#archiveteam 2011-07-25,Mon

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02:37 🔗 Silent700 anyone do any book/manual scanning?
03:04 🔗 underscor Silent700: I do a lot
03:04 🔗 Silent700 coo
03:04 🔗 Silent700 just looking for tips on doing manuals...most I am unstapling, running through the duplex scanner
03:04 🔗 Silent700 I end up with two facing pages
03:05 🔗 Silent700 using a batch mode in Irfanview now to split them down the middle
03:05 🔗 Silent700 then the tedious task of assembling them in order in Acrobat
03:07 🔗 underscor Oh, I just use xsane
03:07 🔗 underscor It does all the magic for me
03:07 🔗 underscor I just feed it 200 sheets at a time
03:07 🔗 underscor I assume you're using Windows though
03:09 🔗 Silent700 yeah, tho linux is an option
03:09 🔗 Silent700 what does xsane do for you in that case?
03:09 🔗 Silent700 auto-split the page?
03:09 🔗 Silent700 or even more magic?
03:12 🔗 underscor Auto rotate and creates a pdf
03:12 🔗 underscor Then I split the pages in half with pdftk
03:13 🔗 underscor (but you have to be precise with your scanning position)
03:14 🔗 Silent700 hm
03:14 🔗 Silent700 actually, let me amend the bit about Irfanview
03:14 🔗 Silent700 I found a better way there - crop in Acrobat, export, crop to the other half, export
03:14 🔗 Silent700 either way, end up with a bunch of TIFFs completely out of order
03:15 🔗 Silent700 extremely slickness would involve OCRing those TIFFs, detecting page # and auto-sorting :)
03:17 🔗 underscor Prone to breakage, though
03:17 🔗 Silent700 majorly
03:21 🔗 atg underscor: what do you use for physically scanning?
03:21 🔗 underscor Canon MX870
03:22 🔗 underscor Best feed tray I've ever used
03:22 🔗 atg 's not that expensive either
03:22 🔗 underscor It's not a simultaneous duplexer, but it works wonderfully
03:22 🔗 underscor for things that are curled, crinkly, etc
03:23 🔗 underscor and it has pretty mible pickup
03:23 🔗 underscor infallible*
03:23 🔗 underscor Don't know how that became mible, haha
03:23 🔗 underscor They have a decent linux driver too, but it's ubuntu only
03:23 🔗 underscor (Well, ootb ubuntu only. I'm sure you can get the ppd out of it somehow
03:24 🔗 Silent700 Fujitsu M4097D here
03:24 🔗 Silent700 Grey only, tho
03:24 🔗 underscor Oh, that's a dedicated scanning unit
03:25 🔗 Silent700 it was pretty srs in its time
03:25 🔗 Silent700 kind of outdated now, but I can crank through ringbound manuals with it quite nicely
03:26 🔗 Silent700 I've been using the Xerox scanners at work for color/nicer stuff
03:26 🔗 Silent700 brochures, etc
03:26 🔗 atg I'm considering building a scanner for digitizing textbooks at some point
03:27 🔗 atg Seeing as I really don't feel like slicing though the spince
03:27 🔗 Silent700 a page-flipper?
03:27 🔗 atg *spine
03:27 🔗 atg Yeah
03:27 🔗 atg Unless there's an easy way to re-bind a book
03:27 🔗 Coderjoe automated page flipping is prone to failure
03:28 🔗 Silent700 I have done a couple throw-away books by peeling the spine and manually de-binding
03:28 🔗 underscor That's why the archive pays people to stand there and do it
03:28 🔗 Silent700 which...sux
03:28 🔗 underscor http://i.imgur.com/Chlin.png Sadness :(
03:29 🔗 underscor "Admin attention needed"
03:34 🔗 Coderjoe you broke derive
03:34 🔗 Silent700 I resubmitted a doc a couple nights ago that said that
03:34 🔗 Silent700 it eventually got processed
03:35 🔗 balrog Silent700: what ya doing here?
03:36 🔗 Silent700 learnin' about archivin'
03:37 🔗 balrog ha, ok
03:37 🔗 balrog so I just received a set of CD images -- the complete WWDC 1997 set
03:37 🔗 balrog it contains videos in .rm format and presentations in adobe persuasion format
03:38 🔗 underscor Adobe Persuasion?
03:38 🔗 underscor Never heard of that
03:39 🔗 Silent700 it failed to persuade you
03:39 🔗 balrog I dug up a copy of 4.0 prerelease for Mac OS classic
03:39 🔗 balrog https://www.adobe.com/products/adobemag/archive/pdfs/9701qapn.pdf for some info on it
03:39 🔗 balrog apparently 4.0 can export to PDF.
03:40 🔗 balrog also:
03:40 🔗 balrog someone should mention discferret ( www.discferret.com ) on http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks
03:41 🔗 balrog it is more powerful than pretty much everything else out there and can handle MFM *hard drives*
03:41 🔗 balrog unfortunately the software needs some work, but that's in progress :)
05:13 🔗 SketchCow Back.
05:19 🔗 SketchCow Dude, Discferret is vaporware.
05:19 🔗 SketchCow Oh sure, there's a board, and some smatterings of programatic advancement.
05:20 🔗 SketchCow But you can't buy one.
05:20 🔗 SketchCow You buy the bare board and a unicorn fart and both are interchangeable.
05:21 🔗 SketchCow Also, kudos on no pictures on the for sale page. Super sexy.
05:21 🔗 SketchCow Very, you know... complete-feeling.
05:22 🔗 SketchCow You'll also notice it doesn't have an entry for the catweasel, another piece of technerd garbage
05:43 🔗 Coderjoe weasel... ferret... i sense a theme
05:45 🔗 arbin how about harddrive hedgehog?
05:54 🔗 SketchCow Well, yes, that was the point.
05:54 🔗 SketchCow They didn't like the catweasel, so they wanted their own overpromising tech
05:57 🔗 arbin well anyway, if you have problems with disc ferret you can bug balrog about it, i think he knows the guy who's working on that project or something
06:19 🔗 SketchCow I'm sure he does.
06:20 🔗 arbin anyway, are you really the textfiles.com guy?
06:20 🔗 Silent700 what about the Kryoflux? Also vapor?
06:20 🔗 chronomex arbin: yes, SketchCow is Jason Scott.
06:21 🔗 arbin oh, cool
06:21 🔗 SketchCow I bought a Kryoflux.
06:21 🔗 SketchCow I think it's waiting at the post office, I got a yellow slip
06:21 🔗 SketchCow I might need to sign something
06:21 🔗 Silent700 I got mine recently
06:21 🔗 Silent700 imaged a couple Amiga disks with it, so that works
06:22 🔗 Coderjoe SketchCow: when did you order?
06:22 🔗 Silent700 and now it's on the floor somewhere near my left foot
06:22 🔗 SketchCow I don't know
06:22 🔗 SketchCow Somewhere back
06:22 🔗 SketchCow P.S. 400 Floppies arrived
06:32 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, what sort of floppies? How long does it take to read one?
06:32 🔗 SketchCow Floppy Disks. People are sending me floppies because I said I'd read them.
06:33 🔗 Nemo_bis Ah, ok.
06:33 🔗 Nemo_bis Thought it could be some special collection donation. :-)
06:35 🔗 Nemo_bis You need a floppy ADF
06:35 🔗 Coderjoe it is called an autoloader
06:35 🔗 Coderjoe i have one for 3.5
06:37 🔗 Coderjoe i still need to script up the process and find my camera to snap the labels. and my kryoflux needs to arrive
06:38 🔗 Nemo_bis hm http://www.professionalequipment.it/httpdocs/italiano/prodotti/diskette.jpg
06:39 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Acdbbsarchive&sort=-publicdate has gotten a ton more items.
06:39 🔗 SketchCow It's about to get MANY more.
06:40 🔗 * Nemo_bis feels the need for isoview.php
06:44 🔗 SketchCow 226 60.236 seconds (measured here), 33.93 Mbytes per second
06:44 🔗 SketchCow 226-File successfully transferred
06:44 🔗 SketchCow 2143243772 bytes sent in 60.22 secs (34755.4 kB/s)
06:44 🔗 SketchCow Ponder that one for a moment.
06:45 🔗 arbin i pondered.
06:46 🔗 Nemo_bis It's so unfair, underscor has to upload 18500 items at 10 Mb/s
06:46 🔗 Nemo_bis :-p
06:47 🔗 arbin ah that's a ftp transaction?
06:47 🔗 arbin new 226 looked familiar
06:49 🔗 arbin knew
06:50 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/20081201-TheWell&reCache=1
08:05 🔗 Nemo_bis hm, are those on IA? http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/serial?id=philtransactions (via http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/sj/2011/07/24/aaron-swartz-v-united-states/ )
08:15 🔗 SketchCow For years, IA has been absorbing google books
08:15 🔗 SketchCow So no worries
08:16 🔗 Nemo_bis most of them seem to be on Hathi Trust
08:17 🔗 Nemo_bis and Gallica!
08:17 🔗 SketchCow Yes
08:17 🔗 Nemo_bis lol, the French make the Queen's research open
08:18 🔗 SketchCow This whole situation is so dreary and dull I am already quite bored with it.
08:25 🔗 SketchCow I'm uploading shareware CD-ROMs, that feels much more satisfying.
08:27 🔗 Nemo_bis Oh, well, I'm uploading some hundreds GiB of pageviews statistics gzips
08:28 🔗 Nemo_bis And that's very satisfying as well if I think how it was like to upload them via FTP
08:28 🔗 SketchCow Trying to prove a "point" with locked journal scans is kind of uninteresting.
08:29 🔗 Nemo_bis I disagree.
08:29 🔗 Nemo_bis But there's no need to agree. :-p
08:29 🔗 Nemo_bis If I wanted to collect all those Philosophical Transactions of IA I'd love to be able to at least add a keyword to all items that exist already.
08:30 🔗 SketchCow Eventually, I'm sure they'll be a collection.
08:30 🔗 Nemo_bis This is something I often would like to do, it's very boring that only the original uploader can modify metadata.
08:30 🔗 Nemo_bis But still you'd want to distinguish individual papers from complete volumes
08:30 🔗 SketchCow boring's not a good word there
08:30 🔗 SketchCow You want to wikify it.
08:30 🔗 SketchCow That's how you end up with shit.
08:31 🔗 Nemo_bis Not necessarily, you lack even a "send feedback" feature. :-p
08:31 🔗 Nemo_bis *we
08:31 🔗 SketchCow info@archive.org
08:31 🔗 Nemo_bis That doesn't scale
08:31 🔗 SketchCow Yes, but it exists.
08:31 🔗 Nemo_bis Oh, so I can send huge lists of items with metadata corrections?
08:32 🔗 Nemo_bis "There's a typo here"
08:32 🔗 Nemo_bis "This 1200 items need this keyword"
08:32 🔗 SketchCow You could.
08:32 🔗 SketchCow Also, be clear: I am not archive.org
08:32 🔗 Nemo_bis yes, I know
08:33 🔗 SketchCow Over the years, a number of improvements and changes have been made, allowing various things to work better.
08:34 🔗 SketchCow I'm sure if you went ahead and asked for more cogent metadata corrections, some version of that feature might show up.
08:34 🔗 SketchCow Then again, that means someone vets the corrections.
08:34 🔗 chronomex that means money
08:34 🔗 SketchCow And time
08:34 🔗 chronomex yes
08:34 🔗 SketchCow Also, it means bringing the horror of Wikipedia's approach to IA
08:35 🔗 SketchCow Next, let's have people vote-not-vote on what items should be deleted.
08:35 🔗 SketchCow That'll be awesome
08:35 🔗 SketchCow Also, hats
08:35 🔗 SketchCow We need hats
08:35 🔗 SketchCow http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4cc6d8f9cadcbb6b17050000-400-300/sockington-jason-scott-has-1493274-followers.jpg
08:36 🔗 SketchCow OK, enough CD-ROMs for tonight
08:37 🔗 SketchCow I added 55 today
08:37 🔗 chronomex not too shabby
08:37 🔗 SketchCow S3 is very effective for injections.
08:40 🔗 SketchCow Also, puts cd.textfiles.com at 3.6 million files
08:40 🔗 SketchCow I suspect by the time this is over, it'll hit past 4 million
08:40 🔗 SketchCow Almost all of them an animated GIF of a bird
08:40 🔗 SketchCow If Archive Team had a mascot, it'd be Yelling Bird
08:42 🔗 jch linky?
08:42 🔗 SketchCow http://www.indietits.com/comics/blogs.png
08:42 🔗 SketchCow http://www.indietits.com/comics/return.png
08:43 🔗 SketchCow Yelling Bird's favorite word is "Shitcock"
08:44 🔗 SketchCow http://questionablecontent.net/comics/1456.png
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Victims of sexual abuse by priests will no longer be able to sue the Catholic church for damages if a landmark judgment rules that priests should not be considered as employees.
08:52 🔗 SketchCow In a little publicised case heard this month at the high court, the church claimed that it is not "vicariously liable" for priests' actions. The church has employed the argument in the past but this was the first time it had been used in open court and a ruling in the church's favour would set a legal precedent.
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Oh, that one's rich
08:59 🔗 chronomex that's ridiculous.
08:59 🔗 chronomex of course they're employees!
09:00 🔗 arbin they employ arguments but not priests?
09:02 🔗 ersi About the whole metadata debacle; I'd suggest (If someone were interested in hearing it) a "suggest metadata change". It doesn't have to be moderated instantly, maybe it could be viewable from some seperate tab on the asset and be in a queue for moderation.
09:02 🔗 ersi I have no idea who would have time to moderate that though. Maybe some ad-hoc trusted-peer IA metadata warrior group.
09:04 🔗 SketchCow Another possibility is a suggestion thing, which I could then inject changes with, as a test.
09:04 🔗 ersi Isn't that what I wrote? :O
09:05 🔗 SketchCow Where what.
09:05 🔗 ersi Just now, above
09:07 🔗 SketchCow Sorry, getting tired
09:07 🔗 SketchCow I meant my doing it in my own environment instead of bothering IA developers
09:10 🔗 ersi Ah, gotcha
09:25 🔗 SketchCow Damn, adding these is like potato chips
09:25 🔗 SketchCow The script does 99% of the work
09:26 🔗 SketchCow Half the time, I'm going "yeah"
09:28 🔗 SketchCow When I started this on Friday, it had 72 CD-ROMs.
09:28 🔗 SketchCow Now we have 300.
09:38 🔗 ersi Awesome
09:38 🔗 ersi That's a job well done
10:26 🔗 Tatsujin http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmioz5dvD21qbtj0jo1_500.jpg
14:57 🔗 SketchCow See, in the US, you just don't get those.
15:16 🔗 Tatsujin more hungarian c64 magazine covers http://lion.xaraya.hu/mags/c67/
15:16 🔗 Tatsujin http://lion.xaraya.hu/images/magimages/c_ujsag_l/commodore-ujsag-1986-03.jpg
15:16 🔗 Tatsujin awesome stuff :)
17:13 🔗 emijrp http://theinfo.org
17:14 🔗 emijrp You know. I always post good shit.
17:14 🔗 Tatsujin cool
17:17 🔗 SketchCow My KryoFlux came i the mail.
17:17 🔗 SketchCow Kind of nice, I ordered something, and it showed up.
17:17 🔗 SketchCow Unlike, say, the DiscFerret
17:19 🔗 Tatsujin :)
17:22 🔗 emijrp By the way http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/support_aaron/
17:22 🔗 DFJustin kryoflux gets some shit because sps have been very slow to document the IPF format which is retarded for a preservation organization, but there is an awful lot to be said for a product that's shipping
17:24 🔗 SketchCow I'm in the mix now.
17:25 🔗 SketchCow It'll go better and faster.
17:25 🔗 SketchCow Even if I have throw some of you maniacs headlong into it
20:53 🔗 SketchCow We're combining the Archive Team Google Video download with archive.org
20:53 🔗 SketchCow So far, archive team has found 13,000 videos archive.org hasn't.
20:54 🔗 ersi Fuck yeah!
20:54 🔗 ersi High-fives all around
20:55 🔗 Spirit_ damn nice
21:58 🔗 illunatic nice
23:49 🔗 underscor SketchCow: Do you have info on alard's WARC wget?
23:51 🔗 Nemo_bis :) @ underscor's new philtrans
23:52 🔗 underscor :D
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