#archiveteam 2011-12-28,Wed

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00:40 🔗 PatC http://www.euronews.net/news/streaming-live/
00:41 🔗 PatC if anyone wants to grab that
00:57 🔗 PatC godane, I have all the systm episodes if you want to torrent them off me
01:12 🔗 godane where is your the torrent?
01:22 🔗 PatC i'll give you a link in just a sec
01:27 🔗 PatC godane, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4186013/Systm.torrent
01:28 🔗 godane i'm getting better files then in this torrent
01:28 🔗 godane the large ones
01:28 🔗 PatC k
01:29 🔗 PatC by the way, how are you making the nfo's
01:30 🔗 godane like this: http://pastebin.com/fc1DGd4y
01:30 🔗 PatC for each episode right?
01:31 🔗 godane yes
01:31 🔗 PatC cool, thanks
02:11 🔗 Famicoman I went mad the last time I tried to archive dead revision3 shows
02:16 🔗 arrith there's probably some black magic way to script it
02:18 🔗 Famicoman nah, it's not that
02:18 🔗 Famicoman I was fine with going to each page and downloading by hand
02:18 🔗 Famicoman there's weird little things
02:18 🔗 Famicoman like I think diggreel episode 141 is missing, indigital episode 12 is unclickable, lil internet superstar has no episode 3
02:19 🔗 Famicoman then foodmob and epicfu have numbering problems
02:19 🔗 Famicoman so you can't tell if the episodes are just gone or if they numbered them wrong
02:19 🔗 Famicoman and then there are shows that only have random-ass formats for no reason
02:19 🔗 Famicoman and then there are the shows that are just gone from the site like geekdrome and notmtv
02:20 🔗 Famicoman it's a pain in the ass the way they structure things
02:20 🔗 arrith ah dang, yeah that's some pretty tedious manual stuff
02:21 🔗 godane Famicoman: i have full backup of crankygeeks
02:21 🔗 Famicoman that's pretty cool
02:21 🔗 godane i even got 6 episodes not listed
02:21 🔗 Famicoman I always wanted to get a full commandn because I felt that was going to go under
02:22 🔗 godane but that was when the url was simple to guess
02:23 🔗 Famicoman when I was getting at rev3, I was trying to get full runs of xvids, and then they made a blog post about discontinuing xvid encodes
02:23 🔗 Famicoman so then I had to get full runs of h264 sd and hd
02:24 🔗 godane the first 25 of diggnation was simple
02:24 🔗 godane only mp4 phone version
02:24 🔗 godane and mp3
02:24 🔗 Famicoman haha, I love that
02:25 🔗 Famicoman are you just going for best quality or what?
02:25 🔗 Famicoman I need to get my stuff sorted and see what's left to snag
02:26 🔗 Famicoman especially those wine shows that look like a pain in the ass
02:26 🔗 godane i'm getting better quality episodes for diggnation after 95
02:27 🔗 SketchCow HELLO HI
02:27 🔗 PatC Famicoman, do you have the descriptions for the shows?
02:28 🔗 godane i have nfo for diggnation
02:28 🔗 godane the first 25 i have to do nfo for
02:28 🔗 PatC ok
02:28 🔗 Famicoman only for some I think, I can't remember
02:28 🔗 Famicoman I was trying to get the content first, descriptions later
02:29 🔗 PatC gotcha
02:29 🔗 godane i was download episodes one at a time
02:29 🔗 godane so i just copy them desc when there
02:30 🔗 Famicoman hmm, thought I'd have more than 353 GB
02:30 🔗 PatC hi SketchCow
02:31 🔗 Famicoman godane, did you manage to find subsystm?
02:31 🔗 PatC Famicoman, also: my wd green is working fine, it just takes 45 seconds to recognise >.<
02:31 🔗 Famicoman well that's odd
02:32 🔗 PatC ya, I even did a sector by sector diagnostics
02:32 🔗 PatC turned up fine
02:32 🔗 PatC I have subsystm if you guys need it btw
02:32 🔗 Famicoman I'm currently moving the blackhat archives but I think this card I found is usb 1.1 or something
02:33 🔗 Famicoman so it'll be a while
02:33 🔗 PatC ok
02:33 🔗 PatC did you still need 2008?
02:33 🔗 PatC ALSO
02:33 🔗 PatC I might lose power
02:33 🔗 PatC high winds
02:33 🔗 Famicoman I cant remember, and okay
02:33 🔗 PatC I should probably start back up on that archive though
02:33 🔗 Famicoman was that the one that was about 28gb?
02:34 🔗 PatC holdon, I have to switch drives
02:34 🔗 PatC 19.8
02:34 🔗 Famicoman that sounds more right
02:34 🔗 Famicoman I probably need that one, but not right now
02:34 🔗 PatC k
02:35 🔗 godane subsystm is not on rev3 but on youtube and google video
02:35 🔗 PatC I think I had the rev3 copies
02:35 🔗 Famicoman pat and I have the rev3 copies
02:36 🔗 godane ok
02:36 🔗 godane i only see the first 2 episodes anyway
02:36 🔗 godane i don't know how many was made
02:37 🔗 Famicoman 3 I think
02:37 🔗 PatC damnit, I keep getting small brown outs >.<
02:38 🔗 PatC I should'a got a dual bay hard drive dock >.<
02:40 🔗 Famicoman I wonder if the episodes on google video are the ones I put there
02:41 🔗 PatC lol
02:42 🔗 Famicoman pat, before iptva was on blip and before it was on stage6, a lot of it was on google video
02:42 🔗 PatC ya
02:52 🔗 SketchCow Jamendo import's been going without a hitch today
02:52 🔗 SketchCow WHAT THE FUCK
02:53 🔗 underscor The gremlins are still on holiday
02:53 🔗 PatC Quick! Install a driver!
03:49 🔗 SketchCow Ah, I found it. I basically had only a small portion of the album things running. Others had finished!
03:49 🔗 SketchCow Let's fix that shit RIGHT away and get up to full steam ahead.
03:52 🔗 SketchCow There we go.
03:54 🔗 underscor hahaha
03:55 🔗 underscor Gah, VM is down again
04:13 🔗 SketchCow Just turned it up to 11
04:19 🔗 chronomex shit, why not 13?
04:25 🔗 underscor or 133 for that matter
04:29 🔗 BlueMax 1337?
04:29 🔗 BlueMax I'll show myself out
04:29 🔗 chronomex k
04:34 🔗 BlueMax Any larger projects lately
04:39 🔗 bsmith093 BlueMax: ive been slowly downloading ff.net for a few hours
04:40 🔗 bsmith093 larger is relative, if u mean larger than the mobil me thing, i havent downloaded that much data in my life up to this point
04:40 🔗 bsmith093 200tb, yeah, good luck with that, SketchCow
04:41 🔗 BlueMax Fair enough lol
04:41 🔗 BlueMax And yeah, what crazy bastard would decide to back up MobileMe
04:42 🔗 balrog where's the link for the mobileme project? xD
04:42 🔗 balrog and is there a page with info on what's backed up and what hasn't?
04:42 🔗 balrog it says here 2%
04:45 🔗 chronomex awesome 2%
04:45 🔗 chronomex that's a fuckpile
04:46 🔗 BlueMax 2% of 200TB...4TB?
04:46 🔗 BlueMax Jeez, we're screwed on that one
04:48 🔗 BlueMax SketchCow: how goes Arcade The Documentary?
04:50 🔗 underscor It's not until June
04:50 🔗 underscor we're kinda waiting until drive prices fall again, hopefully
04:51 🔗 underscor Because the archive is running tight
04:51 🔗 underscor ish
04:53 🔗 BlueMax Heesh'
04:53 🔗 BlueMax Sounds painful
05:04 🔗 SketchCow BlueMax: Positive. Stay positive.
05:04 🔗 BlueMax Yes sir
05:04 🔗 * BlueMax salutes
05:04 🔗 SketchCow Or next speech I give, I use your name
05:04 🔗 SketchCow \o/
05:04 🔗 BlueMax Go ahead, I'd love my name in lights :D
05:04 🔗 underscor :o
05:04 🔗 underscor BlueMax: I know, it's an awesome feeling
05:04 🔗 underscor :D :D :D :D :D
05:05 🔗 BlueMax underscor: I'm still jealous of you :(
05:07 🔗 BlueMax Although you did deserve it
05:07 🔗 BlueMax That system you built was amazing
05:14 🔗 underscor Aw, thanks
05:14 🔗 * BlueMax chucks underscor, chronomex and SketchCow a beer
05:15 🔗 chronomex sweet
05:15 🔗 chronomex redhook?
05:15 🔗 * underscor is under 21
05:15 🔗 underscor Also, you're 16 :P
05:15 🔗 balrog how was the 400TB figure estimated?
05:15 🔗 underscor Possession is 9/10ths of the law
05:15 🔗 balrog BlueMax: remember we have all of 6 months
05:15 🔗 underscor 400?
05:15 🔗 balrog for mobileme/mac.com
05:16 🔗 BlueMax chronomex: whatever you like baby :D
05:16 🔗 BlueMax underscor: I'm 18 :P
05:16 🔗 chronomex <3
05:16 🔗 underscor The estimate is 200, and it's based on http://memac.heroku.com/
05:16 🔗 BlueMax I'm leal here
05:16 🔗 BlueMax *legal
05:16 🔗 underscor BlueMax: Oh, I thought you were younger than me for some reason
05:16 🔗 chronomex BlueMax: you aint sleeping with me, dont call me baby
05:16 🔗 BlueMax underscor: Because I'm immature? :P
05:16 🔗 BlueMax chronomex: Why would I want to :P
05:17 🔗 underscor You ain't be dunking Duncan
05:17 🔗 underscor ba dum tsch
05:17 🔗 chronomex BlueMax: oh dunno, i am kind of attractive
05:17 🔗 balrog lol
05:17 🔗 underscor haha
05:17 🔗 chronomex if I may say so myself ;)
05:17 🔗 underscor ;)
05:17 🔗 underscor well, compared to everyone else in that museum photo
05:17 🔗 chronomex hahahaha
05:17 🔗 chronomex I get haircuts periodically
05:18 🔗 underscor :o
05:18 🔗 underscor God damn it
05:18 🔗 underscor 9 hours to snc 2TB of data
05:18 🔗 underscor THIS IS TAKING TOO LONG
05:18 🔗 * BlueMax slaps underscor
05:18 🔗 chronomex is phat pipe!
05:18 🔗 BlueMax Patience, my son
05:20 🔗 underscor Ot
05:20 🔗 underscor It's over eSATA
05:20 🔗 underscor So it's the limitation of the drives
05:20 🔗 underscor :(
05:21 🔗 SketchCow 19! 19 threads! bwa ha ha.
05:22 🔗 BlueMax lol lol lol
05:22 🔗 underscor 0! 0 threads! bwa ha oh :(
05:23 🔗 chronomex damn. rode way past my stop cos i was trolling irc on my mobile #firstworldproblems
05:23 🔗 underscor hahah
05:23 🔗 * BlueMax is tempted to hurt chronomex for that
05:23 🔗 underscor we're just that awesome
05:23 🔗 chronomex other channel
05:23 🔗 underscor Is australia considered first world?
05:23 🔗 underscor ;D
05:24 🔗 chronomex seattle sure as hell is
05:24 🔗 underscor Yeah, I know that
05:24 🔗 underscor Just poking fun at BlueMax
05:24 🔗 chronomex scanned a few binders today, didnt have time to rsync out of the bw-poor museum before I left
05:24 🔗 BlueMax Australia sucks
05:24 🔗 underscor ooh, cool
05:24 🔗 underscor I
05:25 🔗 underscor I'm bummed I'm so far away, I'd love to help with that project
05:25 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, visited australia.
05:25 🔗 chronomex place has 256kbit symmetric
05:25 🔗 SketchCow Petted the wallabies.
05:25 🔗 BlueMax I followed SketchCow around the whole time
05:25 🔗 BlueMax He didn't see me once :D
05:25 🔗 underscor Ha, did you really?
05:25 🔗 BlueMax Wouldn't you like to know... he he he
05:25 🔗 underscor Oh
05:25 🔗 underscor :P
05:25 🔗 underscor I kinda want to visit Australia
05:25 🔗 BlueMax No you don't
05:25 🔗 BlueMax It's too hot and full of bogans
05:26 🔗 underscor Note
05:26 🔗 chronomex they dont want to hit the "upgrade" button cos it was made free like 3 phone companies ago and they dont want to pay 15 years of back bills
05:26 🔗 underscor "visit"
05:26 🔗 underscor not
05:26 🔗 BlueMax How SketchCow survived is unfathomable
05:26 🔗 underscor "live there"
05:26 🔗 chronomex uhhuh.
05:26 🔗 underscor That would be a lot of back bills
05:26 🔗 underscor I need to find a webos irc client
05:26 🔗 underscor so I can stay plugged in on the road!
05:27 🔗 BlueMax webos?
05:27 🔗 BlueMax You on a HP?
05:27 🔗 BlueMax Or was that a Palm?
05:27 🔗 underscor Touchpad
05:27 🔗 BlueMax Oh you poor, poor bastard
05:27 🔗 BlueMax Here's a hint: Get Android :P
05:28 🔗 BlueMax I just got a Samsung Galaxy S II for Christmas and I'm loving the damn thing
05:28 🔗 BlueMax Waiting for an iControlPad to come in so I can game on it
05:28 🔗 underscor Nah
05:29 🔗 underscor (I have both))
05:29 🔗 underscor I actually like webos more than android
05:29 🔗 underscor The touchpad is a loner from my school
05:29 🔗 BlueMax It likes being by itself?
05:29 🔗 underscor No
05:29 🔗 dnova I've never heard anything bad aboutwebos
05:29 🔗 underscor Oh
05:29 🔗 underscor loaner*
05:29 🔗 BlueMax Or did you mean to say "loaner"
05:29 🔗 underscor :P
05:29 🔗 BlueMax trolol
05:29 🔗 underscor Pedantic ass
05:29 🔗 underscor Webps
05:29 🔗 BlueMax Lucky ass
05:30 🔗 underscor Webos's multitasking model is absolutely wonderful
05:32 🔗 BlueMax I've never played around with webos to be honest
05:32 🔗 BlueMax If I had the opportunity to pick up one of those $99 Touchpads I would have
05:47 🔗 underscor /dev/sdn1 1.9T 338G 1.5T 19% /media/YV_4
05:47 🔗 underscor 20% in 2 hours
05:47 🔗 underscor uggggghhhhhh
05:48 🔗 * BlueMax gives underscor something shiny to play with
05:48 🔗 underscor :o!
05:49 🔗 chronomex 21:28:18 < BlueMax> Here's a hint: Get Android :P
05:49 🔗 chronomex BlueMax: android sucks balls
05:49 🔗 BlueMax chronomex: Does not! :(
05:49 🔗 chronomex does too
05:49 🔗 chronomex I use it, I hate it
05:49 🔗 BlueMax Does not!
05:49 🔗 BlueMax I use it, I love it
05:49 🔗 BlueMax Better than iOS at the very least
05:55 🔗 underscor Guess what I just found from like february
05:55 🔗 underscor I love going though old logs
05:55 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> yeah
05:55 🔗 underscor <underscor> ok
05:55 🔗 underscor <underscor> so just make a dir for myself?
05:55 🔗 underscor * underscor proceeds to upload 6TB of porn
05:55 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> noooooo
05:55 🔗 underscor <underscor> :D
05:55 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> You told me you had 8
05:55 🔗 underscor <underscor> ahahahahaha
05:56 🔗 BlueMax I have 1TB around here somewhere
05:57 🔗 underscor of porn?
05:57 🔗 underscor noice
05:58 🔗 BlueMax I'm surprised everyone doesn't stream porn these days
05:59 🔗 underscor Too expensive
05:59 🔗 underscor Cheaper to torrent it from fux0r
05:59 🔗 BlueMax I guessed I've learnt something today
05:59 🔗 underscor Plus you can't really stream 1080p porn
05:59 🔗 underscor :B
06:00 🔗 BlueMax Why would you want to
06:00 🔗 BlueMax All you can see at that resolution is hair in the ass crack
06:00 🔗 underscor I have asscrackhairophilia
06:00 🔗 underscor Actually, I have a bunch of 1930-1970s stuff that's great
06:01 🔗 chronomex you know those people are like 40 and fat and hairy now
06:02 🔗 BlueMax You still like that type anyway chro
06:02 🔗 BlueMax ...chronomex
06:02 🔗 underscor hahahahhahah
06:02 🔗 BlueMax Fail press
06:02 🔗 underscor chronomex: Actually, they're probably 30 or 35 in these
06:02 🔗 underscor so they're like 60 at least now
06:02 🔗 underscor if they're even alive
06:06 🔗 BlueMax I love how the coin button on MAME4Droid is so small you can barely hit it >_<
06:07 🔗 BlueMax Makes you wonder what porn stars do when their careers end though
06:14 🔗 chronomex heh.
06:16 🔗 chronomex damn. I have to recompress all this shit because archive.org can't take tiled tiffs.
06:26 🔗 SketchCow Aaaa
06:26 🔗 SketchCow Sorry, man.
06:27 🔗 chronomex recompress + reupload
06:27 🔗 chronomex good thing I work at a place that's got 10mbit upstream
06:28 🔗 chronomex figure out how to automate the shit out of it, then let it go all day or something
06:35 🔗 BlueMax 5:29:26 PM - chronomex: figure out how to automate the shit out of it, then let it go all day or something
06:35 🔗 BlueMax I thought that was the ArchiveTeam's second motto
06:36 🔗 chronomex right
06:36 🔗 chronomex my pile-of-tiff handling utilities aren't fully automated, but they're getting closer everytime I have to do something boring like this
06:41 🔗 chronomex gnu parallel is kind of cool
06:41 🔗 chronomex apt-get install moreutils
06:43 🔗 chronomex oh wait, xargs can do that too.
06:45 🔗 SketchCow Down to 5 e-mails!
06:46 🔗 chronomex five!
06:46 🔗 chronomex that is no mean feat
06:46 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, it'll hopefully be less.
06:46 🔗 chronomex I was at 20 some months ago, now I'm back up around 80
06:46 🔗 BlueMax Emails?
06:46 🔗 SketchCow Bear in mind, I have to initiate a couple hundred e-mails for the docs.
06:47 🔗 SketchCow But they'll go into folders and back into folders as I go.
06:48 🔗 chronomex funny, 3 jobs doesn't fill 2 cores.
06:48 🔗 chronomex trying 5 ...
06:49 🔗 chronomex 22:50:23 up 4 days, 10:02, 2 users, load average: 6.93, 5.03, 2.84
06:49 🔗 chronomex shityeah
06:49 🔗 blakdawg SketchCow I would like to get an upload slot for the Mobile Me project
06:51 🔗 chronomex okay, I appear to be IO-limited
06:51 🔗 chronomex .... on image compression.
06:52 🔗 SketchCow NICE
06:52 🔗 chronomex this machine is awesome
06:52 🔗 balrog is there any coordination for the mobileme project?
06:52 🔗 chronomex balrog: memac.heroku.com
06:52 🔗 balrog ok
06:53 🔗 chronomex there's a channel somewhere around here too
06:53 🔗 bsmith093 are there any illegal chars for folder names, in ext4, or subfolder limist>
06:53 🔗 * chronomex fishes around between the irc cushions
06:53 🔗 SketchCow I was at 1.8tb of Jamendo.
06:53 🔗 balrog wow.
06:53 🔗 SketchCow Now, there's 431gb of Jamendo.
06:53 🔗 chronomex bsmith093: '/', '\0' are illegal characters.
06:53 🔗 balrog jamendo is?
06:53 🔗 bsmith093 good for you, isnt that most of it
06:53 🔗 bsmith093 specifically slash zero
06:53 🔗 balrog ahh music
06:53 🔗 balrog ok
06:54 🔗 SketchCow At this point, I'm slamming through the last sets.
06:54 🔗 balrog chronomex: where does this pull data from?
06:54 🔗 chronomex bsmith093: that's null zero character, very rare in most text.
06:54 🔗 SketchCow There's now threads for every remaining mp3, except the last 900 albums.
06:54 🔗 chronomex balrog: it is coordinator and tracker, to which the downloader script talks
06:54 🔗 bsmith093 chronomex: that maske much more sense, thansk
06:54 🔗 SketchCow Mostly because it's better to have them in groups of 1000 slots.
06:54 🔗 balrog ahhhh ok
06:55 🔗 bsmith093 im asking because im auto sorting ffnet epubs by author's name and im wondering if there are any ones that the folder naming will choke on
06:56 🔗 chronomex really only '/'
06:59 🔗 SketchCow I have a new project.
06:59 🔗 SketchCow By the way.
06:59 🔗 SketchCow Whoever wants it. Kid's stuff, almost.
06:59 🔗 BlueMax SketchCow: name it. I want to help. I'm a good kid.
07:00 🔗 SketchCow You are terrible. When the going gets rough you scream like a slug in a salt lick.
07:00 🔗 SketchCow Cute, though.
07:00 🔗 * BlueMax :(
07:01 🔗 bsmith093 SketchCow: whats the project?
07:01 🔗 SketchCow Basic script, maybe perl or python. Given an archive.org item, it downloads it. Given an archive.org collection, it downloads THAT.
07:01 🔗 SketchCow Into folders, with the items.
07:01 🔗 SketchCow Archive.org automated export.
07:01 🔗 SketchCow Time to bite the hand that feeds me!
07:02 🔗 chronomex heh
07:02 🔗 chronomex trust, do not depend
07:02 🔗 SketchCow It's a common criticism - upload to archive.org, but what if something goes wrong.
07:02 🔗 SketchCow So there, here's a way to yank stuff down quickly.
07:02 🔗 bsmith093 check out jdownloader is loces archive.org search pages
07:03 🔗 SketchCow I don't want a plugin. I want a script.
07:03 🔗 SketchCow It's not a hard script.
07:03 🔗 SketchCow archive.org isn't resisting anything.
07:03 🔗 bsmith093 i give it the search url, it grabs all the pages on it, and then loads them, and sees all the formats
07:03 🔗 bsmith093 thats a good base, except its in java :)
07:04 🔗 chronomex ia-sucker cool-item-name --originals-only
07:40 🔗 SketchCow There we go, threads failing here and there.
07:40 🔗 SketchCow Go boyeeeeeee
07:49 🔗 * chronomex dumps shit into the derive queue
07:49 🔗 chronomex DUMP DUMP DUMP
07:50 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: how's the queue these days?
07:51 🔗 chronomex damn, it's full of jason
07:55 🔗 SketchCow Well, that only took 2 weeks of torrenting.
07:55 🔗 SketchCow Now uploading 6.7gb of Galaxy Magazine.
08:01 🔗 SketchCow It IS full of me.
08:01 🔗 SketchCow I'm adding Jamendo on 14 threads or something.
08:02 🔗 SketchCow BRUTAL.
08:03 🔗 SketchCow http://ia700206.us.archive.org/9/items/galaxymagazine-1950-10/Galaxy_1950_10.pdf
08:03 🔗 SketchCow OK quality, no major deal.
08:03 🔗 SketchCow But good to have that last torrent no longer going.
08:03 🔗 SketchCow I'm actually running out of good magazine/publication torrents.
08:03 🔗 SketchCow I think I kind of got them all.
08:04 🔗 SketchCow LOVE surprises though.
08:09 🔗 BlueMax I assume you already have all the major game publications SketchCow
08:09 🔗 SketchCow Everything out of print, in america, somewhat.
08:10 🔗 SketchCow Other countries not so much. And to be honest, I don't see many scans out there.
08:12 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/galaxymagazine
08:14 🔗 BlueMax Oh wow, Fahrenheit 451 originally started in Galaxy?
08:24 🔗 Zebranky SketchCow: It comes to mind, since I've had to search for it before myself: do you have any archives of BYTE Magazine?
08:25 🔗 Zebranky Turns out my school's library did in book format, which was nice, but digitizing those would be cool
08:25 🔗 SketchCow I do
08:25 🔗 SketchCow Byte property's still active.
08:25 🔗 SketchCow Guy's been scanning them, destroying each issue as he goes
08:27 🔗 SketchCow http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/167235-byte-magazine/
08:30 🔗 Zebranky Kickass.
08:32 🔗 SketchCow He and I don't get along over the whole destroy-the-issues thing, but the stuff is OK.
08:33 🔗 Zebranky I'd obviously rather preserve the issues, but so long as the actual information is preserved, I can't bitch about it.
08:34 🔗 SketchCow Yes, people said that in the 1970s with Microfilm.
08:34 🔗 chronomex fuck microfilm
08:34 🔗 chronomex fuck magtape
08:34 🔗 chronomex paper's all right
08:35 🔗 SketchCow "Often seen in preservation channels, chronomex is a bot that hates microfilm."
08:35 🔗 chronomex punchcards and paper tape are ok
08:35 🔗 chronomex I hate small data
08:35 🔗 Zebranky SketchCow: What value do the physical magazines have, beyond the information they contain? Not trying to snark, I'm honestly curious what difference in value you see there.
08:37 🔗 chronomex if it's a xerox, not a lot. things that were designed and produced with care let you get a feel for what the creators thought of their work
08:37 🔗 chronomex have you ever used a book?
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Microscopic analysis of fibers
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Ability to examine binding
08:38 🔗 chronomex smell
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Lack of reliance on terrible scanner technology to capture every page
08:38 🔗 chronomex the finish of the pages
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Information on page weight
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Watermark info
08:38 🔗 SketchCow Verification of page order
08:39 🔗 chronomex letterpress is beautiful if done right
08:39 🔗 SketchCow Acceptance for legal cases especially cases reliant on publication date
08:39 🔗 chronomex there we go
08:39 🔗 SketchCow Availability for further ingention including catscan or other unknown as of yet technologies
08:39 🔗 SketchCow dataloss backup
08:40 🔗 SketchCow Printing ink analysis
08:40 🔗 chronomex printing press forensics
08:40 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, stuff.
08:40 🔗 chronomex nah, that shit doesnt really matter
08:41 🔗 * chronomex gets back to unstapling && scanning
08:42 🔗 SketchCow I do agree that scans are sufficient to discern how much of a douchebat Jerry Pournelle is
08:43 🔗 Zebranky All makes sense. From that selfish perspective of "goddamn, I wish I didn't have to dig up a print archive when looking for a PAL programmer schematic", I'd take destructive digitization now over nondestructive digitization later.
08:44 🔗 Zebranky But obviously nondestructive digitization now is optimal, and the other options are a short-term vs. long-term tradeoff.
08:47 🔗 chronomex nondestructive digitization is a moral imperative.
08:48 🔗 chronomex nondestructive digitization is more difficult and more expensive for many types of media
08:50 🔗 chronomex here's an aside: i've heard that in general, when the national archives has an item falling apart, they do a maximum-fidelity copy and then destroy the original in order to obviate questions of which is authoritative
08:50 🔗 chronomex but nobody likes it
08:51 🔗 chronomex it is a wrong made apparently necessary for legal reasons
08:52 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, I'd never last there.
08:52 🔗 chronomex nooo.....
08:52 🔗 SketchCow I have a better one.
08:52 🔗 SketchCow As you know, I got my hands in a lot of places, lot of scuttlebutt.
08:53 🔗 DFJustin here have some czech magazines http://www.stahovaniezasms.sk/casopis-elektron-hq_526801
08:53 🔗 chronomex I kind of like "nondestructive digitization is a moral imperative."
08:53 🔗 SketchCow There are a number of organizations, big big ones, ones known to be in the preseve biz.
08:53 🔗 chronomex name names
08:53 🔗 SketchCow And the direct attitude about internet archive is it's a blip, a fad, a short-term dream of a maniac.
08:53 🔗 SketchCow So they're idly sitting by, not buying in, waiting for the day they have to stop by and pick up the pieces.
08:54 🔗 SketchCow Not allowed.
08:55 🔗 SketchCow I like keeping the infoz coming.
08:55 🔗 chronomex ok, so, like, everyone not listed on donors page
08:55 🔗 SketchCow ha ha
08:55 🔗 SketchCow Good technique
08:55 🔗 SketchCow So, like, Patrick Stewart
08:55 🔗 SketchCow you'll nevah get a daaame from me, you flash in the panss
08:56 🔗 chronomex the star trek actor guy?
08:56 🔗 SketchCow Yeah
08:56 🔗 chronomex dinnae ken he was into pres
08:58 🔗 SketchCow He's not.
08:58 🔗 SketchCow I'm making stuff up in that small case.
08:58 🔗 SketchCow 42,843 albums of Jamendo up now.
08:59 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Agalaxymagazine&sort=-publicdate
08:59 🔗 SketchCow Hooray, there they go.
09:03 🔗 SketchCow Beat up little issues, sometimes. But okay for now.
09:03 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/galaxymagazine
09:03 🔗 SketchCow Hope they weren't destroyed!
09:06 🔗 Nemo_bis Can an out of print 20 years old book of a living author published by a closed publisher be put on IA?
09:08 🔗 Schbirid yes but in violation of copyright
09:10 🔗 Nemo_bis there's a lot of copyvio on IA :)
09:12 🔗 chronomex don't break the law
09:12 🔗 chronomex if you do break the law, don't pull others into it
09:12 🔗 chronomex if you do pull others in, don't make them know it
09:13 🔗 SketchCow I bought a new microphone.
09:13 🔗 SketchCow Studio Products LSM
09:13 🔗 SketchCow USB mic, but get this... also does XLR
09:13 🔗 chronomex weird, but good
09:14 🔗 SketchCow http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/674633-REG/Studio_Projects_LSM_BLACK_LSM_Large_Diaphragm_Condenser.html
09:15 🔗 SketchCow I'm recording a podcast tomorrow.
09:15 🔗 SketchCow Or, I should say, assembling a two-part 40 minute soundscape.
09:15 🔗 SketchCow using.... jamendo music, voicemail, and other audio artifacts
09:16 🔗 SketchCow Getting paid for it. Not for the music, of course, CC-NC that it is. I'm getting paid to talk about it.
09:18 🔗 bsmith093 links when it goes live?
09:18 🔗 SketchCow I assume so.
09:18 🔗 SketchCow Hey, is 28c3 already up again?
09:19 🔗 SketchCow I just found out they've ALREADY GOT TALKS UP ON YOUTUBE, which is CRAZY
09:19 🔗 chronomex defcon just announced the same today
09:19 🔗 chronomex for their conference in AUGUST
09:24 🔗 Schbirid be aware that those are streamdumps, not the official releases
09:24 🔗 Schbirid those will be released later
09:24 🔗 Schbirid so, no need to archive the current videos
09:24 🔗 Schbirid there is usually a mirror network of stream dumps
09:25 🔗 Schbirid official ones will be at http://ftp.ccc.de/congress/28c3/
09:28 🔗 SketchCow Exactly.
09:28 🔗 SketchCow But I'm still amazed!
09:28 🔗 bsmith093 Schbirid: whats the diff between 28c3 and 28C3 they're both valid dirs
09:28 🔗 bsmith093 appear to be dupes, but why?
09:28 🔗 SketchCow Also, I just verified, I have something like 3 hours of phreaking voicemails and phone conferences.
09:28 🔗 SketchCow From 1984 up through 2005
09:29 🔗 chronomex 3 hours!
09:29 🔗 SketchCow Since they're asking me to make a 40 minute sound collage, I'm feeling pretty good.
09:29 🔗 chronomex that can't be right
09:29 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, audio.textfiles.com/conferences
09:29 🔗 SketchCow I need to clean that directory up, finally.
09:29 🔗 chronomex wasn't confcon much longer than that?
09:29 🔗 chronomex it was a whole afternoon
09:30 🔗 chronomex at least
09:30 🔗 SketchCow Not counting confcon
09:30 🔗 SketchCow I mean, like, the old style
09:30 🔗 chronomex oh
09:30 🔗 SketchCow Confcon is essentially a recorded hacker con.
09:30 🔗 SketchCow It had a schedule and a setup
09:30 🔗 chronomex ok fine
09:31 🔗 chronomex traditional confs, the anarchy kind
09:31 🔗 chronomex they still happen regularly on the telephreak voice bridge
09:31 🔗 bsmith093 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyNmUmmQ0kI
09:33 🔗 bsmith093 there' a talk you gave, Jason, where the audio, through no fault of yours, is just atrocious. sailing the seas of computer history, piracy
09:40 🔗 SketchCow That must be the shmoocon one.
09:41 🔗 SketchCow There's one called You're Stealing it Wrong that's great.
09:48 🔗 chronomex oh man
09:48 🔗 chronomex this assembly code is so old that they say "pop" the stack statewrd including the scare quotes
09:49 🔗 chronomex or maybe they were just too buttondown for that shit
09:56 🔗 bsmith093 SketchCow: ive got all your talks saved, and frankly, the audio quality is all over the map
09:56 🔗 bsmith093 probably not your fault, but still...
09:59 🔗 SketchCow Where does "but still" get into it?
09:59 🔗 SketchCow You were raped going to your college classes. I mean, not your fault, but still...
09:59 🔗 SketchCow You have a tumor in your neck. Not your fault, but still...
10:00 🔗 SketchCow The language doesn't even scan.
10:00 🔗 SketchCow And now, bed!
10:00 🔗 chronomex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_My_Bitch_Up
10:33 🔗 bsmith093 ummm yeah dont know what i was thinking typing that, my bad
10:43 🔗 Schbirid bsmith093: prolly symlinks for compatibility and historic urls
14:58 🔗 underscor Nemo_bis: Rule number one of potential copy vio
14:58 🔗 underscor Don't discuss said potential.
14:58 🔗 Nemo_bis :)
14:58 🔗 Nemo_bis I don't want to upload things IA is not interested in
15:02 🔗 underscor IA is interested in all the things
15:32 🔗 Coderjoe http://i.imgur.com/Kl4qj.png
16:42 🔗 underscor Coderjoe: That's awesome
16:48 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/galaxymagazine
16:49 🔗 PatC Morning everyone
17:08 🔗 sundown hi, task of archiving youtube is... not feasible
17:08 🔗 sundown but what of a youtube index?
17:13 🔗 Schbirid Nemo_bis: at some point in the future the copyright will expire and then the copy is a free and legal artifact :)
17:48 🔗 SketchCow OK, back up.
18:18 🔗 ersi I usually save what I watch from Youtube
19:08 🔗 jstarek Hi everyone, I'm looking for someone who can help with a new project proposal... are any of you active right now?
19:11 🔗 chronomex maybe ... what do you have in mind?
19:11 🔗 chronomex im on my phone on the bus to work, fwiw
19:12 🔗 jstarek @chronomex OK, I'll try to make this quick then :-)
19:13 🔗 chronomex no rush
19:14 🔗 jstarek I've already mailed Jason Scott about archiving amateur radio BBSes. There's a system called packet radio that evolved rather parallel with phone based BBSes. He was interested, so I'm now trying to figure out whether to create a project on the archive team wiki or just prepare as much data as I can and ship it to you
19:14 🔗 chronomex will be sitting here for another 20 minutes anyway
19:14 🔗 jstarek ok
19:14 🔗 chronomex hmmmm.
19:14 🔗 chronomex that sounds like a Jason Scott project more than an Archiveteam project
19:15 🔗 jstarek I mean, it seems like there are quite a few dormant projects in the wiki, so I assume you don't really have all that much manpower... so I thought I'd try to make it as easy as possible for you
19:15 🔗 jstarek oh, ok :-)
19:16 🔗 chronomex sounds good, though
19:16 🔗 jstarek Would it need to be more Internet-related to become an Archive Team project?
19:18 🔗 chronomex archiveteam focuses on things that are, um, actively popular
19:18 🔗 chronomex and major contributors to culture
19:20 🔗 jstarek ah, I see. So I suppose I'd better organize the data collection myself, then, and just send the collection to Jason Scott in person?
19:20 🔗 SketchCow Jason Scott projects are awesome.
19:21 🔗 chronomex ...
19:21 🔗 SketchCow Hi, dude, Jason Scott.
19:21 🔗 jstarek (wouldn't be too much trouble for me, I'm just asking for "proper protocol" reasons)
19:21 🔗 SketchCow chronomex is right - you're assembling a nice package for me to then get into archives both personal and at the main internet archive.
19:21 🔗 jstarek ah, hi :-)
19:22 🔗 chronomex *schlurp*
19:22 🔗 SketchCow If you found a wealth of data, too much for one person to possibly handle, then a team might be needed, ESPECIALLY if in danger.
19:22 🔗 SketchCow But this sounds cool
19:22 🔗 SketchCow I'm now negotiating the possible mirroring of github.
19:22 🔗 SketchCow That will need some people.
19:22 🔗 jstarek Alright, I'll start asking around on my own, then, until I hit a wall
19:22 🔗 chronomex o_o
19:23 🔗 SketchCow You can certainly point out it's going to a non profit archive with plenty of space.
19:23 🔗 SketchCow If that helps someone be convinced to help contribute.
19:25 🔗 jstarek I don't think that'll be a problem because packet radio has always been completely open and contents have always been public (due to ham radio licensing laws). The only thing I worry is whether the archive will be properly readable without BBS software to sort stuff into categories and so on, but I'll figure that out. Thanks for your input so far!
19:25 🔗 jstarek (and have fun with GitHub, that looks like a challenge :-))
19:25 🔗 sundown are there unofficial versions of wget with more features?
19:25 🔗 sundown it has a lot of deficiencies
19:25 🔗 chronomex like what?
19:25 🔗 jstarek I had to mirror a large part of SourceForge for my diploma thesis, that was... interesting
19:26 🔗 sundown no gzip support, no parallel requests
19:26 🔗 sundown url filters are limited
19:26 🔗 sundown wget+ would be cool
19:26 🔗 chronomex I don't know of a wget patch repository
19:26 🔗 chronomex you're certainly free to make your own spider though
19:27 🔗 chronomex that could be useful
19:28 🔗 jstarek @sundown I also don't know of other versions (perhaps curl does some of this out of the box, but I don't really use that), but you can get gzipped pages like this: http://bit.ly/rQtMhv
19:30 🔗 sundown yeah im aware that you can pipe it to decompress utils
19:30 🔗 sundown but recursion wont work
19:30 🔗 jstarek oh, I see
19:31 🔗 sundown curl also lacks recursion
20:00 🔗 underscor <SketchCow> I'm now negotiating the possible mirroring of github.
20:00 🔗 underscor Woah, really?!
20:36 🔗 godane underscor: reading archiveteam.org wiki page on github said that 523785 of public repos are forks
20:36 🔗 underscor wow
20:37 🔗 godane are we going to turn the forks into branchs
20:37 🔗 kennethre underscor: what for? (github mirroring)
20:37 🔗 godane only cause it said it would save space
20:38 🔗 kennethre I'm good friends with almost everyone that works there
20:38 🔗 underscor I dunno, it was just something SketchCow said he was interested in
20:38 🔗 kennethre if any type of discussion with them would help
20:38 🔗 kennethre i think a backup of github would be epic
20:38 🔗 underscor Ask them if they'll just mail us an HD
20:38 🔗 underscor :B
20:40 🔗 kennethre forks shouldn't be branches though
20:40 🔗 kennethre forks don't even have to remotely related to eachother
20:40 🔗 godane thats what i thought
20:40 🔗 kennethre though 95% of the time they are
20:41 🔗 Schbirid talk about ipad and chromebook drm and security on 28c3 saal 1 soon
20:41 🔗 underscor What is a saal?
20:42 🔗 Schbirid room
20:42 🔗 Schbirid http://28c3.fem-net.de/
20:42 🔗 Schbirid ignore the wrapped guy on stage rigt now ;)
21:04 🔗 chronomex heh
21:34 🔗 chronomex upload upload upload
21:46 🔗 chronomex this shit's important: http://www.archive.org/details/KICU_20101122_140000_Cindy_Crawfords_Skin_Secrets
21:47 🔗 balrog LOL
22:02 🔗 godane how does a paid programing get on archive.org?
22:02 🔗 godane maybe we should have a paid programming archive.org
22:02 🔗 Schbirid what do you mean?
22:03 🔗 godane i mean put it in a sub collection in tv archive
22:03 🔗 SketchCow archive.org has been archiving television, aggressively, since 1996
22:05 🔗 Soojin aw cindy is gone
22:05 🔗 Schbirid what does "paid programming" mean?
22:06 🔗 godane i'm backing up glenn beck off of archive.org
22:07 🔗 godane burning it to dvd
22:07 🔗 godane Also i have 60 episodes of systm backed up
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