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00:21 🔗 Raccoon When you compare motion pictures with very high rankings on IMDB (high vote counts w/ high score) from the 1950's through 1990's, and spot which ones are still not out on Bluray, you get a feel for the political climate in Hollywood and which pictures they wish never existed (and hope to erase from history).
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00:26 🔗 markedL example?
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02:08 🔗 anarcat http://recoil.sourceforge.net/
03:02 🔗 kiska And github isn't having a fun time right now...
03:13 🔗 markedL 500 graphic is pretty cool
03:19 🔗 markedL ok that works, minus that cookies are going to be in the warc header
03:19 🔗 markedL perhaps still to mention since cookies will always be in the request header ?
03:19 🔗 markedL ^silly
03:19 🔗 markedL ugh, wrong channel.
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19:39 🔗 icedice Is Western Digital My Book 12TB worth getting?
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19:58 🔗 Raccoon` icedice: Is that the double-wide two disk drive?
19:59 🔗 icedice It's 1 bay
19:59 🔗 Raccoon` how much
20:00 🔗 icedice 209,99€
20:00 🔗 Raccoon` i can't comment on the european market. seems a bit much as an American.
20:01 🔗 icedice There's also Western Digital 12 TB Elements Desktop for 269,99€
20:01 🔗 icedice That's very cheap in Europe
20:01 🔗 icedice That's the price they charge for a 10TB drive in Finland
20:02 🔗 Raccoon` personally, I lean towards the 2.5" drives, even though they're only 5TB, because they offer greater portability, smaller size, less noise and heat, no external power needed.
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20:02 🔗 icedice Should I get one My Book + Elements or My Book x 2?
20:02 🔗 icedice I want to use one drive as backup drive
20:02 🔗 Raccoon Amazon price fluctuates between $110 and $125 this month for the 5TB.
20:03 🔗 icedice I started thinking that having both backup drives of the same model and probably the same batch might not be a good idea
20:03 🔗 icedice * Edit: having both the main drive and the backup drive
20:03 🔗 Raccoon All depends on your situation. Private unique data backup, or media archive backup?
20:04 🔗 icedice Both
20:04 🔗 icedice Will probably be more of media archive though
20:04 🔗 icedice Since my private data fits on the drives I have now
20:04 🔗 Raccoon Given that media archive is basically write-once and doesn't need to be so great
20:05 🔗 Raccoon fewer updates, less speed required
20:05 🔗 Raccoon private data, multiple redundencies like raid, cloud, offsite is ideal
20:06 🔗 icedice There is no privacy friendly online backup service that has decent pricing
20:06 🔗 Raccoon i backup my data on my next door neighbor's computer, and vice versa
20:06 🔗 Raccoon via wifi
20:06 🔗 icedice So I'm mostly hoping for ProtonBackup/ProtonDrive
20:07 🔗 icedice Just drill a cable through the wall lol
20:07 🔗 Raccoon well, physically separated and immune from fire
20:07 🔗 icedice It's a joke lol
20:08 🔗 icedice If either of you rent then the landlord wouldn't allow it anyway
20:08 🔗 Raccoon i've drilled holes through walls to lan party with apartment neighbors :)
20:08 🔗 icedice Nice
20:09 🔗 icedice The risk of getting two WD My Book duds from the same batch should be pretty low, right?
20:10 🔗 Raccoon I haven't had a dud drive in over 15 years, tbh.
20:10 🔗 icedice Ok, then I'll save 60€ and just get the cheaper My Book x 2
20:10 🔗 Raccoon WD used to be on my avoid-like-the-plague list 20 years ago, but they've turned around
20:10 🔗 icedice I didn't know that
20:11 🔗 Raccoon back when Maxtor was a thing
20:11 🔗 icedice I thought that was mostly Seagate
20:11 🔗 icedice Ah
20:11 🔗 icedice I know about Maxtor
20:11 🔗 Raccoon I had so many WD fails back at the turn of the century
20:11 🔗 icedice Seagate bought them and started rebranding surplus Maxtor drives as Seagate iirc
20:11 🔗 icedice Or was that WD?
20:11 🔗 Raccoon I think you've got it right
20:12 🔗 icedice Yeah
20:13 🔗 icedice Then there was that one 3TB Seagate drive that had something like a 30% annualized failure rate
20:13 🔗 Raccoon Everything changed when the water nation destroyed Indonesia in 2007(?)
20:13 🔗 Raccoon Basically every manufacturing plant was swallowed up
20:14 🔗 icedice /r/UnexpectedAvatar
20:14 🔗 icedice Thailand
20:14 🔗 Raccoon and/or Thailand then
20:14 🔗 icedice I think it was in 2011 iirc
20:15 🔗 icedice Saudi Aramco buying up every hard drive they could get at the same time didn't help things either
20:15 🔗 icedice They got hacked at the same time, so they pulled all of their systems offline
20:15 🔗 Raccoon I thought it was earlier. I'd just purchased a 2TB for $89 in 2006, and then they doubled in price shortly after. 2TB wouldn't return to $100 for many years
20:15 🔗 icedice Suddenly the world's wealthiest corporation was back to using pen, paper, and typewriters
20:16 🔗 Raccoon I'm pretty sure there's still a price fixing cabal in place since that flood
20:17 🔗 Raccoon everyone had to work together, look past their differences etc etc to survive
20:17 🔗 Meroje wasn't thailand the ram shortage ?
20:18 🔗 Raccoon and just doesn't make sense that we haven't seen hybrid SSD-platter drives yet.
20:20 🔗 icedice And Backblaze employees and their family members started buying up external HDDs and shucking them to keep their business going
20:20 🔗 icedice Which made the shortage worse
20:21 🔗 icedice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_Thailand
20:22 🔗 icedice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Thailand_floods#Damages_to_industrial_estates_and_global_supply_shortages
20:33 🔗 icedice "Please note these instructions when using a My Book Duo with 2 slats:
20:33 🔗 icedice It is not possible to simply remove one of the hard drives and install it somewhere else
20:33 🔗 icedice This means that if the hardware of the housing is defective or a software error occurs in the configuration of the PC, the data stored on the hard disks are most likely lost!
20:33 🔗 icedice For me, the disk in the Windows Disk Management was displayed as no longer assigned and it was then no longer possible to access it. Even if the disks themselves are phasically still in perfect order. Even with 3 different recovery programs it was not possible to save my data. Data backup was actually the reason why I had this case with 2 hard drives in Raid 1 - operation ever increased. And now all data is lost because of it.
20:33 🔗 icedice The reason is that WD also encrypts the data if you have not chosen to encrypt the data. The problem is also well known in the WD community (mainly in the English forum).
20:34 🔗 icedice For me, the record was an absolute bad buy because it triggered exactly what I wanted to avoid. That was my third HDD from WD and definitely my last one."
20:34 🔗 icedice ^ Google translated review
20:48 🔗 icedice Is not having to deal with that worth the 60€ price difference between WD My Book and WD Elements x 2 drives?
20:49 🔗 Raccoon I guess that explains the reviews and Q&A on the one WD two-disk mybook as having no encryption
20:51 🔗 Raccoon If your interest is USB-ready drives, I would just buy these as they go on sale. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X41PWTY/
20:52 🔗 icedice So about $137.68 extra when grabbing two 12TB WD Elements instead of two 12TB My Books
20:52 🔗 Raccoon Introduced about 4 or 5 weeks ago, and reasonably close to the best-bang-for-buck, with the added functional bonuses I described earlier with a 2.5" drive
20:54 🔗 LowLevelM I would wait til black friday to buy HDDs
20:54 🔗 Raccoon aye
20:55 🔗 Raccoon they just raised the price from $109 to $129 yesterday
20:55 🔗 LowLevelM Then they are going to lower the price and call it a sale.
20:57 🔗 Raccoon torra torra torra https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07X41PWTY
20:57 🔗 Raccoon oh wow, they had them at $90 for one day
20:57 🔗 Raccoon I'd have bought 3
20:59 🔗 icedice Amazon.de has Black Friday week sales right now
20:59 🔗 icedice That WD My Book 12TB is one of them
21:00 🔗 icedice And the offer expires in 2 hours, so I jumped on it
21:01 🔗 icedice I assumed that the encryption thing ment that the drive came with optional encryption for sensitive data storage or something like that
21:01 🔗 icedice Not like they locked down data like some mad men
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21:07 🔗 icedice WD Elements 10TB x 2 from that local retailer: 451,80€
21:07 🔗 icedice WD Elements 12TB from Amazon.de: 562,66€
21:07 🔗 icedice So about $497.51 for 10TB x 2 vs about $619.46 for 12TB x 2
21:07 🔗 Raccoon I am so sorry your dollar is so weak :)
21:08 🔗 Raccoon I could probably mail them to you for cheaper and we all get rich
21:08 🔗 icedice That's all right, it evens out since we have affordable healthcare and education
21:08 🔗 Raccoon heh
21:09 🔗 icedice People getting 1000€ worth of cancer meds for 6€ has to come from somewhere
21:09 🔗 Raccoon Education is free -- YouTube :)
21:10 🔗 icedice Good luck putting "I watch a lot of LinusTechTips" on a resume lol
21:10 🔗 Raccoon The classroom is just a daycare boarding school for kids with abscentee parents
21:10 🔗 Raccoon oh, you get free college?
21:10 🔗 icedice Yeah
21:10 🔗 icedice I'm attending one for free
21:11 🔗 Raccoon merit based free, or "i like turtles" free?
21:11 🔗 icedice "i like turtles"
21:12 🔗 icedice We also get monthly housing and studying grants
21:12 🔗 Raccoon that's a shame, because "i like turtles" classmates drag down the entire curriculum :/
21:12 🔗 icedice Which is enough to cover rent where I live
21:13 🔗 icedice And zero interest study loans of 2600€ per term that you have like 10-14 years to pay back
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21:14 🔗 icedice And if you finish your education within the planned timeframe you don't have to pay back 30% of the loan
21:14 🔗 icedice Something like that
21:15 🔗 icedice They were a bit too giving a while back though
21:15 🔗 icedice And allowed exchange students free college
21:16 🔗 Raccoon College is mostly free in the U.S. if you are a good student and navigate the waters. Several states have scholarships to entice students to stay in state, and just about everyone offers free-ride scholarships to women, mothers and the underprivileged, even if they have low scores, but especially if they have high marks.
21:16 🔗 icedice They eventually noticed that a lot of them just went back to their own countries after getting their education and few stayed in Finland to become tax payers
21:16 🔗 Raccoon People who pay ridiculus sums for an education do so willingly
21:17 🔗 icedice So they started charging exchange students money for attending college a few years ago
21:18 🔗 icedice Are you saying that a $150 000 liberal arts degree is not worth it?
21:19 🔗 programme it's worth more than a $150 000 conservative arts degree
21:20 🔗 icedice There seems to be a shortage of conservative artists though
21:20 🔗 Raccoon I'm saying that people who sign up for $150,000 liberal arts degrees are privileged idiots who can't really amount to anything anyway
21:20 🔗 Raccoon they're better off buying a pony
21:20 🔗 icedice So wouldn't that drive up the worth according to the logics of supply and demand?
21:21 🔗 icedice Probably yeah
21:21 🔗 Raccoon If you're good enough to get a job at Google or Microsoft or even NASA, they'll hire you with a 2 year community college associates degree
21:22 🔗 Raccoon which will probably run you $1000 said and done
21:22 🔗 Raccoon it's more about the internships and resume padding anyway
21:23 🔗 Raccoon this is how Silicon Valley became so "diverse" as it were, with many of the large tech firms aiming at a 50% or less "white" workforce
21:29 🔗 Raccoon similarly, in the US, you can only get an on-campus (government subsidized; called "work study") job if you qualify as having parents earning below the poverty level. those are about the only campus jobs that exist in most unis.
21:30 🔗 Raccoon the fed pays up to 3/4 of the wages
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