#archiveteam 2011-09-15,Thu

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00:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Inspecting.
00:07 πŸ”— dnova alard: 3dporch owner is pledging a couple weeks before any deletions. he's really happy that we're involved and he feels pretty bad about the whole mess
00:07 πŸ”— SketchCow Good, let's make that shit happen.
00:08 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd love a statement from the owner about Archive Team.
00:08 πŸ”— dnova and he is trying to find someone to take it over (which kind of scares me)
00:08 πŸ”— dnova SketchCow: alard already has what I think is at least half of the site, probably more
00:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Excellent.
00:08 πŸ”— dnova and the owner hasn't noticed a blip or complained
00:09 πŸ”— dnova hopefully alard will see the ID list I posted (which came from the owner)
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Who gave me that french magazine site.
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow chronomex:
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow I think
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, they're on SOME crazy pipe.
00:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Because I'm getting 2mb/sec downloads
00:15 πŸ”— dnova 09/13/11 12:14:13 < DFJustin> http://www.abandonware-magazines.org/index.php
00:15 πŸ”— dnova that?
00:15 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah
00:15 πŸ”— SketchCow DFJustin: Thanks for that site, it's been wonderful.
00:22 πŸ”— dnova SketchCow: I am not exactly flush at the moment, but pledging my $100 for the 3pack was made a lot easier by the fact that you sent me get lamp. I just want you to know that. Really appreciate it :)
00:23 πŸ”— SketchCow You gotta spend money to make me money
00:23 πŸ”— dnova haha
00:28 πŸ”— dashcloud just threw in my money- most I've spent yet on a kickstarter project
00:29 πŸ”— dnova it's my first kickstarter contribution
00:29 πŸ”— dashcloud congrats- it's a very nice platform, with lots of awesome everywhere
00:29 πŸ”— dnova Yes absolutely
00:30 πŸ”— SketchCow The metadata looks solid.
00:30 πŸ”— SketchCow root@teamarchive-0:/3/MAGS/FRENCH/www.abandonware-magazines.org# find . -size +2M | wc -l
00:30 πŸ”— SketchCow 437
00:30 πŸ”— SketchCow 437 french magazines
00:30 πŸ”— SketchCow And growing
00:30 πŸ”— dnova :D
00:31 πŸ”— dnova j'aime bien la france!
00:31 πŸ”— dashcloud they're all in french, and not just collected by a french speaker?
00:31 πŸ”— SketchCow They're MOSTLY in French.
00:31 πŸ”— SketchCow In some cases, they're french editions of american magazines.
00:31 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.abandonware-magazines.org/downloadrapide.php
00:31 πŸ”— SketchCow That's the full list.
00:34 πŸ”— dashcloud that's impressive- they even have some of the CDs that went with those magazines
00:43 πŸ”— godane so a french n64 magazine had a cd in magazine?
00:44 πŸ”— godane that doesn't make sense cause n64 was cartidge base
00:44 πŸ”— dnova could be videos or software for PC use
00:48 πŸ”— dnova A leap of faith, perhaps, SketchCow. But not a big one :)
00:49 πŸ”— godane i just was questioning it. thats all
00:50 πŸ”— godane i know that with playstation magzine it makes sense to have a cd in it
00:50 πŸ”— dnova godane, I wasn't chastising you, I was replying to an update from SketchCow on the kickstarter project :)
00:50 πŸ”— godane ok
00:51 πŸ”— dnova I just made a guess about the N64 magazine CD
01:04 πŸ”— dashcloud just watched the trailer- loved the music. Would people still enjoy the music as much if they could actually understand the words?
01:05 πŸ”— dnova the arcade teaser?
01:05 πŸ”— dashcloud yeah
01:05 πŸ”— dnova I dunno, why?
01:06 πŸ”— dnova I enjoy it despite not understanding the lyrics
01:08 πŸ”— dashcloud which leads to my question- would you enjoy the music as much if you could understand the lyrics?
01:09 πŸ”— dnova well how can I possibly answer that question?
01:09 πŸ”— dnova maybe the lyrics are about murdering children and ripping the heads off of kittens
01:09 πŸ”— dnova and in that case maybe I wouldn't enjoy it as much
01:16 πŸ”— dashcloud damn- from the small bits I see of this magazine (Big K), it's pretty impressive
01:27 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: i think you will love survialblog.com
01:27 πŸ”— godane cause they back there shit up
01:28 πŸ”— godane http://www.survivalblog.com/archivecd.html
01:39 πŸ”— DFJustin SketchCow: yay
01:39 πŸ”— DFJustin here's a hungarian site but there's not nearly as much stuff http://pcvilag.muskatli.hu/irodalom/begins/news.index.html
01:41 πŸ”— DFJustin I really want to find some japanese ones
01:43 πŸ”— perfinion aw, laptop and pistol not included
01:47 πŸ”— godane i think in 3-5 years twitter and facebook will be more locally store
01:48 πŸ”— godane or at very least synced to local disk
01:48 πŸ”— dnova I doubt it
01:48 πŸ”— dnova but you can currently download your entire facebook profile
01:55 πŸ”— godane http://gizmodo.com/5839806/intels-next-chip-will-run-your-laptop-for-24-hours-on-one-battery-charge
01:56 πŸ”— godane with something like 24 hours on one battery and 10 days on connected standby it maybe possible
01:57 πŸ”— godane combine that with mesh network and your running your own twitter feed on your phone
02:09 πŸ”— Jofo I'm moving, and removing the harddrives from a couple old computers I have, prior to donating the equipment to someone who rebuilds these for schools
02:09 πŸ”— Jofo I wonder what sort of awesome goodies (porn) await me on these things
02:12 πŸ”— Jofo an 81gig, 2 17's, and a 2.1 gig :3
02:35 πŸ”— chronomex Ymgve: what tool were you using to decode MFM on the cray image? I've got some MFM tape images that need decoding
03:38 πŸ”— Aranje If I were scanning things in on windows, and getting .bmp's from it, what would be best for turning a collection of them into pdf's. OCR not necessary.
03:39 πŸ”— Aranje Or maybe: What sucks less than photoshit for scanning stuff in on windows?
04:04 πŸ”— chronomex archive.org will turn a pile of .tif to a .pdf, if you upload it
04:04 πŸ”— chronomex imagemagick's `convert' will turn a pile of .anything into a pile of .anythingelse
04:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
04:09 πŸ”— SketchCow The lyrics of that song are vaguely in sync with the content.
04:09 πŸ”— SketchCow It's not just any song.
04:10 πŸ”— chronomex what?
04:10 πŸ”— Aranje hmm
04:11 πŸ”— Aranje I don't want to upload it to archive.org, it's my take home quiz.
04:11 πŸ”— Aranje I wonder if xnview will do it
04:16 πŸ”— Aranje oh man
04:17 πŸ”— Aranje xnview is way better at it
04:17 πŸ”— Aranje cept I still can't stick them into 1 pdf
04:17 πŸ”— Aranje but I can make 4 good quality pdf's
04:24 πŸ”— chronomex I think there's a utility called pdfcat
04:24 πŸ”— Coderjoe sweet. I just verified: that stored block I located works as a resync point. nothing after it refers back to data I can't recover.
04:25 πŸ”— Coderjoe pdf2ps + cat + ps2pdf?
04:25 πŸ”— chronomex yeah, that might work
04:25 πŸ”— chronomex though that causes document size to balloon
04:29 πŸ”— SketchCow root@teamarchive-0:/3/MAGS/FRENCH/www.abandonware-magazines.org# find . -size +2M | wc -l
04:29 πŸ”— SketchCow 1816
04:29 πŸ”— SketchCow 1,816 magazines. And growing.
04:30 πŸ”— Coderjoe I might also write something to try and see if I can potentially find a block start somewhere between the end of the hole and the stored block
04:31 πŸ”— Coderjoe because 40KB of deflated data is bad enough to lose. 200KB+ is really bad
04:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Is this over that thing on the Friendster exhibit/item?
04:31 πŸ”— Coderjoe yeah
04:32 πŸ”— SketchCow I guess all I can say is I hope your general life improvement is occurring and it's not just 100% to get the data back.
04:32 πŸ”— Coderjoe though I suppose saving the 500MB after the hole is still a good thing
04:34 πŸ”— Coderjoe it isn't like I'm spending all of my available time on this
04:36 πŸ”— SketchCow Good.
04:36 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm just saying there's always a chance after cleanup we'll find replacement.
04:37 πŸ”— Coderjoe it's also a fun academic puzzle in finding how much of a corrupted gz file can be recovered
04:38 πŸ”— Aranje fuck yeah, xnview is fucking righteous
04:38 πŸ”— Aranje You guys keep telling me linux shit
04:39 πŸ”— Aranje I'm not scanning on linux
04:39 πŸ”— Aranje lmao
04:39 πŸ”— Coderjoe ghostscript is available for platforms other than linux
04:39 πŸ”— Aranje never used it before
04:39 πŸ”— Aranje and does it have a gui I can use?
04:39 πŸ”— Coderjoe (and ghostscript is what provides the ps2pdf and pdf2ps commands I mentioned)
04:40 πŸ”— Aranje I'm not starting in ps format though, I'm starting with an image
04:40 πŸ”— Aranje :/
04:40 πŸ”— DFJustin you can get imagemagick for windows
04:40 πŸ”— Aranje does it have a gui?
04:40 πŸ”— DFJustin not built-in, there may be a third-party one out there
04:40 πŸ”— Aranje I know you all love scripting things, but I wanted to scan 4 pages not 400
04:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe nobody said anything about scripting
04:41 πŸ”— Aranje Well, if I'm not scripting there's no reason to expose myself to the godawful that is cmd.exe in windows
04:42 πŸ”— DFJustin you can get bash for windows too :P
04:42 πŸ”— Aranje anyhow, xnview did it like a champ
04:42 πŸ”— Coderjoe ok, so you scan 4 pages and have tiffs. imagemagic's convert to convert them to another format (ps or pdf), concatinate them, and the run ghostscript on the output
04:42 πŸ”— Aranje sounds complicated :D
04:43 πŸ”— Aranje The way I did it was: scanned each page in, then saved all as png, then used the multi-page pdf maker and shat a pdf
04:44 πŸ”— Aranje huh, tiff does multipage
04:44 πŸ”— Aranje neat
04:44 πŸ”— Coderjoe also for linux, pdfcreator can combine pdf files
04:44 πŸ”— Coderjoe yes
04:45 πŸ”— Aranje Oh neat, I've got that on windows
04:45 πŸ”— Aranje seems to have the same function too
04:45 πŸ”— Aranje but it can't do WIA
04:46 πŸ”— Aranje which means I'm still left scanning using a different program then putting them into pdfcreator's image2pdf
04:46 πŸ”— Coderjoe pdfcreator actually uses ghostscript under the hood, too
04:46 πŸ”— Aranje Which is nice, but gs apparently doesn't speak wia
04:46 πŸ”— Aranje which is what I need, being on Windows and not Linux
04:47 πŸ”— DFJustin fwiw I use IrfanView for scanning on windows, it can do batch scanning
04:47 πŸ”— Aranje xnview is very similar in form and function
04:47 πŸ”— Aranje (and is what I used)
04:47 πŸ”— Coderjoe why would it speak wia? (and the wia scanning dialog sucks ass compared to the ones I have seen under twain). it doesn't even do SANE
04:48 πŸ”— Coderjoe (sane being the linux scanning api)
04:48 πŸ”— Aranje I don't know, why are you suggesting it if it doesn't do what I need?
04:48 πŸ”— Aranje :/
04:49 πŸ”— Aranje I don't know of anything that still gives me a twain dialogue anymore
04:49 πŸ”— Aranje photoshop doesn't, xnview doesn't
04:49 πŸ”— DFJustin irfanview does
04:49 πŸ”— Aranje I could go and pirate coreldraw because I know for a fact it does, but that seems far out of the way
04:50 πŸ”— Aranje ahh yes! But then I have to install a new program to replace one I already have!
04:50 πŸ”— Aranje That does the same thing!
04:50 πŸ”— Aranje :D
04:54 πŸ”— * Aranje grabs irfanview to see how the import dialogue is
04:56 πŸ”— Aranje hah
04:56 πŸ”— Aranje irfanview totally uses the same WIA dialogue
04:56 πŸ”— Aranje even though it says twain
04:57 πŸ”— DFJustin :(
04:57 πŸ”— Aranje I have this feeling that win7 doesn't /do/ twain
04:57 πŸ”— Aranje or something stupid like that
05:03 πŸ”— Coderjoe because I was going under the assumption that you had already scanned the pages to tif files
05:04 πŸ”— Coderjoe gimp does twain and wia, depending on installed drivers
05:05 πŸ”— Coderjoe I wish I could manage to uninstall the wia drivers for this scanner and re-install the twain32 drivers I had before I reinstalled windows... it has a much more advanced interface
05:06 πŸ”— Coderjoe I haven't tried to scan under windows 7, so I don't know if it still offers twain
05:38 πŸ”— Aranje I've yet to find something in win7 that doesn't do WIA
05:38 πŸ”— Aranje Also, ahh. But no, I hadn't scanned them in yet.
05:39 πŸ”— Aranje I tried one and decided .bmp was a shit format (that's what photoshop does by default from the WIA thing)
05:46 πŸ”— alard dnova: Just found your id list, will have a look at it later today.
08:57 πŸ”— kin37ik sup?
09:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Boy, did I buy a coding headache.
09:34 πŸ”— SketchCow Whoops, coding headache removed
09:34 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks to my old buddy 's/.*\///g'
10:07 πŸ”— chronomex hahaha
16:41 πŸ”— dnova alard: great, keep me updated if you could
17:16 πŸ”— doogiez Member Of Lulzsec Found In #Chat - Sabu Using The Nickname S4BU. Hiding In Plain Sight! Plus Bratty From Anonnet And Anonops. Lulzsec May Be Disbanded, This Does Not Allow Them To Skip Justice! -IRCOPS Stand Down Or You Will Start A War- -We Stand As One With The United States Of America-
17:16 πŸ”— dnova um.
17:19 πŸ”— Schbirid SketchCow: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3000501 (#10 atm)
17:27 πŸ”— SketchCow Neat.
17:27 πŸ”— SketchCow There's some good solid Jason Hate on hackernews, so we'll see what happens.
17:28 πŸ”— tripp3r Member Of Lulzsec Found In #Chat - Sabu Using The Nickname S4BU. Hiding In Plain Sight! Plus Bratty From Anonnet And Anonops. Lulzsec May Be Disbanded, This Does Not Allow Them To Skip Justice! -IRCOPS Stand Down Or You Will Start A War- -We Stand As One With The United States Of America-
17:29 πŸ”— dnova wtf
17:34 πŸ”— tripp3r Member Of Lulzsec Found In #Chat - Sabu Using The Nickname S4BU. Hiding In Plain Sight! Plus Bratty From Anonnet And Anonops. Lulzsec May Be Disbanded, This Does Not Allow Them To Skip Justice! -IRCOPS Stand Down Or You Will Start A War- -We Stand As One With The United States Of America-
17:35 πŸ”— chronomex SketchCow: ops are getting low?
17:43 πŸ”— db48x yea, I'm not an op any more either
17:43 πŸ”— db48x I blame comcast
17:47 πŸ”— SketchCow All the good people are ops
17:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Not like you bastards
17:48 πŸ”— dnova heh
17:48 πŸ”— db48x heh
17:50 πŸ”— Jofo needs more eggdrop
17:52 πŸ”— chronomex bots--
17:53 πŸ”— chronomex i think the Tape documentary would be the coolest
17:53 πŸ”— chronomex but then, I'm a dork.
17:53 πŸ”— dnova high five!!!
17:53 πŸ”— dnova I'm one of the 3 :(
17:54 πŸ”— chronomex _o/*\o_
17:54 πŸ”— dnova they're all going to be amazing
17:54 πŸ”— chronomex which 3?
17:54 πŸ”— dnova $100 tape backer
17:54 πŸ”— chronomex aha
17:54 πŸ”— dnova I'd like to get the 3 pack but I can't swing that right now
17:55 πŸ”— chronomex alas, i dont have disposable income atm
17:55 πŸ”— dnova yeah, the $100 is tough enough as it is
17:55 πŸ”— SketchCow the best part has been the kickstarter 'community manager' who sent me advice on how to do this
17:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Changes to make to fix it so it will do well
17:56 πŸ”— SketchCow Suggestions I ignored
17:56 πŸ”— SketchCow And you can see the terrible price I paid
17:56 πŸ”— chronomex ogod your guna faile
17:56 πŸ”— dnova lol
17:57 πŸ”— SketchCow I love the community manager
17:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Basically, I am not interested in providing rewards for $25 investments
17:58 πŸ”— chronomex woo fuckyeah++ i found someone who's willing to bankroll microfiche scanning
17:58 πŸ”— SketchCow There is a very famous band (by some definitions) I am going to contact about doing some soundtrack
17:58 πŸ”— chronomex go big or go home
17:59 πŸ”— dnova some justin bieber tracks for the documentaries
18:25 πŸ”— Schbirid http://www.vimeo.com/6745866 awesome (jerry's map)
18:35 πŸ”— Schbirid http://vimeo.com/11804927
18:37 πŸ”— Schbirid nice, i think who.is just did follow my "please remove my domain's old whois information to protect my privacy" mail
18:48 πŸ”— ndurner1 SketchCow: I'm done with uploading my Google Groups files.
18:49 πŸ”— ndurner1 There are two additional files in the root, those are dumps of the GAE database
18:49 πŸ”— ndurner1 so that others don't have to crawl the index again
18:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Thanks
19:00 πŸ”— ndurner1 :-)
19:06 πŸ”— tripp3r Lulzsec Member Sabu Found Using The Nickname S4BU - Same phalse.2600.com Shell - In #chat - Remember Sabu - The FBI Always Gets Their Man!
19:15 πŸ”— nev4rzz Lulzsec Member Sabu Found Using The Nickname S4BU - Same phalse.2600.com Shell - In #chat - Remember Sabu - The FBI Always Gets Their Man!
19:16 πŸ”— Ymgve wtf
19:17 πŸ”— Coderjoe perhaps a phraseban on "Lulzsec Member Sabu Found" is in order?
19:23 πŸ”— alard dnova: I downloaded the images on 3dporch's id list. 96GB + 824MB (nsfw) of images, plus the html pages for these images.
19:23 πŸ”— dnova welp!
19:23 πŸ”— dnova that should be everything then
19:24 πŸ”— alard I guess so, yes.
19:24 πŸ”— alard Are there any more images coming, or is it time to start thinking about organising and uploading?
19:25 πŸ”— dnova unfortunately he has not disabled uploads
19:25 πŸ”— Schbirid i need those nsfw ones
19:26 πŸ”— dnova lol
19:56 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.nypl.org/events/programs/2011/09/28/jason-scott-rise-metadata-warrior
20:06 πŸ”— dnova alard: 3dporch owner says your total is correct, so no surprises. Only thing is any new stuff uploaded after yesterday at 5:30pm eastern us time
20:34 πŸ”— DFJustin "Jason Scott, mascot of Archive Team"
20:35 πŸ”— DFJustin that's an interesting way of putting it
20:35 πŸ”— alard dnova: Okay. I've just redownloaded the index pages and am downloading the new additions now. What I don't understand is why these index pages do not list every image. If there are images that are not listed there, how do people find them?
20:36 πŸ”— Coderjoe the uploader shares the link with friends?
20:36 πŸ”— dnova they're "private"
20:36 πŸ”— dnova yeah.
22:05 πŸ”— SketchCow ----------------------------------
22:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Yahoo! is closing Delicious on September 23rd.
22:05 πŸ”— SketchCow ----------------------------------
22:07 πŸ”— SketchCow Let's discuss if we want to archive it.
22:07 πŸ”— SketchCow I need to go out the door, but we can talk about it.
22:11 πŸ”— chronomex what, really?
22:11 πŸ”— chronomex that's a shock.
22:11 πŸ”— chronomex ...
22:11 πŸ”— chronomex didn't we do a project on it a year ago or so?
22:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I grabbed usernames
22:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe huh. I thought they already had
22:20 πŸ”— chronomex SketchCow: source?
22:22 πŸ”— DFJustin don't they not own delicious anymore https://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/239971/social_bookmarking_rises_again_with_delicious_remake.html
22:25 πŸ”— underscor So the archive has 873 items >30GB in size
22:25 πŸ”— underscor wow
22:28 πŸ”— Coderjoe "The re-launch of Delicious will be something to watch for, thanks to the experiences of Hurley and Chen. We wonҀ™t have to wait too long; the new site should be out before the end of 2011. In the meantime, if you are a Delicious user, make sure you log in and give it permission to transfer your bookmarks to the new site so that you donҀ™t lose them when the new site is brought online."
22:28 πŸ”— Coderjoe DFJustin: it reads like they are closing it down to transfer ownership. and it also looks like not all of the data will be transferred, due to users needing to opt in
22:30 πŸ”— underscor which means fuck yeah we archive it
22:30 πŸ”— underscor #Magicallydelicious does still exist
22:30 πŸ”— underscor I'm just the only one in it haha
22:52 πŸ”— SketchCow I grabbed usernames
22:52 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.textfiles.com/delicious/
22:52 πŸ”— SketchCow Whoever wants, go for it.
23:24 πŸ”— dashcloud if people are just listed as contributors, with no indication of what they contributed, should I just put their names down, or should I put (Contributor) after their name?
23:24 πŸ”— chronomex put them in the contributor slot, without altering their name.
23:25 πŸ”— dashcloud well, I have a STAFF: slot, and if they are marked as doing something, I put that after their name
23:25 πŸ”— chronomex ah
23:25 πŸ”— dashcloud originally I didn't put anything after their name, but on the 4th one, I started to
23:26 πŸ”— dashcloud being consistent is rather difficult
23:26 πŸ”— chronomex yeah
23:26 πŸ”— dashcloud I made myself a template to use, and it kind of helps (except when I misread a heading)
23:31 πŸ”— db48x dashcloud: what're you working on?
23:38 πŸ”— dashcloud big K
23:39 πŸ”— db48x2 ah,
23:43 πŸ”— dashcloud fascinating- some things never changed from the way they were
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