#archiveteam-ot 2019-04-30,Tue

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01:21 🔗 JAA Hmmm, interesting: echo -e '\e[0;31mte\nst\e[0m' vs echo -e '\e[0;31mte\nst\e[0m' | less -R
01:27 🔗 ivan heh, nice find
01:30 🔗 JAA It works correctly with less -r by the way.
01:31 🔗 JAA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
01:31 🔗 Fusl -R or --RAW-CONTROL-CHARS
01:31 🔗 Fusl Like -r, but only ANSI "color" escape sequences are output in "raw" form.
01:31 🔗 ivan -r is going to have issues as you page up and down
01:32 🔗 Fusl for obvious reasons
01:37 🔗 JAA Of course, but colour escape sequences don't end at the EOL, only at the colour reset sequence. less should know that and handle it appropriately (i.e. add the reset sequence before the final line and the active previous sequences at the beginning of the screen) I think.
01:40 🔗 JAA I also wonder now how it handles long lines etc.
01:40 🔗 JAA Presumably not very well.
01:41 🔗 JAA Huh, actually, it does that correctly. Neat.
01:41 🔗 JAA { echo -ne '\e[0;31m'; yes | head -500 | tr -d '\n'; echo -e '\e[0m'; echo test; } | less -R
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02:21 🔗 JAA Because reading WARCs is hard: warc-tiny now has a WARC colouring mode. :-)
02:21 🔗 JAA https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/blob/master/warc-tiny
02:22 🔗 JAA warc-tiny colour file.warc.gz 2>/dev/null | less -R
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03:05 🔗 JAA Huh, just discovered that someone wants to have snscrape in Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=914908 :-) I feel honoured, especially considering nobody requested wpull yet as far as I can see.
03:11 🔗 Flashfire So nobody waterproofed the shower in our house when it was built and the plumber we have in just called his superior cause there is a kind of mould he has no fucking clue what it is
03:12 🔗 mal mine too =|
03:12 🔗 mal actually, worse. instead of mounting it properly, the stupid fucks screwed through the area inside the lip meant to protect against idiots who don't caulk properly
03:12 🔗 Flashfire Our pipes make an awful racket whenever a tap is turned on
03:12 🔗 Flashfire wtf
03:12 🔗 mal so the screw rusted and it just poured water through onto the floor
03:13 🔗 mal screws*
03:13 🔗 Flashfire Well then
03:13 🔗 mal still dealing with that -.-
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03:14 🔗 Flashfire how the hell does someone stuff that up
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04:13 🔗 mal the last owner lived across the country and paid some guy to "maintain" it
04:13 🔗 Flashfire hmmmmmmmmm
04:13 🔗 mal I think the same guy did all the reno work because it's all extremely poorly thought out and extremely poorly executed
04:13 🔗 mal literally nothing is up to code
04:13 🔗 mal I've nearly electrocuted myself so many times
04:14 🔗 mal who the fuck uses drywall anchors in hardwood
04:14 🔗 mal who the fuck uses silicone caulk to patch holes in drywall
04:14 🔗 mal they must have used the last of their spackle patching the holes in the linoleum
04:16 🔗 astrid probably a landlord
04:24 🔗 mal well, the landlord's property manager
04:39 🔗 astrid i was talking about the former owner, but, yeah
05:09 🔗 mal oh, yes, it was a landlord and this place was rented out.
05:10 🔗 astrid landlords take about as much care of their buildings as my ex girlfriend does rental cars
05:11 🔗 astrid lol
05:12 🔗 Flashfire lol I can attest to that
05:17 🔗 astrid didn't know you've traveled with her too
05:17 🔗 Flashfire I meant landlords take shit care of things and If movies have taught me anything its that exes take rubbish care of cars
05:18 🔗 astrid it's a rentals thing, not an ex girlfriends thing
05:21 🔗 Kaz rentals are meant to be driven to destruction
05:52 🔗 ivan real Chrome versions https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/54f3b612169cdff5da49cc7cf794dcca65d1be7e
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15:17 🔗 Sanqui archivin' makes me feel good
15:24 🔗 schbirid no wonder, achieving sounds similar
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16:09 🔗 martinlig lol
16:12 🔗 martinlig I came here to ask if the main group could be mirrored on telegram, maybe it would be easier for people to understand how to use this(?)
16:16 🔗 martinlig and another question more about the IA, how does it manage the searches like http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?chat=anime+manga, i mean, does it indexes every possible search?
16:17 🔗 astrid I don't know ... archive.org is not the same site as irc.netsplit.de ?
16:22 🔗 martinlig i don't think or i didn't understood the question
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16:45 🔗 JAA There's nothing we can do to stop you from setting up a bridge to Telegram I guess. I very much doubt we'll be moving away from IRC anytime soon though (and I'd be strongly opposed to it).
16:53 🔗 martinlig oh, ok, I do not know how to make a bridge, I'm already fine with this, but it was just something it could be added, obv irc would remain here, telegram would be a way to access this chat in a simpler way, it would have history for everyone that joins the group and be accessible from more than one device without setting up anything... plus the users that do not know irc can communicate easily... don't know, just an idea to
16:53 🔗 martinlig simplify
16:56 🔗 martinlig ps. im not still used to this chat, so I'm not sure if the message I posted in the main chat has been read or should I remind it or repost it, or something else
17:04 🔗 JAA I see no message of yours in our main chat, but in any case, that problem would exist regardless of which chat tool we use.
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17:07 🔗 JAA Oh. #archivebot is not our main chat. #archiveteam is the main channel for announcements ("oh shit, this site is shutting down tomorrow!!!"), and #archiveteam-bs is the main channel for archival activity chat. #archivebot is for one of our tools (ArchiveBot), and this channel right here is for just about anything off-topic. There's various other project-specific channels as well.
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17:34 🔗 martinlig oh, ok, thanks, I'll check also that channels!
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17:36 🔗 Sanqui martinlig: are you from netsplit.de?
17:36 🔗 martinlig no
17:36 🔗 martinlig what is it?
17:37 🔗 Sanqui an aggregator of irc servers
17:37 🔗 Sanqui it's a big coincidence because I (we) just started archiving it a few hours ago lol
17:37 🔗 Sanqui no affiliation
17:38 🔗 martinlig oh, why you asked if I'm from it?
17:38 🔗 Sanqui yeah
17:40 🔗 martinlig sorry, I misconstructed the sentence, I'll try again
17:40 🔗 martinlig "why did you ask me if I was from there?"
17:40 🔗 martinlig (im not english, sorry if sometimes I'm not clear enogh)
17:40 🔗 Sanqui I asked you because you asked about how we archive it, and you're from .de
17:41 🔗 Sanqui (no problem, english is my second language too)
17:43 🔗 martinlig im not from .de and I asked how the IA archive sites like that, I didn't even opened that site, sorry if I wrote not clearly... I was trying to understand how the IA archives searches in sites, not in that site in particular, because every search is stored as a different page, and it's weird how the IA archives everything, it seems like a waste of space, when it can only archive main pages...
17:44 🔗 martinlig the search function is already implemented in the wayback machine
17:45 🔗 Sanqui first of all, the Archive Team (us) is not Internet Archive
17:46 🔗 Sanqui we run a bot called ArchiveBot and the results get put on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, this is independent of their own web scraping, which is done on a much larger scale.
17:47 🔗 Sanqui as for searches, ArchiveBot does not enter search terms on its own. the search on irc.netsplit.de suggests "related" terms. there seems to be a finite number of them, and they lead to meaningful results, so I am letting it archive the search pages because it's not a large amount of data. Otherwise I would block that. This is based on my own intuition of doing website archival for five years.
17:51 🔗 martinlig cool, thanks for explanation!
17:51 🔗 martinlig makes sense
17:51 🔗 Sanqui Notice that the size of the irc.netsplit.de job is only 2.7 GiB at this point. That's basically a drop of water in the sea of Internet Archive.
17:52 🔗 martinlig yep, some days ago I saw how big some sites can be :)
17:53 🔗 Sanqui the size of IA's archives is over 50 petabytes.
17:53 🔗 Sanqui https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/du.html
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18:35 🔗 Tsuser_ this should be -bs and -bs should be -ot, change my mind
18:36 🔗 astrid you can rearrange your irc client's tabs or windows or whatever if you don't like the order they're in right now
18:38 🔗 Tsuser_ damn, fair point
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19:11 🔗 Sanqui there never should have been a third channel made
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19:30 🔗 Fusl tracker host is back and seems kinda healthy again
19:30 🔗 astrid yeah the disk array went sideways for unclear reasons
19:31 🔗 Fusl yeah i guessed so
19:31 🔗 astrid computers ...
19:31 🔗 Fusl 18:57 <@Fusl> yeah, this looks like a hardware failure to me though
19:31 🔗 Fusl 18:57 <@Fusl> disk ops dropped to 0, iowait went up to 100%
19:31 🔗 Fusl heh
19:31 🔗 schbirid sketchow would have been a great topic
19:34 🔗 JAA sets mode: +o astrid
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19:57 🔗 JAA http://blog.archive.org/2019/04/10/official-eu-agencies-falsely-report-more-than-550-archive-org-urls-as-terrorist-content/ What a surprise...
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21:18 🔗 nyany was able to get the warrior docker file running. neat stuff.
21:21 🔗 JAA Huh, so I finally looked into why my autoopping broke. Looks like either my previous autoop file didn't have a trailing newline or a newer Perl version does something differently. Strange.
21:23 🔗 JAA The script is this one: https://github.com/irssi/scripts.irssi.org/blob/master/scripts/autoop.pl save_autoops (which is invoked on /save) writes a proper text file with a trailing newline, but load_autoops doesn't remove that, so it includes the newline in the host mask, which then never matches.
21:25 🔗 JAA I'm too lazy to dig out which Perl version I was using before, but it must have been a different one (it broke on migrating from Jessie to Stretch). Very odd though that this would change. Unless it's actually a bug in the script. I just barely know enough Perl to hack crap together if that's the only way, so I wouldn't know.
21:26 🔗 JAA But an added chomp($line) fixed it.
21:26 🔗 JAA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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22:32 🔗 eythian https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/marion-stokes-television-news-archive nice article
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22:41 🔗 ealgase test
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22:41 🔗 ealgase another test
22:41 🔗 DashEqual wow that is cool
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