#archiveteam-ot 2020-06-04,Thu

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00:57 🔗 Ryz Welp, what a rabbit hole this YouTube video involving Habbo Hotel and crime are mixed together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiDPTiFHfcs
00:58 🔗 Ryz There's a Google Docs document too in the description of all the details in the main body and sources at the end of the file: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRheSm_RtqSGhrSRlTdfbf8f3Wzfar0A4vDqf9VRi2PlgEXjiymRCRt49X1ypdFKm_gAbWjVaCjdxyK/pub
01:01 🔗 Ryz Could start mining for Habbo Hotel related content to archive; that thing existed since 2000
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19:12 🔗 Larsenv so Ryz said about the archive.org book lawsuit: "I mean apparently if the lawsuit is won, the effect would be that IA would never ever do book scanning services again - which is one of IA's major ways of making money to maintain the organization"
19:12 🔗 Larsenv that would suck if they had to stop doing that
19:13 🔗 Larsenv are they scanning books where the copyright still hasn't expired?
19:13 🔗 Ryz Keep in mind that I don't know the ins and outs of that said lawsuit so, and I'm fairly preoccupied just doing stuff in #archivebot and other stuff outside of AT~
19:13 🔗 Larsenv yeah
19:14 🔗 Larsenv and JAA do people talk in this channel much? Whenever I open up my IRC client I usually don't see much
19:14 🔗 Larsenv to my knowledge
19:15 🔗 JAA Depends on whether anyone has anything to say.
19:15 🔗 Larsenv this channel is kind of dead so that's probably why I was inclined to talk in #AB
19:15 🔗 Larsenv #archivebot
19:15 🔗 JAA Most our channels are dead most of the time.
19:15 🔗 Larsenv not #archivebot?
19:16 🔗 JAA But when there's something of relevance to that channel, it becomes active again.
19:16 🔗 JAA That's how IRC has worked since the 80s.
19:16 🔗 Larsenv I think my ZNC doesn't always pull all the messages from when my client has closed
19:16 🔗 Larsenv ig so
19:16 🔗 JAA Ah yeah, ZNC, had that pleasure before.
19:17 🔗 Ryz I very occasionally post something good that I found relating to archiving worth sharing here :p
19:18 🔗 Larsenv JAA: do you use ZNC?
19:18 🔗 Ryz ...Or say my annoyances of like a Halloween-themed Wordpress blog that got nuked ;-;
19:18 🔗 JAA Not anymore, thankfully.
19:18 🔗 Larsenv What do you use now?
19:18 🔗 JAA irssi
19:19 🔗 Larsenv does that function like a bouncer?
19:19 🔗 godane so my manualsbase.com grab is going well
19:19 🔗 JAA I think you can use it like that, but I've never tried.
19:19 🔗 JAA I just run it in tmux on a server and connect to it over SSH.
19:19 🔗 kiska From my reading of the lawsuit, is that they'll make IA stop scanning in-copyright books, but it was very dry reading so...
19:19 🔗 Larsenv ew
19:19 🔗 godane turns out i will have some old canon video camera manuals soon
19:20 🔗 Larsenv kiska: if archive.org gets money from scanning books, I wonder if they'll still get money by scanning books in the public domain, if there's enough of them
19:20 🔗 JAA I'm a terminal person anyway, so it's really no different from running a CLI client locally and connecting to a bouncer.
19:21 🔗 Larsenv yeah I like having the GUI client
19:21 🔗 JAA Ew, GUIs
19:22 🔗 JAA :-)
19:22 🔗 Larsenv you do you
19:23 🔗 JAA I thought IA was exempt from that part of copyright law due to being a library?
19:24 🔗 kiska https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/943242767 Filing 990 for 2018 suggests IA derives most of its ~60% of its income from donations
19:24 🔗 JAA Cause, you know, collecting books and preserving them by scanning (or previously microfiche etc.) is kind of what libraries do.
19:25 🔗 JAA Are they actually attacking the scanning, not the distribution of scans?
19:25 🔗 kiska I believe its the distribution
19:25 🔗 kiska Since "unlimited" loans is the problem, Controlled Digital Lending I believe wasn't a problem with the 1 to 1 lending
19:26 🔗 kiska But when IA removed the 1 to 1 ratio
19:26 🔗 JAA Right, that's what I'd expect.
19:27 🔗 kiska Also IANAL :D
19:28 🔗 schbirid ILIKEANAL
19:28 🔗 JAA If it's that, it's not really surprising, and it makes me wonder whether IA provoked the publishers on purpose to get a court decision on some fundamental questions about the digital world and libraries.
19:28 🔗 Larsenv so it doesn't function like a regular library?
19:29 🔗 JAA Or well, maybe not "on purpose" but knew this would come.
19:29 🔗 kiska :D
19:30 🔗 JAA I'm sad that nobody came up with an expansion of "ILIKEANAL" yet, apparently.
19:31 🔗 kiska :D
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23:59 🔗 Mateon1 Hey, I'm looking into archiving Youtube comments. I've participated in the Youtube Annotations archival project, but the only big community moved to matrix which I can't easily access right now.

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