#archiveteam-ot 2019-12-02,Mon

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03:19 πŸ”— Stiletto eventually Domesday86 Duplicator will be able to capture Betamax and then software decode can be improved as time goes on. VHS capture is already a thing with it, though decoding is still a serious work in progress. :)
03:23 πŸ”— markedL that's pretty neat. reminds me of the laser pickup for audio records (LPs)
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06:09 πŸ”— ola_norsk Are all videos under 'MirrorTube' marked as 'noindex: true' , even if they are licensed as PD/CC0 ?
06:12 πŸ”— ola_norsk e.g JΓΈrg Sprave/Slingshot Channel , and Memeology101, seems to have gone PD in their choice of license on youtube, but for some reason trying to set them as such will be reverted afterwards
06:13 πŸ”— * ola_norsk using TubeUp
06:23 πŸ”— ola_norsk e.g If a video is set by the author to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ , Attributon being the only clause, why do those get set to 'noindex' ?
06:29 πŸ”— dxrt I believe this was put in place to stop people dumping lots of crap
06:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk dxrt: do you mean youtube 'reupload' and 'mirror' videos?
06:30 πŸ”— dxrt yeah - have a look here https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup/pull/101
06:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk ty
06:32 πŸ”— ola_norsk my problem is i can't recall which ones i actually have uploaded, since not even 'ia' will recall it for me when they are noindexed (eventhough they will show if i scroll trough my profile)
06:34 πŸ”— ola_norsk e.g if i were to search for items using 'uploader:duckhuntpr0', they won't list...
06:35 πŸ”— dxrt urgh.
06:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk they are visible trough logging into IA though, but nothing else.
06:35 πŸ”— dxrt Is there some way to get a list of your uploads
06:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk only by logging into the web page it seems, and going to profile.
06:36 πŸ”— godane i'm glad that i can see them when logged in
06:37 πŸ”— dxrt Load them all up, view source, dump into excel?
06:37 πŸ”— ola_norsk it would be nice to be able to 'see them' trough using IA tool as well though
06:37 πŸ”— dxrt my youtube uploads haven't been noindexed
06:38 πŸ”— dxrt yeah.
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06:50 πŸ”— ola_norsk dxrt: how many did you upload? https://i.imgur.com/tKWgYly.png
06:56 πŸ”— ola_norsk I totally get that IA don't want to be a general video hosting platform.. But where's the 'research' in it, if not even a command line tool will get the data from archived items??
06:57 πŸ”— ola_norsk E.g If i wanted to get a list of current 'video ids' and json's, of archived youtube videos, what would i need to do?
07:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk dxrt: could you fashion me a 'ia search' command line, because if your is giving back results i might've fubared up something locally.
07:03 πŸ”— * ola_norsk using IA 1.8.5
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07:07 πŸ”— ola_norsk https://pastebin.com/raw/50uvqdvp
07:07 πŸ”— dxrt I just checked, so my uploads are in community video and haven't been moved elsewhere. if/when they get moved they will dissapear I imagine.
07:08 πŸ”— dxrt https://archive.org/details/@lpuvaogpsot1yiow?tab=uploads
07:08 πŸ”— ola_norsk that pastebin is from me running : ia search "collection:archiveteam_youtube"
07:08 πŸ”— dxrt geez, one uploader, there must be so much crap.
07:09 πŸ”— dxrt nup, my ia search is the same as yours
07:11 πŸ”— ola_norsk dxrt: here's what i see of your link https://i.imgur.com/MHh75vm.png .. are the numbers ~ok ?
07:12 πŸ”— dxrt yeah, just one more (1490) cos they literally just uploaded something else.
07:13 πŸ”— dxrt now it's down to 1483.
07:14 πŸ”— ola_norsk hmm i'm getting open to the chance i'm being retarded in doing my query strings.. Here's mine: https://archive.org/details/@duckhuntpr0
07:15 πŸ”— ola_norsk dxrt: if you wanted to recall all mirrortube uploads you've done, using the ia tool, what would the command line be?
07:16 πŸ”— ola_norsk to your account(s), mean
07:18 πŸ”— ola_norsk i mean*
07:20 πŸ”— ola_norsk https://archive.org/search.php?query=%28lpuvaogpsot1yiow%29%20AND%20collection%3A%28archiveteam_youtube%29
07:25 πŸ”— dxrt :/
07:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm getting wierded out
07:26 πŸ”— dxrt They're as good as gone once they have noindex.
07:26 πŸ”— Kaz yeah, tubeup made it too easy to spam IA with content that had little-to-no value, and wasn't at risk
07:26 πŸ”— Kaz they'll probably be reindexed years in the future.
07:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk Kaz: what does that mean? 'reindexed' ?
07:27 πŸ”— Kaz the opposite of noindex
07:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk oh ok, then license might be observed?
07:28 πŸ”— Kaz not a clue, ask info@archive.org
07:29 πŸ”— ola_norsk i seriously don't care a lot if 'youtubers' loose their shit while insiting to stay youtube exclusives, but fuck me i'd be a bit annoyed if i was doing archiving of 'shadowbanned' shit, and it all turned out to be even more shadowbanned at IA
07:30 πŸ”— Kaz uh huh
07:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk Kaz: i'm just going to trust IA doing the right thing.
07:30 πŸ”— Kaz I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund if you find their service lacking in any capacity
07:31 πŸ”— Kaz the lesson here is that nobody should be treating IA as a single point of permanent storage
07:31 πŸ”— Kaz laws (both legal and physical) will result in availability always being less than 100%
07:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk Kaz: 'I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund' .. I think i got off on the wrong foot on my sentence.. IA is a https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations not for profit org, while YouTube is certainly not
07:36 πŸ”— ola_norsk conflating them both as equally 'free services' is IMO a bit off kilter
07:37 πŸ”— Kaz What I’m saying is that most people pay absolutely nothing to use IA or youtube, so should pretty much expect nothing from them
07:38 πŸ”— ola_norsk youtube operates on attention-economy, same as cable tv etc
07:39 πŸ”— ola_norsk wait, is cable tv with ads? :/ i mean tv with advertisement
07:41 πŸ”— ola_norsk Kaz: IMO "so should pretty much expect nothing from them" , is not quite true.. One should expect them to operate by their given public funding (which IA surpassed with gold-medal level IMO)
07:42 πŸ”— ola_norsk though, being a charity org carries certain expecations of transparency
07:44 πŸ”— ola_norsk BTW: If it's a fact that Brewster Kahle have never been recognized for a nobel prize, that's beyond me
07:48 πŸ”— Kaz the US government isn't paying IA for people to sling content from youtube into permanent storage. IA goes *much* further than just being file storage.
07:49 πŸ”— Kaz I'm not a citizen of the US, they receive no public funding from the UK as far as I'm aware. On your logic I should trust it less than someone from the US, but that doesn't seem quite right.
07:51 πŸ”— ola_norsk I'm norwegian, so my logic is sometimes lost midway due to crude english. But in no way did i claim they should be trusted any lesser for being in the US.
07:51 πŸ”— Raccoon A Nobel prize for library sciences would be nifty
07:55 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: _very_ late and extremely deserving though
07:56 πŸ”— ola_norsk Kaz: my problem is solely the ia tool not reporting back correct search: https://i.imgur.com/GyqsABO.png
07:58 πŸ”— ola_norsk more specifically, it wont list the 'tubeups' i've done prior
07:58 πŸ”— Raccoon at least put a copy of The Internet Archive in that arctic vault, next to the copy of Github, and Bill Gates' heirloom corn seed
08:00 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: :D ..I was thinking a working mirror at Green Mountain, and svalbard on the side lol
08:00 πŸ”— ola_norsk But hey, ship it, and they'll stuff it in there :D
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08:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: the thing is, Svalbard is not a decent global impact 'bunker' for things..Safety lies in redundancy
08:03 πŸ”— Raccoon i think the idea was to keep it away from conflict zones and airborn particulates / disease etc
08:03 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye, and norway is kind of politically nice as such i would think
08:03 πŸ”— Raccoon "it's cold. nobody wants to come here and ef with it."
08:04 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's cold, but it's not that cold :D
08:04 πŸ”— ola_norsk 10 False Facts About Norway - https://youtu.be/rvDkvVskJfY
08:05 πŸ”— Raccoon just don't mention it contains artistic renderings of certain religious prophets and it should be fine.
08:06 πŸ”— ola_norsk personally, i'm a Job'ite, i don't care what ails people have with various religious shit
08:13 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: i'm not sure how plainly i might speak here. But in similar manner shouldn't religious or political activies influence _archivism_ ( https://youtu.be/3HDRmTDAIsI )
08:14 πŸ”— ola_norsk archive it all, and be better for it
08:14 πŸ”— Raccoon perhaps. but historically seems to cause the destruction of libraries more than anything else.
08:15 πŸ”— ola_norsk might be true, though there's political alignments that done a bit of it as well
08:16 πŸ”— Raccoon Religion has been defined as a form of political government or nation state unconstrained by land borders or place of residence. "sneaky government"
08:19 πŸ”— ola_norsk i'm not sure if that's the full definition of 'religious' , but in all and every way, it sucks
08:20 πŸ”— ola_norsk i used to be what some might call fundamentalist christian ~10+ years ago
08:21 πŸ”— ola_norsk btw
08:22 πŸ”— ola_norsk HOW 'ot' is this 'archiveteam-ot' ? :D is it ok to have such discussion?
08:23 πŸ”— ola_norsk lol..we've gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay OT :D
08:23 πŸ”— Raccoon might get some eye rolls when people wake up.
08:24 πŸ”— ola_norsk i drink beer, i don't hide it :D
08:25 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: https://imgur.com/a/QsG69jA
08:26 πŸ”— ola_norsk _THAT_ is Nobel price worthy man
08:27 πŸ”— ola_norsk it's plain ridicoulous if Kahle haven't been nominated before
08:29 πŸ”— Raccoon I wonder if IA has a page dedicated to instances where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence
08:29 πŸ”— Raccoon I know I've read or heard about it happening easily a dozen times
08:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: 'WBM' ?
08:30 πŸ”— Raccoon wayback machine
08:30 πŸ”— ola_norsk i swear, most people don't even know that IA is more than waybackmachine
08:32 πŸ”— Raccoon IA isn't really very well marketed, and perhaps not in the greatest position to market to too wide of an audience
08:32 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: i have no doubt that has actually happened
08:32 πŸ”— ola_norsk "where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence
08:34 πŸ”— Raccoon ola_norsk, oh yea, lots. defamation claims, covering up evidence of predatory marketing, presenting printouts of the now-altered website as courtroom evidence
08:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: hehe, i'm sure they've even been accuse of hacking by ignorant 'netizens'
08:35 πŸ”— ola_norsk :D
08:36 πŸ”— Raccoon People from AT and IA have certainly been sued for copyright infringement and defamation themselves.
08:37 πŸ”— ola_norsk 'i never wanted my blog post that i tried to garner attention to, to be public!' :D
08:38 πŸ”— Raccoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY
08:38 πŸ”— ola_norsk hehe
08:39 πŸ”— Raccoon oh jeez, that was 10 years ago already
08:40 πŸ”— ola_norsk i don't very much care about copyright. I feel i've redeemed myself of whatever i 'stole' with my steamaccount :D
08:41 πŸ”— ola_norsk meanwhile, Nintendo still ove me money after shutting 'wii bucks' or whatever the fuck they called it
08:42 πŸ”— ola_norsk 23NOK they owe me, since the wii store closed
08:42 πŸ”— Raccoon what can you buy with 23 NOK
08:42 πŸ”— ola_norsk 1 can of beer
08:42 πŸ”— Raccoon heh
08:45 πŸ”— ola_norsk that is the price, but have to add the 2Kr return
08:46 πŸ”— ola_norsk but yeah, 'what can you buy in norway for 23 nok' = 1 can of beer, barely
08:46 πŸ”— ola_norsk or 1 pack of rizla rolling papers
08:47 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: lol..people usually would've answered 'a bread' :D
08:47 πŸ”— ola_norsk a bread is ~30+ nok
08:49 πŸ”— Raccoon i haven't seen beer cheaper than bread since i was born.
08:52 πŸ”— ola_norsk aye, it's mongoloid..It's basically just a way to keep shit drinkingwater palatable
08:52 πŸ”— ola_norsk now suddenly 'IPA' is somehow some artisan shit? lol
08:54 πŸ”— ola_norsk 'let's load these barrels with some extra shit in it, and see if they spew when it gets to them'.. lol
09:01 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: I take it you're from blighty; Anywho and regardless of all shit, prophets, paupers and politclittans and otherwise; https://youtu.be/WblI5OGEhTI
09:02 πŸ”— ola_norsk Raccoon: http://reformsection5.org.uk/
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10:12 πŸ”— VoynichCr there is an option to keep a log of uploaded youtube videos: tubeup --use-download-archive
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14:34 πŸ”— JAA I'm sure IA people wouldn't be opposed to putting a full mirror into the vaults on Svalbard, assuming someone fully funds that project.
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17:54 πŸ”— Raccoon Does anyone know of any given name for the Date Time format: Tue Jan 01 12:34:56 2019
18:04 πŸ”— JAA "Awful"?
18:05 πŸ”— Raccoon heh.
18:05 πŸ”— Raccoon It's used by (at least) the mIRC IRC client for at least 24 years
18:06 πŸ”— JAA It's close to what GNU date produces by default as well.
18:06 πŸ”— JAA (Except it's missing the TZ.)
18:06 πŸ”— JAA Mon 2 Dec 18:06:29 UTC 2019
18:06 πŸ”— JAA Oh, and swapped month/day.
18:06 πŸ”— Raccoon oh, not ticky tacking +0000 at the end
18:07 πŸ”— Raccoon i've seen that addition as well
18:07 πŸ”— JAA ISO-8601 or bust.
18:08 πŸ”— JAA Actually, RFC 3339 or bust.
18:08 πŸ”— Raccoon gotta say, not a huge fan. indeed, i've perhaps never seen xxxTyyy in a printed timestamp
18:08 πŸ”— JAA (But it's very similar to ISO 8601.)
18:09 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, the "T" is the one thing I don't like about ISO 8601.
18:09 πŸ”— JAA But it's very common to replace it with a string, although not strictly standards-conforming IIRC.
18:09 πŸ”— Raccoon I mean, I get it, but it's just not friendly on the eyes.
18:09 πŸ”— JAA with a space*
18:13 πŸ”— Raccoon [00:00] * Day changed to 02 Dec 2019, a Monday. --- Summary #archiveteam-ot: 146 Users [@19+0-127]
18:14 πŸ”— JAA I've been using YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS in my logs since ever because it's the only datetime format that actually makes sense.
18:14 πŸ”— Raccoon I have never found a document listing all the variety of date time strings, or string parts, identified by name / use / locale
18:14 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, I was just looking for a list of relevant standards and couldn't find anything either.
18:16 πŸ”— JAA Horrible Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation
18:25 πŸ”— Raccoon I might have to conduct original research, publish, then self-reference on wikipedia
18:26 πŸ”— Raccoon one of the obsticles to such a document is the uncanny popular desire to promote one format above the other with supreme rhetoric
18:28 πŸ”— JAA Any format that's consistently big endian is fine with me. Anything else can go fuck off. :-)
18:29 πŸ”— JAA Oh, and lexicographic sorting. But whether you write it as "YYYYMMDD" or "It is the year of YYYY, in MM, on the DDth" doesn't matter.
18:30 πŸ”— JAA And of course outside of computers, other formats may be more suitable.
18:33 πŸ”— Raccoon Indeed. There is a time and place for other formats. Rigid roboticized standards distract from flow and comprehension, visual style... the more machine readable a format is defines exactly how human-unreadable it will be.
18:34 πŸ”— Raccoon There are probably also legal standards that must be adhered to in various locales
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19:35 πŸ”— Raccoon We should have probably just stuck with Moonths for Months, each week exactly representing a lunar quarter down to the second.
19:44 πŸ”— JAA And then how many months make a year? Or no years at all? Makes it fun to remember the seasons.
19:46 πŸ”— JAA If we didn't have months of varying lengths, that would help a lot as well.
19:47 πŸ”— JAA The 13 month calendar is pretty neat.
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20:11 πŸ”— Raccoon The month of Judas, just after Christmas?
20:11 πŸ”— Raccoon that'll sell
20:22 πŸ”— astrid lol
20:28 πŸ”— Raccoon astrid: Hofferson or Farnsworth?
20:29 πŸ”— astrid hm?
20:30 πŸ”— Raccoon people named Astrid; 'who wore it better'
20:30 πŸ”— Raccoon *fictional characters
20:31 πŸ”— astrid beats me
20:32 πŸ”— Raccoon It's not a very common name is it? Think those are the only two I know of
20:36 πŸ”— astrid sorry
20:36 πŸ”— astrid well now you know a third :)
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23:23 πŸ”— Raccoon SketchCow, did your zany friend, the Private AG, pass away last year? Do you happen to know his DOB?
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