#archiveteam-ot 2019-09-08,Sun

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00:06 🔗 godane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwuPlHumAgE
00:07 🔗 godane so i think that computer i'm eyeing is $1200 computer from last year for $580 now
00:10 🔗 markedL followed which standards? There's a standard on the parser now.
00:18 🔗 VADemon godane: a near waste of money because a good motherboard will still be compatible with Ryzen 3000-series (12 cores) maybe 16 too if you're lucky
00:19 🔗 JAA markedL: Yes, but the standard is *ridiculously* long due to all the edge cases that have to be handled because nobody bothers writing proper HTML. If you want to write a compliant parser, that's going to be thousands of lines of code. With a slightly stricter HTML standard in the early days and strict enforcement of the standard by browser engines back then, it would be perhaps a few hundred lines.
00:20 🔗 JAA Just checked, the HTML5 standard is a whopping 1.82 million pixels high (at 1280 px width). That's insane...
00:25 🔗 godane VADemon: getting ANY computer that had a graphic card for under $600 will be a first for me
00:26 🔗 godane all computers i get at that price normally have integrated graphics
00:27 🔗 JAA godane: What do you use your computer for?
00:27 🔗 markedL yeah, the browsers did this to themselves by training users that if it looks right it's good enough. If they had built in tools like we now have, but earlier to show errors, I bet we'd be in a different place.
00:27 🔗 VADemon you must be in an unfavourable situation
00:27 🔗 godane a amd a5 i think
00:28 🔗 godane its a asus computer i got for $480 from amazon/bestbuy
00:31 🔗 VADemon for 580$ its an excellent price/perf but then again, no cpu upgrado possibru
00:32 🔗 godane AMD A10-6700 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
00:33 🔗 godane i figure i'm not going to be upgrading my cpu
00:33 🔗 godane i never did on my past system
00:33 🔗 godane the best i did was add a memory to my emachine back in 2008
00:33 🔗 VADemon I had a prebuilt Sandy Bridge (i5 2400) when I could've easily bought the i5-2500k/2700k which were THE BEST overclockers of the decade
00:34 🔗 VADemon that PC would have lasted me years longer, wouldn't have upgraded to ryzen in '17
00:35 🔗 godane i'm also most likely going to at best gaming wise use it to play playstation 3 emulation
00:37 🔗 VADemon RPCS3 showcases on youtube are recorded on an 5.0GHz overclocked i7-8700K. The Ryzen 3000s would be a better match
00:37 🔗 godane i need to get a new computer anyways cause the usb ports on my current computer is giving me problems
00:37 🔗 VADemon Though Idk how much extra performance their "stable" games need for 30+ fps
00:38 🔗 VADemon Just go ahead, there's no wrong in your situation
00:39 🔗 godane i guess then i just may go with ps2 emulation then
00:40 🔗 phillipsj Re: W3 validator; I saw that in action in a recent scam-baiting video I swa. The scammer asked: "What website do you use?" Baiter "Youtube" -> scammer pulls up W3 validator results for Youtube: "See! Your site is currupted by hackers!"
00:40 🔗 JAA Haha, lovely!
00:42 🔗 godane VADemon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t3feVzuMrA
00:43 🔗 godane so i think it has improved a lot with amd ryzen 2700x
00:53 🔗 VADemon godane: 5:00 wow. what he says is factually incorrect. If 50% is used, that's actually 8 fully taxed cores. 8 extra threads give miniscule headroom (and much less so on Intel architectures)
00:54 🔗 VADemon So 8 cores are a good match after all, no need for extremely high clocks at the expense of less cores (8700K)
01:01 🔗 godane anyways i think this new computer will help with re-encoding videos and may other archiving stuff
01:02 🔗 VADemon SDTV on Slow x264 - 4x of the original FPS. Real-time transcoding is real
01:02 🔗 VADemon So yes, it will!
01:02 🔗 godane good to know
01:02 🔗 godane i go for gaming cause there better spec
01:02 🔗 godane and this is better spec then anything else out there at that price
01:03 🔗 VADemon I'm on overclocked 1700 and RX 580 btw
01:03 🔗 godane cool
01:04 🔗 godane i need to re-encoding things down when using my hd capture hardware i got 2 months ago
01:05 🔗 godane it puts out about 16mbs or 2gb mp4 for about every 17:16 of video
01:05 🔗 VADemon TV capture? I want to get it going myself but its not a priority & money $$$
01:06 🔗 godane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC5Zr3NC2PY
01:07 🔗 godane i'm using the hd capture device but i have a cheaper gana mini av2hdmi upscaler
01:08 🔗 VADemon interesting channels you have
01:08 🔗 godane VADemon: one of the videos i recapture with it : https://archive.org/details/A_GPI_Video_The_Johnstown_Flood_1989_MKV
01:09 🔗 godane original easycap with composite : https://archive.org/details/A_GPI_Video_The_Johnstown_Flood_1989
01:10 🔗 godane and the SVideo one with easycap : https://archive.org/details/A_GPI_Video_The_Johnstown_Flood_1989_SVideo
01:13 🔗 VADemon only the -mkv one is not stretched
01:13 🔗 VADemon comparing: 09:54 / 09:53 / 10:05
01:14 🔗 VADemon original easy cap: color corr+sharper and svideo: color corr; -mkv: looks like unedited but this could just be poor capture?
01:15 🔗 godane the hd capture device does a raw dump of the tape
01:16 🔗 godane with maybe some deinterlacing
01:16 🔗 godane anyways i was have audio sync and frame drop issue with easy cap
01:17 🔗 godane i figure it maybe the front usb ports that are cause my problems with it
01:18 🔗 VADemon usb ports, cables, loaded system, whatever if the software only handles realtime without and backlog/queue/catchup mechanisms
01:18 🔗 VADemon packet loss on USB? yes, that exists.
01:19 🔗 godane i was not have that much of a issue 2 years if at all
01:19 🔗 godane the only time i had sync issue was more to do with the software
01:20 🔗 godane was using vituraldub on windows for a few tapes cause i couldn't get don't on linux just yet
01:23 🔗 VADemon whoah thats barbaric actually. not only does the output gets upscaled but stretched, then this guy in the video unstretches the video while keeping the black bars
01:24 🔗 VADemon surely software-side enhancing will be doing much better these days than chinese chips
01:24 🔗 VADemon will do*
01:25 🔗 godane i use ffmpeg so there is not blackbars
01:26 🔗 VADemon ✔ and ffmpeg should be able to do whatever virtualdub is doing too
01:26 🔗 godane got help from some guy on archiveteam chat to do it with ffmpeg
01:26 🔗 godane i had to keep pulseaudio before every encode with easycap
01:26 🔗 VADemon its needlessly complex, something I hate about ffmpeg
01:27 🔗 godane or the script wouldn't work
01:27 🔗 godane anyways now i just have combine.sh code to make my mkv files from the mp4s the hd capture device makes
01:28 🔗 godane that takes it from 720p 16:9 to 480p 4:3 with a 20d+ on the audio
01:29 🔗 godane audio is a bit low but you can up it by 20d+ to get it about right
01:29 🔗 VADemon >dB< okay, interesting
01:31 🔗 godane VADemon : my combine.sh script : https://pastebin.com/Pmjibrsw
01:31 🔗 VADemon what codec is it recorded as?
01:32 🔗 VADemon you should prefer streamable mp4 container over mkv
01:32 🔗 godane my reason for mkv vs mp4 in this case is the file size
01:33 🔗 godane archive.org will use the mp4 to steam by default
01:33 🔗 VADemon really?!
01:33 🔗 astrid yeah and it won't rederive
01:33 🔗 godane i don't want people to have to download 100MB to just get 20 seconds worth of video streaming
01:34 🔗 astrid i think godane wants to have archive.org hide the hi-bitrate original behind a rederive
01:34 🔗 godane not to hide it
01:34 🔗 godane just to derive a streamable copy of it
01:34 🔗 astrid right, i chose words poorly but i understand :)
01:35 🔗 VADemon oh ok that makes sense
01:35 🔗 godane i'm also the guy that bitch at someone on the tv-vault irc about re-encoding mp4 files to mkv
01:36 🔗 VADemon codec (e.g. h264) is different to a container (mkv/mp4) it is in
01:36 🔗 VADemon you are on the internet, how has nobody taught you yet?! :D
01:37 🔗 godane my understand its just a different container
01:37 🔗 godane but mkv is sort streamable on chrome but not in firefox from what i have heard
01:37 🔗 VADemon but one can definitely re-encode *and* put it in a different container. or just rewrap existing contents (- copy)
01:38 🔗 godane that what the tv-vault guy did
01:38 🔗 godane i had a problem with cause it was dvd to mkv to tv pirate scene to mkv
01:39 🔗 godane mkv's to me only apply to direct source from source video if possible
01:41 🔗 VADemon matroska site themselves say there're two possible ways to "stream" their format. firefox must've been lazy
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06:24 🔗 godane so found out that New Zealand Station issue 10 in TOSEC-PIX also has metadata stripped
06:24 🔗 godane oldly another pdf that i was also downloading at the same time still has the metadata
06:25 🔗 godane TOSEC 'baking' process is very bad
06:26 🔗 godane btw can anyone get the 2019 set of TOSEC-PIX
06:26 🔗 godane just the updated sets for 2019 of TOSEC-PIX cause i don't need the full thing
06:26 🔗 godane i'm grabbing that on the-eye
06:27 🔗 godane but its from at torrent from late 2019-08
06:27 🔗 godane *2018-08
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10:36 🔗 schbirid anyone know how to exclude <video> controls from tabbing in a webkit/chrome browser? setting a super high tabindex on the element does nothing nor does wrapping it in a div with that
11:01 🔗 JAA Why do you want to break your page's keyboard navigation?
11:54 🔗 schbirid why do you want to be a know-it-better when you have no idea what i use it for
11:57 🔗 schbirid hacking some things for a presentation :)
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11:58 🔗 Kaz as always.. https://xkcd.com/1172/
12:07 🔗 JAA I just asked... Personal hacks are fine.
12:07 🔗 JAA You say "super high tabindex", but normally the way to skip on the tab key would be setting it to -1 I think.
12:08 🔗 JAA Does hiding the controls altogether not work in WebKit?
12:08 🔗 schbirid ah, nvm it works with -9 indeed. sorry i had something wrong when testing
12:08 🔗 schbirid nah, i need the controls to be accessible (dabummm) with the mouse
12:08 🔗 schbirid -1
12:08 🔗 schbirid -1 on the video element \o/
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13:36 🔗 godane maybe some here can unscramble this image: https://id.ascii.jp/ebook_contents/ida_1113_a/scramble/item/xhtml/p-003.xhtml/0.jpeg
13:36 🔗 godane turns out i can grab all the weekly ascii that ascii.jp has
13:37 🔗 godane but there all scrambled
13:37 🔗 godane here is one of the preview pages : https://id.ascii.jp/ebook/viewer.html?cid=anyone_1113_t#
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13:38 🔗 godane but you can grab all the scrambled images like the one above that
13:39 🔗 godane here is the cover script viewer code: https://id.ascii.jp/ebook/js/viewer_1.0.0_2016-03-10.js
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16:52 🔗 systwiALT Suggestions on grabbing geocities.ws sites with grab-site?
16:52 🔗 systwiALT For example, I'd like to grab this: http://www.geocities.ws/dat_iced_out_shawty_2001/
16:52 🔗 systwiALT (it's an open directory with .html pages and resources)
16:53 🔗 systwiALT If I just do $ grab-site http://www.geocities.ws/dat_iced_out_shawty_2001/ won't that also grab all of geocities.ws?
16:53 🔗 systwiALT Here's another site, not an opendir though http://www.geocities.ws/pitcher_ross7/
17:04 🔗 JAA systwiALT: I'm pretty sure grab-site uses --no-parent, so no, it won't recurse out of that directory.
17:04 🔗 JAA (Well, except off-site links unless you use the option to suppress those.)
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17:38 🔗 systwiALT Thanks JAA. Can I have it grab the parent page as well as an individual page (don't recurse through it) in the same grab?
17:39 🔗 systwiALT i.e. grab the site I want, and the parent page
17:39 🔗 systwiALT but don't go any further back
17:39 🔗 systwiALT or to any links on the parent page
17:41 🔗 JAA systwiALT: I have no idea what you mean.
17:43 🔗 systwiALT !a grab on the geocities site I want, and an !ao grab of the parent
17:44 🔗 systwiALT If this isn't possible that's fine
17:44 🔗 JAA The parent would always be http://www.geocities.ws/ though?
17:46 🔗 systwiALT In this case, yeah
17:47 🔗 JAA Not sure if grab-site lets you override --no-parent in any way. You can do it through the wpull hook, but probably grab-site doesn't expose that. So you'll likely have to run two jobs, one for the directory you want to grab recursively, and one with --1 for the parent.
17:48 🔗 systwiALT Ok no worries, thank you for the indo
17:48 🔗 systwiALT *info
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