸ”— flashfloo Hm I will have to look into it
21:57 πŸ”— flashfloo Also any browsers to recommend. Cause I want to mess with the department a bit on my first day back. Keep them on there toes.
21:58 πŸ”— JAA their*
21:58 πŸ”— flashfloo Sorry
21:59 πŸ”— JAA I've been using Firefox exclusively for 12 years or so, so I'm definitely the wrong person for that question.
22:00 πŸ”— flashfloo That’s fine. I use chrome on my laptop often more cause I forget I can use Firefox at home. I only have Firefox on my desktop though
22:01 πŸ”— JAA I'm not very happy about how Firefox evolved over the past few years, so I'm playing with the idea of trying to switch to Chromium, but that probably won't happen.
22:02 πŸ”— Kaz I'd love to switch to FF, but tree style tabs decides to die on me after ~50 tabs or so, consistently
22:02 πŸ”— Kaz it's a shame
22:02 πŸ”— flashfloo I like the chromium style I just don’t like the idea of google spying on me
22:02 πŸ”— flashfloo I had a friend that used Palemoon but I don’t think it’s been updated for a while
22:04 πŸ”— JAA Kaz: Huh, I have no problems with TST even at hundreds of tabs. I'm still on version 52 though because migrating to the WebExtensions is a pain in some cases.
22:05 πŸ”— Kaz it's been a while since I've tried if I'm honest, but it would just sort of lock itself up as if it was trying to... reload itself?
22:05 πŸ”— JAA Well, not "no problems", but nothing significant. There are some small bugs like it not opening new tabs at the right level (child instead of sibling).
22:06 πŸ”— Kaz restarting FF never resolved it, and it'd sort itself out after ~10 minutes.. during which time you can't change tabs using it
22:06 πŸ”— JAA Interesting
22:07 πŸ”— flashfloo I use chrome. I have extensions that are convenient and my details have been sold to a Lebanese trucking company
22:18 πŸ”— HCross Opera
22:18 πŸ”— * HCross ducks
22:24 πŸ”— flashfloo πŸ˜‚
22:24 πŸ”— * flashfloo throws something at ducked HCross
22:26 πŸ”— flashfloo Anyone else?
22:27 πŸ”— JAA I've been meaning to give Brave a shot.
22:27 πŸ”— flashfloo I’ll try that one out that’s the one that’s all privacy oriented so they say yeah I
22:28 πŸ”— flashfloo I used Mercury browser on my phone for a while which was good but don’t honk it has a desktop release
22:42 πŸ”— SketchCow I use Brave all the time.
22:42 πŸ”— SketchCow It boots up a tor node, so be aware of that, freaked me out
22:46 πŸ”— JAA Relay, I hope?
22:46 πŸ”— JAA Or just a connection to the Tor network?
22:47 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, the former wouldn't really make any sense. Disregard that. I should probably go to bed anyway.
22:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I have no idea
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23:13 πŸ”— flashfire hey kiska what was that relay you had set up? The Lounge didnt work
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23:46 πŸ”— flashfire How do I check metadata on applications?

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