#archiveteam 2011-11-29,Tue

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00:10 🔗 SketchCow Dude.
00:10 🔗 SketchCow So, opinions.
00:10 🔗 SketchCow Savetz, a buddy, at least I think it's Kevin Savetz, just added a link on the rescuing floppy disks with a service.
00:10 🔗 SketchCow Will take floppy disks and convert to CD-ROM.
00:10 🔗 SketchCow $20/Floppy
00:10 🔗 SketchCow Doesn't that seem exhorbitant?
00:10 🔗 SketchCow $10 additional to return it
00:11 🔗 SketchCow Site has massive google ads
00:12 🔗 dnova yes
00:12 🔗 SketchCow I mean, I guess the fact is, it's on a page where it has volunteers and it has a service
00:12 🔗 SketchCow So I guess we should just volunteer
00:12 🔗 SketchCow The service is a service
00:12 🔗 chronomex free, if you're okay with sharing the data.
00:13 🔗 chronomex return requires a postage-paid package
00:13 🔗 chronomex and no strong guarantees on turnaround time
00:15 🔗 soultcer For standard 3,5 inch floppies or some other format?
00:15 🔗 SketchCow Go ahead and read it.
00:15 🔗 SketchCow floppyrecovery.net
00:15 🔗 dnova http://www.floppyrecovery.net/
00:15 🔗 dnova seems kind of contrary to the spirit of archiveteam and the archiveteam wiki
00:16 🔗 Coderjoe bleh
00:16 🔗 Coderjoe that's easy
00:16 🔗 Coderjoe $20 per disk is kinda pricy
00:16 🔗 soultcer $20/disk doesn't sound too bad for some old disks in weird sizes
00:16 🔗 Coderjoe soultcer: this is for standard 5.25 and 3.5 though
00:17 🔗 soultcer Well if you were careless enough to throw out your floppy drive without checking your floppies for valuable data fist you deserve to pay
00:18 🔗 Coderjoe I need to find my point and shoot camera so I can write the scripting needed to drive the autoloader, kryoflux, and camera to have it automatically run through a stack of 3.5
00:18 🔗 dnova your... camera?
00:18 🔗 Coderjoe (the camera image is to capture any label metadata)
00:18 🔗 Nemo_bis :O
00:18 🔗 dnova OH
00:18 🔗 dnova soultcer: that's pretty arbitrary to decie
00:18 🔗 dnova decide
00:18 🔗 Coderjoe the autoloader ejects the disk and the camera takes a picture
00:20 🔗 Coderjoe and the kryoflux logs are also kept. and I think a file signalling a kryoflux error, though that could be handled via log file grepping
00:21 🔗 dnova I'd do that for basically beer money, to be honest
00:21 🔗 dnova but I wouldn't be doing it as a career or real source of income
00:22 🔗 dnova I don't have that sexy usb floppy disk controller though
00:22 🔗 Coderjoe i guess if it takes 20 minutes per floppy overall, that is somewhat acceptable... it comes down to how you value your time
00:22 🔗 dnova 20 minutes per floppy?
00:23 🔗 Coderjoe between reading it, burning the CD, and packaging it up
00:23 🔗 Coderjoe (if using a KF, it can take some time if you tell it to read each track multiple times per read)
00:26 🔗 dnova I don't think $60/hr is a fair price for "press butan"
00:26 🔗 dnova but what do I know
00:29 🔗 dashcloud it's probably not, but he's probably taking a page from the VHS conversion folks- cheap for single ones, but rather expensive in bulk, and the equipment costs just enough to make it not worth your while to do it yourself
00:30 🔗 Paradoks I think that's the real problem; $20 for the first floppy isn't massively expensive, but converting a stack of 20 disks for $400 seems really excessive.
00:31 🔗 Paradoks dashcloud: Re: csoon.com. Running the same command you did, the coming-soon directory ended up with 3,167 items, totaling 68.9 MB. The warc.gz file portion is 37.3 MB. It looks about like how things looked with Splinder and Mobile Me, but, again, I'm far from being an expert.
01:29 🔗 PatC SketchCow, your ustream.tv isn't working
01:30 🔗 PatC 'We're sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.'
01:32 🔗 DoubleJ PatC: It doesn't like the lack of URL encoding. Try this: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jason-scott%27s-film-school%3A-editing%2C-live!
01:32 🔗 PatC thank you sir
01:39 🔗 instence can anyone help with a SED regex find/replace?
01:39 🔗 instence It works in dreamweaver, but in sed/nix environment it doens't seem to want to work
01:40 🔗 instence i'd like to match: http://blah.com/.*?/folder/
01:40 🔗 instence where .*? = a folder name that could have numbers, letters, or stuff like underscores
01:50 🔗 chronomex what do you want to do with it after you've matched it?
01:54 🔗 Coderjoe s#http://blah.com/(.*)/folder/#\1#
01:55 🔗 instence i want to replace the entire part, the http:// all the way throguh to the end slash with something else
01:55 🔗 Coderjoe well then s#http://blah\.com/.*/folder/#somethingelse#
01:56 🔗 chronomex sed -e 's|http://blah\.com/[-_0-9a-zA-Z]*/folder/|whatever|'
01:56 🔗 instence hmm ill experiment with those
01:57 🔗 instence i had tried .*
01:57 🔗 instence maybe i didn't escape the . in .com
01:58 🔗 instence in other examples i have see, / = the delimeter
01:58 🔗 instence so you can just change to pipes or pound?
02:00 🔗 Coderjoe yes
02:01 🔗 instence nice
02:01 🔗 instence booting slackware VM to test this now
02:01 🔗 Coderjoe there is a limit to the chars available, but if you have / and : you will find it is easier to do pipes or hashes or the like
02:09 🔗 chronomex I use , for my delimiter usually, because it sticks out on the bottom of the line a little bit
02:11 🔗 instence nice, it worked, thanks guys
02:17 🔗 Coderjoe holy glitter
02:18 🔗 Coderjoe http://veryfashionblog.splinder.com/
02:25 🔗 bsmith094 so is there an automatic script for knol archiving?
02:30 🔗 Coderjoe http://mbebenita.github.com/Broadway/broadway.html
04:04 🔗 Paradoks bsmith094: They've talked about scripts in #klol, but there's nothing "automatic", yet. I don't know if it'll require a crowd.
04:04 🔗 Paradoks Coderjoe: Ooo... Nifty.
04:05 🔗 Coderjoe yeah
04:06 🔗 Coderjoe and it is also nice for countering the anti-js-emulator people... "you can't do that well in js!" "oh yeah? check out this x264 decoder implementation!"
04:06 🔗 Coderjoe er, h264
04:06 🔗 Coderjoe whatever
04:07 🔗 SketchCow ha ha
04:07 🔗 SketchCow Well, yes.
04:08 🔗 SketchCow Few people complain about the js idea anymore.
04:08 🔗 SketchCow Now we're just working on it.
04:08 🔗 SketchCow Got some good, good people in a huddle.
04:08 🔗 SketchCow Threw some resources.
04:08 🔗 SketchCow I have good feelings about it.
04:09 🔗 tef well if it doesn't work well give it a year and browsers will be faster :v
04:10 🔗 tef it is one of those things where you have to aim for what might be possible later rather than focusing on the constraints right now
04:11 🔗 tef it is very much one of those situations where those who say it is impossible should stop getting in the way of those trying to achive it
04:23 🔗 Coderjoe I wonder if we should have case squashed the profile names in the intermediate directories
06:00 🔗 instence hmm, lame. for some reason wget in linux is failing on -I (include_directories) with a wildcard
06:30 🔗 SketchCow BACK
06:31 🔗 Coderjoe hmm
06:31 🔗 Coderjoe twice now my rsync to the batcave was interrupted by peer
06:32 🔗 Coderjoe hmm
06:32 🔗 Coderjoe and now i get connection timeout
06:32 🔗 SketchCow Looks like we hit a problem.
06:33 🔗 SketchCow Independently verified.
06:33 🔗 Coderjoe I think IA is having internet connectivity issues again tonight
06:33 🔗 SketchCow Yes
06:33 🔗 SketchCow We're finding this
06:33 🔗 SketchCow They're doing a lot of upgrades, dealing with a lot of upgrade issues as a result.
06:34 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Metadata_warriors
06:39 🔗 instence does anyone have any experience using directory based wildcards in wget?
06:39 🔗 instence for -I aka --include-directories
06:40 🔗 SketchCow Make it \* instad of *
06:42 🔗 instence wouldn't that escape * making it just a normal asterisk and not a wildcard (at least on linux. windows seems to handle * alone just fine as a wildcard)
06:49 🔗 instence yea \* didn't work
06:51 🔗 instence wget is basically downloading 1 file and stopping, breaking the operation
06:51 🔗 instence even just using '-I /fooba?' is causing the same result as '-I /fo*ar'
06:57 🔗 Coderjoe I forget what they were called again, but I hung several of those lights you showed for a couple of live tv productions. most were mounted to the drop tile ceiling framing (for 2 days at most)
06:57 🔗 Coderjoe bright as hell
06:58 🔗 Coderjoe they also had screens that fit between the body and the flaps. iirc, it was mainly so that if a bulb broke, it wouldn't rain glass.
06:58 🔗 Coderjoe it's been a few years, though
07:03 🔗 instence bingo
07:03 🔗 instence finally figured it out
07:03 🔗 instence http://osdir.com/ml/bug-wget-gnu/2009-06/msg00045.html
07:08 🔗 Coderjoe over 2 years later and still not addressed
10:10 🔗 Wyatt What actually causes wget memory to go up so high? Is it the list of finished and unfinished links?
11:26 🔗 db48x :(
11:26 🔗 db48x someone's poems were badly corrupt
11:26 🔗 db48x ./000/944/122/000944122.html: HTML document text
11:26 🔗 db48x ./000/944/122/000944122a.html: data
11:26 🔗 db48x [db48x@celebdil poems]$ file ./000/944/122/000944122{,a}.html
11:26 🔗 db48x [db48x@celebdil poems]$ cat ./000/944/122/000944122a.html
11:26 🔗 db48x [¦|¦¦¦¦[db48x@celebdil poems]$
11:28 🔗 ersi I'd say
11:28 🔗 ersi :/
11:30 🔗 db48x +++ ./011/006/587/011006587a.html 2011-05-02 22:59:15.000000000 -0700
11:30 🔗 db48x --- ./011/006/587/011006587.html 2011-11-23 13:36:53.297491846 -0800
11:30 🔗 db48x [db48x@celebdil poems]$ diff -u ./011/006/587/011006587{,a}.html
11:30 🔗 db48x @@ -11,9 +11,9 @@
11:30 🔗 db48x -<link rel="stylesheet" href="/css/common.css" type="text/css"/>
11:30 🔗 db48x -<link rel="stylesheet" href="/css/footer.css" type="text/css"/>
11:30 🔗 db48x -<link rel="stylesheet" href="/spell_checker/styles.css" type="text/css"/>
11:30 🔗 db48x +<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.poetry.com/css/common.css" type="text/css"/>
11:31 🔗 db48x +<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.poetry.com/css/footer.css" type="text/css"/>
11:31 🔗 db48x +<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.poetry.com/spell_checker/styles.css" type="text/css"/>
11:31 🔗 db48x
11:32 🔗 db48x not sure how I'll weed out that kind of duplicate
12:26 🔗 godane SketchCow: I think you agreed with me on the Cracked post about libraries destroying stuff
12:27 🔗 godane you said this in 2007 defcon video
12:27 🔗 kin37ik dude, dudes, major problem
12:27 🔗 kin37ik like, major problem
12:28 🔗 godane what is?
12:28 🔗 kin37ik global hard drive shortage
12:28 🔗 kin37ik and i need to buy lots of drives and now i cant
12:28 🔗 kin37ik im screeeewed
12:28 🔗 godane i know the feeling
12:29 🔗 kin37ik well, i cant buy in bulk now
12:29 🔗 kin37ik anywhere i buy from limits max of 2 drives for purchase
12:29 🔗 godane luckly the stuff i'm backing up i can fit on dvd's
12:29 🔗 kin37ik i cant really fit 3TB of data onto DVD's lol
12:29 🔗 godane there are seagate drives for $130 at walmart
12:30 🔗 godane only up by $40
12:30 🔗 kin37ik im in aus though
12:30 🔗 kin37ik they went up alot
12:30 🔗 kin37ik used to get 2TB drives for $80, now they are $160 each
12:30 🔗 NotGLaDOS That's the good part.
12:30 🔗 godane unlike WD where is $100 mark up
12:30 🔗 kin37ik before the shortage, the 2TB WD's were $80
12:31 🔗 godane i was talking usb hard drives
12:31 🔗 kin37ik ahh, i dont use those...
12:32 🔗 godane i also backup stuff on dvd
12:32 🔗 NotGLaDOS they're just normal hard drives with a SATA to Mini-USB converter built in and casing.
12:32 🔗 kin37ik yeah, but i get impatient woth USB drives
12:32 🔗 kin37ik with*
12:32 🔗 NotGLaDOS Simply rip them open, and use them like a normal SATA drive!
12:32 🔗 kin37ik hmm, doesnt sound like a half bad idea
12:33 🔗 kin37ik also, i worked out if i were to backup all my stuff onto DVD's, it would take
12:33 🔗 kin37ik 697 DVD's
12:33 🔗 godane i have 100 dvd's stack
12:33 🔗 godane more like 95 i think
12:34 🔗 godane bluray you can cut it down
12:34 🔗 kin37ik yeah, blueray is like, 60GB per disc or something isnt it?
12:34 🔗 kin37ik bluray*
12:34 🔗 godane more like 22gb
12:34 🔗 kin37ik hmm
12:34 🔗 kin37ik okay, gimme a sec here
12:34 🔗 godane but still 200 dics
12:34 🔗 kin37ik 136 bluray discs lol
12:35 🔗 kin37ik lol, that would be a few shoe boxes full
12:35 🔗 godane dual layer are like 46gb but are $15
12:35 🔗 kin37ik $15 us per disc?
12:35 🔗 godane i know you can get a 15 pack of single layer for $30
12:35 🔗 godane only dual layer
12:36 🔗 emijrp dvds are more expensive, and you cant reuse
12:36 🔗 kin37ik i can get 20 dual layer bluray discs from ebay for like $80 which is expensive but, means less dsics
12:36 🔗 emijrp hards disk are better : )
12:36 🔗 kin37ik except hard disks are on short supply globally lol
12:36 🔗 emijrp but of course, a use a lot dvds too
12:37 🔗 emijrp by the way, do yo need so many hard disks por personal use or prof?
12:38 🔗 kin37ik for personal use, yes, i download that much
12:38 🔗 emijrp lol
12:38 🔗 kin37ik 1TB to go untill ive filled this 4TB
12:38 🔗 kin37ik then i need to buy another 8 to 10TB
12:39 🔗 godane you not download HD movies or something
12:39 🔗 ersi You don't simply download HD movies into mordor
12:39 🔗 emijrp do you have 2 copies for every disk?
12:39 🔗 kin37ik i only have about 1TB backed up, because, well, i cant get nay hd's right now lol
12:40 🔗 kin37ik that 1TB is what i have deemed the necessary building block, should my drives fail
12:40 🔗 kin37ik but, the biggest portion of that drive space used is geocities
12:41 🔗 godane oh
12:41 🔗 godane bluray that bitch
12:41 🔗 godane only way
12:41 🔗 emijrp i dont download what is on IA serves. If I dont trust IA, then, I wont have enough hard disks never.
12:41 🔗 kin37ik yes, next is videos that i backed up form VHS and other things downloaded, and all the standard things like pictures, music, laptop backups, work ect ect
12:41 🔗 emijrp But really, I dont trust IA.
12:42 🔗 godane IA?
12:42 🔗 emijrp You forgot porn.
12:42 🔗 kin37ik lol, i dont sotre porn
12:42 🔗 kin37ik store*
12:42 🔗 emijrp MAN.
12:42 🔗 emijrp IA = Internet ARchive.
12:43 🔗 godane ok
12:43 🔗 kin37ik also gotta dorp 4TB in my server since, 500GB is too small
12:44 🔗 godane i would love 6TB dvd
12:44 🔗 emijrp I have 3 hard disks, and I dont want to buy more because it has no sense.
12:45 🔗 godane even at $100
12:45 🔗 emijrp I cant store the entire Internet. I select what is important for me.
12:45 🔗 kin37ik i store what i use, what i deem important and necessary
12:45 🔗 godane i'm backing up crankygeaks and diggnation
12:46 🔗 godane i have hak5 backed up
12:46 🔗 emijrp Yeah, you use 4 TB of data every day. Dude.
12:46 🔗 kin37ik almost 4TB
12:47 🔗 godane i'm also making a linux archive
12:47 🔗 godane a distro that can stay alive without internet
12:48 🔗 godane like compile itself from scratch
12:48 🔗 kin37ik that would take a bit of effort
12:48 🔗 godane i have been working on it with some friends
12:49 🔗 NotGLaDOS reminds me of robots building robots
12:49 🔗 kin37ik im still trying to figure out how to setup a small linux box to act as a DNS for my main server
12:49 🔗 kin37ik with some luck but not much more
12:49 🔗 godane dnsmasq
12:49 🔗 kin37ik eh, i been using Bind9 on this little box
12:49 🔗 kin37ik i got it partially working, not 100% though
12:50 🔗 godane i used a local-mirror script i made to work with local host or wireless ip
12:50 🔗 godane also to setup the website from the mercurial repos
12:56 🔗 emijrp looks like i broke WebCitation
13:01 🔗 kin37ik hmm
13:01 🔗 kin37ik i suppose i should stop being a lazy ass and poke fortunecity some more but ill do that tommorrow XD
13:19 🔗 kin37ik as far as they reckon, the drive shortage probably wont be over till the start of next year :/
13:20 🔗 emijrp you can waste christmas with your family
13:21 🔗 kin37ik lol, spending christmas with the family and the girlfriend is great (:
13:24 🔗 NotGLaDOS I swear I can detect sarcasm
13:24 🔗 kin37ik no sarcasm whatsoever in my comment (:
13:25 🔗 NotGLaDOS it's that smiley face, it's putting me off.
13:25 🔗 kin37ik O.o
13:26 🔗 NotGLaDOS Yep, sarcasm.
13:26 🔗 NotGLaDOS Admit it, you are in love with archiving.
13:26 🔗 NotGLaDOS You want to be with archiving FOREVER.
13:26 🔗 kin37ik LOL
13:26 🔗 kin37ik not even sarcasm XD
13:26 🔗 * NotGLaDOS hands kin37ik the ring
13:26 🔗 NotGLaDOS Go on, propose.
13:26 🔗 kin37ik bahahaha
13:27 🔗 kin37ik eh, phones ringing at this time of night? O.o *hopes it isnt a telemarketer*
13:27 🔗 emijrp It's the INTERNET.
13:27 🔗 NotGLaDOS No, it's archiving, ringing up
13:27 🔗 NotGLaDOS Wondering why you don't love it
13:30 🔗 kin37ik lol
13:30 🔗 kin37ik well, oddly enough, it was a good mate of mine, wondering what i was upto tommorrow O:
13:31 🔗 NotGLaDOS Did you reply with "saving the internet"?
13:31 🔗 NotGLaDOS If you did not, please hit "redial"
13:31 🔗 kin37ik LOL no
13:31 🔗 kin37ik XD
13:33 🔗 emijrp You're Internet Superheroes.
13:34 🔗 NotGLaDOS We are!
13:35 🔗 emijrp Who is the wget creator? That man had a good idea.
13:39 🔗 emijrp Giuseppe Scrivano? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wget
13:40 🔗 emijrp Nice surname http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrivener
13:40 🔗 emijrp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribe
13:42 🔗 kin37ik ohh yeah, i gotta redownload Wget after siping my system 2 weeks ago, thanks for the reminder
13:42 🔗 kin37ik wiping*
13:44 🔗 NotGLaDOS siping > wiping
13:44 🔗 NotGLaDOS Actually, I think siping does exist..
13:45 🔗 NotGLaDOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siping I do love a good rubbersing
13:47 🔗 kin37ik lolwat
13:47 🔗 kin37ik random as
13:51 🔗 emijrp Wikipedia editors have bots creating unreal articles. I heard.
13:52 🔗 NotGLaDOS created in 2005.
13:53 🔗 emijrp When Yahoo! was a great corporation.
13:53 🔗 emijrp Wait.
13:53 🔗 kin37ik LOL @ yahoo.......
13:53 🔗 NotGLaDOS emijrp: made my night
13:56 🔗 emijrp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation
13:56 🔗 emijrp 70kb. Not bad.
14:33 🔗 kin37ik hmm, ill poke some more fortunecity tommorrow, off to bed, laters
16:29 🔗 Coderjoe <NotGLaDOS> Simply rip them open, and use them like a normal SATA drive!
16:29 🔗 Coderjoe <NotGLaDOS> they're just normal hard drives with a SATA to Mini-USB converter built in and casing.
16:30 🔗 Coderjoe not so much anymore. WD actually manufactures hard drives with built-in USB, partly because people would do this.
16:31 🔗 dnova yes, but that's not all drives.
16:31 🔗 dnova another issue is that externals usually have aggressive power saving schemes.
16:32 🔗 dnova sometimes they can be disabled
17:01 🔗 Coderjoe hmmm.. I seem to be able to reach much of archive.org, but still no luck on the batcave
17:22 🔗 dnova batcave down?
18:04 🔗 DoubleJ dnova: As far as I can tell, yes. That or having connection problems. Maybe SketchCow or underscor know more.
18:17 🔗 SketchCow batcave being rebooted
18:34 🔗 dnova seems to be talking now
18:34 🔗 dnova uploading one set of splinders. other server is still splindering
18:48 🔗 dnova what is batcave
18:49 🔗 ersi It's the server that SketchCow has at Internet Archive
18:50 🔗 dnova ah, wondered if it was there or elsewhere.
18:55 🔗 dnova for some reason I thought the downloader gzipped the entire profile into 1 file
18:55 🔗 dnova guess not
19:04 🔗 closure SketchCow: I have 160 gb of splinder to upload, does batcave have the space?
19:09 🔗 ersi I'm sure it has
19:11 🔗 dnova I'm surprised at how fast my upload is going.
19:12 🔗 dnova from ireland to (I assume) california
19:18 🔗 ersi Latency does little to transfer speeds these days
19:18 🔗 ersi plus, most links are pretty darn quick
19:25 🔗 dnova currently uploading one set of ~35gb or so and I'm already at the M's :D
20:02 🔗 dnova oh it's not quite so simple. but still going very fast :)
20:04 🔗 SketchCow Batcave has the space.
20:05 🔗 closure excellent
20:06 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, can sometimes CPU be a problem?
20:06 🔗 Nemo_bis I noticed that upload speed was way higher without compression, even if I had enough idle CPU
20:07 🔗 PatC SketchCow, do you know if you can use a standard 5 1/4" floppy drive to copy c64 disks?
20:08 🔗 SketchCow Yes
20:08 🔗 SketchCow (to PatC)
20:08 🔗 SketchCow I can't answer the other one.
20:08 🔗 PatC Thank you sir!
20:09 🔗 Nemo_bis ok
20:14 🔗 DFJustin you can use a standard drive to copy the front side of c64 disks, but if you want the back side you either need to modify the drive or cut up your disks
20:14 🔗 PatC or use the 1541C drive I have? :p
20:15 🔗 DFJustin yes that works too
20:46 🔗 dnova once the upload script finishes is it completely 100% safe to blindly assume everything went ok?
21:38 🔗 dnova I haven't finished a profile in ages, but I'm still downloading from splinder at about 0.5MB/s
21:42 🔗 Nemo_bis good for you
21:42 🔗 Nemo_bis how many instances?
21:42 🔗 dnova down to 19 or 20
21:43 🔗 dnova 19 or 20 profiles
23:50 🔗 dashcloud this is the 2nd most hard core thing I've seen this week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IY0mDRrqcVU (floppy drives playing Still Alive)
23:52 🔗 SketchCow I am of course the most hard core thing you've seen.
23:52 🔗 SketchCow I bought my new table.
23:56 🔗 BlueMax Watch out, we've got a badass SketchCow over here.
23:57 🔗 dashcloud you're definitely tied for number 1- this guy did some rather impressive feats- he re-did his HP thin client to have SATA ports, and didn't have a spare PCIe for GigE, so he desolders the GPU and reuses that connection http://hackaday.com/2011/11/26/rebuilding-a-mac-se-as-a-server-again/

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