#archiveteam-ot 2018-10-23,Tue

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00:35 🔗 lindalap SketchCow: Any statistics of % of uploads are spam at IA?
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01:05 🔗 SketchCow No
01:18 🔗 Flashfire YAY SKETCHCOW
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03:26 🔗 user hey, some years ago i remember to see a website explaining how to download data sets before trump administration. do you know which website is that?
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06:30 🔗 Flashfire So excited for my grad
06:55 🔗 jut Graduation?
06:57 🔗 BlueMax So excited for his grad...ual slide into death
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09:25 🔗 JAA user: If you mean the climate data: http://climatemirror.org/
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12:56 🔗 user JAA: yes!!! thank you!
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16:24 🔗 JAA Gah, can Python 2 please die already? Today, I've been bitten by the fact that Python 2's object.__ne__ does not delegate to __eq__. So when you have an object with a custom __eq__ method, o1 == o2 and o1 != o2 can be True at the same time. Nice...
16:42 🔗 ivan the Python developers created an unwanted jobs program by making subtle semantic changes that required some of the bigger Python projects to spend millions of dollars of developer-hours to convert their code to Python 3, rather than taking the approach of e.g. Java or Rust editions where the compiler can compile both old and new code
16:42 🔗 ivan then people come along well into Python 3 and wonder why some Python 2 code didn't get ported
16:42 🔗 ivan well, maybe they had better things to do
16:44 🔗 ivan https://ludios.org/testing-your-eq-ne-cmp/ :-)
16:49 🔗 JAA Even if they had done that, eventually, they'd have to stop supporting the old version unless they want to carry on that cruft forever. So the migration would've been necessary at some point anyway.
17:08 🔗 JAA I think their decision to do one *big* change was a good thing. Yes, porting to Python 3 is tricky, but breaking stuff in every minor version is how you get people to still use PHP 5.3 (or even older versions) years after their EOL...
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17:42 🔗 ivan they're breaking stuff in minor versions too, now :-) (async)
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18:15 🔗 JAA Well yeah, but only very few things.
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