[00:00] *** ShellyRol has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [00:12] *** ShellyRol has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:54] *** kiska has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:54] *** Flashfire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:54] *** Flashfire has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:54] *** kiska has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:55] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o kiska [00:55] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o kiska [01:03] *** Raccoon has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds) [02:06] wonder if you can use amazon giftcards for AWS [02:34] *** ShellyRol has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:42] *** foureyes has quit IRC (Quit: brb) [02:43] *** foureyes has joined #archiveteam-ot [02:50] *** ShellyRol has joined #archiveteam-ot [02:59] *** ivan has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [03:00] *** ivan has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:00] *** cerca has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:00] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o ivan [03:00] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o ivan [03:02] *** ivan_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:13] *** ivan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [03:18] hrhr [03:19] I've heard you can use prepaid credit cards but never verified it [03:19] *** ivan_ is now known as ivan [04:29] TIL of the nitter twitter frontend from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21848468 [04:29] https://nitter.net/ [04:30] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o ivan [04:30] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o ivan [04:47] *** superkuh has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:48] *** qw3rty has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:50] *** superkuh has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:54] *** qw3rty2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [05:09] *** DogsRNice has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:28] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [07:39] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [07:41] *** ShellyRol has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [07:43] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [07:55] *** ShellyRol has joined #archiveteam-ot [07:59] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:32] *** oxguy3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:54] *** oxguy3 has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I've been using no JS twitter, but this might be better. [12:16] Scratch "might", it's definitely better. [13:04] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:04] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:26] *** cerca has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:29] *** bluefoo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:44] *** bluefoo has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:55] *** jamiew has quit IRC (zzz) [14:41] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:41] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:53] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:02] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:11] *** oxguy3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:11] *** oxguy3 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:11] *** oxguy3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:16] *** oxguy3 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [15:17] I guess Twitter archiving is a bit more of a pain now that they put tweets with replies behind a login wall [15:17] they've been doing that for a long time, but yeah [15:23] *** SoraUta has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:59] *** bluefoo_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:01] *** bluefoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds) [16:17] *** oxguy3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:17] *** oxguy3 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:36] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:47] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [16:49] Frogging: You mean https://twitter.com/USER/with_replies I guess? Those can still be found through the search, which also avoids the stupid limit of 3200 tweets on the profile page (but unfortunately doesn't find retweets). [16:51] JAA: Yeah, that. [16:51] Good to know that about the search [16:52] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:55] *** Raccoon has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:14] *** bluefoo_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:36] *** icedice has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:06] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:18] *** ShellyRol has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:20] *** ShellyRol has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:37] *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 610 seconds) [18:38] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:38] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [18:39] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:01] *** killsushi has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:19] *** MrRadar has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:27] *** X-Scale has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:57] *** icedice has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:58] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:02] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:05] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:10] *** MrRadar has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:13] *** MrRadar has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:15] *** MrRadar has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:19] *** MrRadar has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:48] *** DogsRNice has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:49] https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/edhzsv/bestbuy_wd_easystore_14tb_shucked/ [21:51] so much speculation about whether the 5400 RPM drives could run at 7200 RPM :-) [21:55] :-) [21:55] I volunteer to play around with a few to test it. :-P [22:01] Why stop at 7200 RPM?? [22:02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Digital_Raptor [22:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFM1kp_E03E&t=3m40s [22:07] Meh, 15k rpm disks are/were a thing as well. [22:08] Seagate Cheetah for example. [22:09] the Atari 2600 5200 and 7800 were also things. they would have made for better RPMs I'm betting. [22:10] *** DLoader_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:10] haha, that's me commenting in that thread [22:12] hi Chris [22:12] I don't personally care for high RPM drives; I miss the old 3600's, they were nice and quiet. Wish I cound underspin a 5400 even further :P but I have a feeling the heads woud fly so low I'd need to seismically isolate the poor thing. [22:12] I too bought the lower speed Maxtors on purpose. [22:13] Yup, heat was one reason why I went with Reds instead of Red Pro. [22:13] Quantum Bigfoot, anyone? The last of the 5.25" platters. [22:14] What do y'all do for storage? I'm a pleb with a secondhand Drobo that I occasionally throw rust into. [22:16] shuck He8, tape over the reset pins, mkfs.xfs [22:17] so uh 'nixos on a computer' with some nfs exports and apache [22:17] I buy a couple of these whenever they dip to $89/ea every few months. 5TB came out in September. I prefer offline shelf storage. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07X41PWTY/ [22:18] hoping to find out if they still hold data in 30 years [22:19] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QcMpPyUzlQ nice 15K RPM sounds [22:19] *** DLoader has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [22:19] comes at like a 20% premium versus shucked disks. [22:19] *** DLoader_ is now known as DLoader [22:19] Thinking the heliums won't, unless you store them in a helium chamber for most of those years. It's gonna diffuse out. We'll see! [22:20] are they putting helium in 2.5" drives? i dunno. [22:20] I don't know, actually! If not yet, probably soon. [22:20] hard drives are not for holding data for 30 years [22:20] ivan: not for, but can do [22:21] until we get those optical petacubes they keep promising [22:21] I just booted up a 2002-era WD1200JB for grins. Now to recover the password.. [22:21] I've got a handful of magneto-optical media and drives, I should store something on them and write down the date. [22:22] fill it with 0x55 or 0xAA then scan it every so often [22:23] 230MB is hardly impressive, but it should be nice and stable. [22:23] longevity of the drive mechanism is much more in question [22:23] I remember them promising optical petabyte cubes back in the 90's, before bluray lasers. [22:24] "the size of a sugar cube" [22:27] Yup, holographic information storage is always "just around the corner". [22:28] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:28] not even sure it qualifies as holographic, necessarily. just lasers through a CCD with an index laser that amplifies and burns at that given slice [22:30] then i may be misunderstanding the tech. it's been some some decades since the revolutionary discovery [22:30] HVDs are long dead too [22:30] they died last decade [22:30] when people stopped using optical media in favor of flash for a lot of stuff [22:31] "to prove it works, this segment of video was recorded live and was played back from the cube" [22:31] So annoyed that Sony never made a MiniDisc Mavica camera. [22:32] i just want some optical format that lasts 500 years and doesn't require spooling. [22:32] I wonder how terrible M-Disc is [22:33] it claims to last for 1ka but I have no idea how durable it actually is [22:39] If you want DVDs, yeah, look into M-Discs. If you want BDs, don't bother with them. [22:42] Why's that? [22:43] Standard DVDs use organic dyes, which aren't very stable in the long term. M-Discs replaced them with inorganic dyes that last much longer. [22:43] Standard BDs already use inorganic dyes and are typically rated for hundreds of years. [22:44] Ahh, so paying more for an m-disc doesn't buy you much.. [22:44] Yup [22:44] Maybe physical construction? I remember early CD-R's "rotting" when the layers would separate. I wonder how BDs compare to M-disc BDs in that regard. [22:45] The tests I've seen didn't really show any differences unless you literally threw them into boiling water. [22:45] So yeah, might be slightly more durable in some very extreme scenarois. [22:45] scenarios* [22:45] Ahh. And we all know, you have to put them into lukewarm water and then slowly increase the temperature, otherwise they jump out. [22:46] But overall, the ridiculously higher price isn't really worth it. [22:46] Makes sense! [22:46] Chances are there won't be any BD drives anymore in a few decades anyway. [22:47] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:47] "Store and forget about it" just doesn't work with digital data at all. You need to stay on top of new technology at least every decade anyway, otherwise you're going to have a hard time if you ever want to recover it. [22:49] Yup. What'd be nice is a standard.... "filesystem" might not be quite the right word ... something like Parchive perhaps ... that would allow you to automatically repair corrupted data as you do that copy-to-new-media. There are lots of ways to do that, but they all seem to be niche software last maintained in 2006 [22:49] "Why can't I access my HFS data anymore?" [22:50] instead of leaving that up to the filesystem/raid/whatever, which will invariably cock it up and render the whole thing unreadable [22:50] and which leaves the data unproted in-flight to the new media [22:51] (see, there was a corruption between my brain and keyboard, because the word "unprotected" didn't have a checksum.) [22:52] Verify before and after? [22:53] I see that someone is archiving a lot of Twitter [23:05] *** kiska has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:05] *** Flashfire has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [23:05] *** Flashfire has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:05] *** kiska has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:06] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o kiska [23:06] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o kiska [23:13] *** DLoader has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [23:16] *** DLoader has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:17] yes [23:38] *** DLoader_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:49] *** DLoader has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [23:49] *** DLoader_ is now known as DLoader [23:54] Okay, so a lot of ISPs do evil shit like DNS "helping" for invalid domains, http session hijacking (to tell me about upcoming maintence, how sweet!), and apparently malware filtering too, which I've just heard about for the first time. [23:55] I think I've opted out of every bit of that crap that I can, but I wonder, is there a test suite to be sure? Say, this-is-always-malware.example.com/testmyshit.html [23:55] like an HTTP version of Eicar, I suppose [23:57] By "malware filtering", I mean a "feature" that "protects" people from accessing domains known to be associated with malware. I've never seen it before myself because I've always been with proper ISPs, but I've heard about it. [23:58] OpenDNS and Quad9 have this, for example. (Quad9 also offers an "unprotected" DNS server that doesn't.)