#archiveteam 2012-04-11,Wed

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00:32 🔗 SketchCow hahahaha
00:32 🔗 SketchCow Just found a tiny cache of friendster.
00:32 🔗 SketchCow 1.7 Terabytes
00:32 🔗 SketchCow TINY CACHE
00:32 🔗 SketchCow A LITTLE PILE IN THE CORNER
00:33 🔗 * chronomex gets the broom
00:41 🔗 SketchCow I will need help soon
00:43 🔗 frame_at more brooms?
00:46 🔗 SketchCow Specifically Berlios and Splinder, but likely others.
00:46 🔗 SketchCow I have to start setting them up to be uploaded, and soon.
00:46 🔗 underscor alard: ping
00:57 🔗 oli hi
01:00 🔗 oli underscor: see my cmoment eralry
01:00 🔗 oli comment earlier
01:02 🔗 underscor which?
01:02 🔗 oli i got a euro bank account
01:02 🔗 oli so can get euserv sometime maybe :p
01:02 🔗 oli would only do it with a few people who wanted to share though and pay paypal i think
01:02 🔗 underscor oh okay, awesome!
01:02 🔗 underscor yeah, that'd be p cool
01:02 🔗 oli you'd be interested?
01:02 🔗 underscor yeah
01:03 🔗 underscor not for a month or so though
01:03 🔗 oli and in case i hadnt mentioned i speak german so no probs there :)
01:03 🔗 underscor as I don't have cash inflow at the moment
01:04 🔗 oli the two boxes i got from server4you are pretty good
01:04 🔗 underscor that's cool
01:04 🔗 oli been maxing the 100mbit on each since i got them basiaclly
01:04 🔗 underscor hahaha
01:04 🔗 underscor nice!
01:06 🔗 oli wonder if you can upgrade those Filer boxes eaily
01:06 🔗 oli e.g. if you start at lower one you can slowly add more hds
01:06 🔗 oli im guessing its not easy cause the higher ones have 3ware controllers
01:06 🔗 underscor yeah, prolly not
01:07 🔗 underscor they might let you swap the system disks though
01:07 🔗 oli yeah that shouldnt cause dramas really, but later if you go from one without 3ware controller to one with it
01:07 🔗 oli then there'd be the hiccup
01:07 🔗 oli that said by the time you get to that level they could just deploy a new one, migrate all across, cancel old one
01:08 🔗 oli lol another gigabit port is 10 euro per month
01:09 🔗 oli on the filer m giga
01:09 🔗 oli er, filer l giga i meant
01:10 🔗 filer my ears are burning
01:11 🔗 godane SketchCow: i found out you have maximum cds from 1999
01:11 🔗 godane but i can't find them on your cd.textfiles.com
01:18 🔗 SketchCow cd occasionally lags now.
01:19 🔗 godane also i did found torrents for maximum cds but most are dead (no seeds)
01:20 🔗 godane one of them works though
01:21 🔗 DFJustin sweet
01:21 🔗 godane its a special issue from summer of 2007
01:21 🔗 godane the cd i mean
01:22 🔗 godane wait its 2010
01:22 🔗 godane there was one torrent with 9.2gb of maximum cds but saidly thats dead
02:15 🔗 underscor Why you should not let underscor have your boxen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/230717/otherstuff/Screen%20Shot%202012-04-10%20at%208.43.01%20PM.png
02:15 🔗 underscor :D
02:15 🔗 underscor (it's fully condoned)
02:19 🔗 * yipdw bans underscor from all projects
02:20 🔗 yipdw an equally precipitous drop!
02:23 🔗 SketchCow So, what the fuck happened from proust?
02:23 🔗 SketchCow No clear marking it's going away now.
02:23 🔗 SketchCow I mean, fuck'em, we're putting up the download.
02:24 🔗 SketchCow But I can't find a cite
02:30 🔗 winr4r http://www.proust.com/story/proustfuckedyou
02:30 🔗 winr4r haha i actually love you dude
02:35 🔗 winr4r but that's weird, allthingsd reported it staying up and it's like "oh yeah it's not shutting down btw" WHERE DID THAT COME FROM
02:35 🔗 underscor yipdw: :D
02:35 🔗 frame_at huh, proust is still alive?
02:36 🔗 chronomex FOR NOW
02:36 🔗 frame_at *cue, dramatic music*
02:37 🔗 frame_at Proust only got 1k Facebook likes.
02:37 🔗 frame_at No wonder they are in trouble
02:37 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: the best reference I could find is http://allthingsd.com/20120131/proust-will-live-on-separate-from-iac/
02:37 🔗 yipdw I never got the email, though
02:37 🔗 SketchCow Ah hah
02:38 🔗 frame_at it's run by anonymous! oh hehhe
02:41 🔗 frame_at I've never really looked at Proud. That's quite a complex website.
02:41 🔗 frame_at *proust
02:43 🔗 yipdw frame_at: luckily, it seems to have been developed by people who tried to adhere to progressive enhancement principles
02:43 🔗 yipdw archiving it was actually pretty easy
02:43 🔗 yipdw well, the main profiles, anyway
02:43 🔗 yipdw if you wget (wgot?) the CSS, Javascript, and HTML, you could recreate it in stages or pretty much anywhere else
02:44 🔗 frame_at the whole sites gives me the creeps.
02:44 🔗 frame_at well, the contents
02:45 🔗 frame_at all those private questions... facebook is a monk in comparison.
02:47 🔗 oli what'll we do when people get bored of facebook and we need to archive the site? :P
02:47 🔗 frame_at haha they really cover all typical "secret questions" from big sites.
02:48 🔗 frame_at what's your favorite food when you were a kid, etc :)
02:49 🔗 godane i'm uploading my pc advisor archive cd
02:49 🔗 godane it has issues from 2002 to 2004 of pc advisor
02:50 🔗 godane but looks like it only works if you use there software
02:50 🔗 godane cause the pdf issues are broken up
02:50 🔗 chronomex excellent.
02:51 🔗 godane i have a lot of cds/dvds i have upload
02:52 🔗 godane with this one i also have a scan image of the cd
02:55 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/mp3com-skeleton
02:55 🔗 SketchCow Any of you that are smart and have the space should immediately grab that.
02:55 🔗 SketchCow (10gb)
02:57 🔗 oli ahha mp3.com i remember that site
02:57 🔗 * oli downloads
02:58 🔗 SketchCow It is very raw. It needs a lot of love.
02:58 🔗 SketchCow But I want to have it captured.
02:58 🔗 oli I am grabbing it now
03:00 🔗 underscor same
03:00 🔗 oli needs MOAR bandwidth
03:00 🔗 underscor replicating to different locations >.>
03:00 🔗 oli same here underscor :P
03:00 🔗 underscor hah
03:00 🔗 underscor I'm pushing 185mbps to batcave atm >:D
03:01 🔗 SketchCow By different locations, I do NOT mean to batcave or an archive.org machine
03:01 🔗 underscor of course
03:01 🔗 oli rofl
03:01 🔗 underscor the 185mbps to batcave is s3 traffic
03:01 🔗 SketchCow What, mobileme?
03:01 🔗 underscor yeah
03:01 🔗 SketchCow We really really have to stop using batcave for this.
03:02 🔗 SketchCow I'm trying to take batcave down.
03:02 🔗 SketchCow I'd rather we track down The Thing That Sucks
03:02 🔗 underscor yeah
03:02 🔗 underscor it's weird that proxying through batcave fixes it
03:02 🔗 underscor Although these boxen are on ISC, so it seems to behave fine not-proxied too
03:02 🔗 oli what is batcave? one of your boxes at archive.org ?
03:03 🔗 oli what's ISC
03:03 🔗 underscor (I just need to figure out how to change it with alard)
03:03 🔗 underscor batcave.textfiles.com = teamarchive-0.us.archive.org
03:03 🔗 underscor It's one of Jason's machines at IA
03:03 🔗 underscor ISC is a peering consortium
03:03 🔗 oli k cool
03:03 🔗 underscor Sorta like a non-profit hurricane electric or nlayer
03:14 🔗 underscor alard kennethre: are all the users downloaded using seesaw-s3 marked in a big batch at the end?
03:14 🔗 underscor just wondering cause I don't see any on the dashboard as they finish in the terminal
03:14 🔗 oli where's the link to that seesaw-s3 stats page? :/
03:14 🔗 underscor http://memac-tamer.heroku.com/
03:15 🔗 underscor that?
03:15 🔗 oli thanks, that's it
03:15 🔗 kennethre underscor: it uploads the names once they're successful
03:15 🔗 underscor ah ok
03:15 🔗 underscor thanks!
03:15 🔗 kennethre the "batch" of 5 or 10GB
03:15 🔗 kennethre np :)
03:16 🔗 oli i'll be devastated if i cant get ahead of underscor
03:17 🔗 underscor oli: <3
03:17 🔗 oli im too lazy to go get coke from the fridge so i just opened the window behind me and have the bottle on the window sill
03:18 🔗 oli since its 4c outside anyway, about the same as the fridge
03:18 🔗 oli problem is now the window is open so its getting kind of cold in ehere
03:18 🔗 oli *first world problems*
03:18 🔗 underscor lol
03:18 🔗 underscor where: &w_identifier=archiveteam-mobileme-hero* | size: 62,193,803,965 KB
03:18 🔗 underscor good job guys
03:18 🔗 underscor :D
03:47 🔗 SketchCow > x-archive-meta-title:Archive Team: The SOPA World Tour
03:50 🔗 yipdw I guess we'll need another one for CISPA
03:51 🔗 SketchCow VAST majority of uploads to fos are oli
03:51 🔗 SketchCow Oli NEEDS to get onto direct s3
03:51 🔗 godane SketchCow: I just emailed you
03:52 🔗 SketchCow OH BOY
03:52 🔗 * SketchCow stops everything
03:52 🔗 * SketchCow chucks the ballast out of the ballooon
03:52 🔗 * SketchCow calls the press
03:52 🔗 godane at least i email you
03:52 🔗 SketchCow And then tell me on here you mailed me
04:02 🔗 oli ok
04:02 🔗 oli hang on
04:03 🔗 oli godane: ?
04:03 🔗 godane hey
04:03 🔗 oli hi :)
04:04 🔗 oli emailed me?
04:04 🔗 oli SketchCow: just STOP'd mine will switch it over as they end
04:05 🔗 godane email you for what?
04:05 🔗 oli 13:21:35 <godane> at least i email you
04:05 🔗 godane ok
04:05 🔗 godane slitazemulator <at> gmail.com
04:05 🔗 oli sorry are you asking me to email you? what for? hehe
04:06 🔗 godane try slaxemulator <at> gmail.com
04:06 🔗 SketchCow No, I meant godane.
04:06 🔗 SketchCow oli: swap over as you can, it will be appreciated.
04:07 🔗 oli ok
04:07 🔗 SketchCow FOS is really for small fry who aren't shooting for the moon.
04:07 🔗 oli hmm im getting errors anyway
04:08 🔗 oli you know me, always shooting for the moon :p
04:10 🔗 underscor haha
04:18 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-sopa-world-tour
04:18 🔗 SketchCow That was awesome work.
04:20 🔗 balrog_ SketchCow: it would be nice if Archive Team did this for the yearly april fools jokes.
04:22 🔗 oli haha that is great
04:22 🔗 oli 13.6GB of anti SOPA pages
04:22 🔗 oli amazing
04:47 🔗 yipdw oh
04:47 🔗 yipdw I remember getting those
04:48 🔗 yipdw I tried to find pro-SOPA articles that were not written by Chris Dodd
04:48 🔗 yipdw I can't remember if I succeeded
04:48 🔗 yipdw that or there just weren't any
04:49 🔗 yipdw also: "Santorum pulls out after consistently coming in number two"
04:49 🔗 yipdw I am juvenile, so find that hilarious
04:49 🔗 chronomex hahahahahaha
04:49 🔗 chronomex nice
04:58 🔗 nitro2k01 Oh wow
05:05 🔗 nitro2k01 http://www.codinghorror.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0167648b3804970b-800wi <- Fucking server racks!
05:13 🔗 oli SketchCow: if i download stuff like that mp3com thing what's the best way to help/make it available etc?
05:13 🔗 oli apart from just storing it on my drives :P
06:02 🔗 SketchCow 4.6T .
06:02 🔗 SketchCow MOBILEME-SETS# du -sh .
06:02 🔗 SketchCow Niiiice
06:07 🔗 oli :o
06:09 🔗 DFJustin what, is that all
06:13 🔗 SketchCow That's all I've found SO FAR
06:14 🔗 ersi oh boy
06:14 🔗 * ersi shrugs
06:46 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, what about splinder?
06:47 🔗 Nemo_bis http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Splinder was incomplete so we don't know if everyone uploaded everything
07:10 🔗 chronomex I still have some splinder, I think
07:11 🔗 dnova hey. you should upload that.
07:11 🔗 chronomex okay. what's the proper thing to give to upload-finished.sh ?
07:12 🔗 dnova what do you mean
07:12 🔗 chronomex $ ./upload-finished.sh chronomex
07:12 🔗 chronomex chronomex does not look like a proper rsync destination.
07:12 🔗 chronomex Usage: ./upload-finished.sh [dest] [bwlimit]
07:12 🔗 dnova whatever the download script downloaded is what it expects
07:12 🔗 chronomex remind me what I give it for <dest>
07:12 🔗 dnova oh... ehhh, I think you have to ask sketchcow
07:15 🔗 dnova don't know if anyone remembers, but 3dporch.com was archived by us because the owner threatened shutdown due to costs
07:15 🔗 dnova he was so flattered that we wanted a copy of his site that he kept it going
07:15 🔗 dnova and it's still going today
07:17 🔗 chronomex haha, I remember 3dporch
07:19 🔗 SketchCow Yes
07:25 🔗 Nemo_bis chronomex, batcave.texfiles.com::chronomex/splinder/
07:25 🔗 Nemo_bis if that's your slot name
07:25 🔗 chronomex sweet, ok
07:26 🔗 chronomex oh dear, "name or service not known"
07:27 🔗 ivan` godane: you might want to write par2 files to your DVDs instead of md5sums, that way you'll be able to recover it if it bitrots slightly
07:27 🔗 chronomex sensible
07:28 🔗 chronomex hey SketchCow, do I have a slot on batcave?
07:29 🔗 SketchCow I hope not
07:29 🔗 SketchCow Nobody should
07:29 🔗 Nemo_bis oh, right
07:29 🔗 Nemo_bis so where should one upload splinder now?
07:30 🔗 chronomex exactly
07:31 🔗 ersi One does not simply upload into batcave
07:34 🔗 Coderjoe chronomex: there was also a typo
07:34 🔗 chronomex oh hah
07:39 🔗 godane ivan`: how do i do that?
07:40 🔗 ivan` godane: I use QuickPar on Windows, and there is par2cmdline and many optimized forks
07:40 🔗 godane i have par2 cmdline
07:40 🔗 godane i'm on linux
07:41 🔗 ivan` something like: par2 c -r10 filename filename
07:55 🔗 Coderjoe see: par2 --help
08:12 🔗 oli anyone here experienced with bind? i have two ns setup and the slave is responding to requests but the master is not
08:12 🔗 oli not sure how to diagnose it, it appears to be running but dnstop shows nothing
09:57 🔗 alard oli: Is your wget-warc compiled with gzip support? The mobileme files you're uploading have non-gzipped warcs.
10:00 🔗 ersi wuh woh
10:22 🔗 oli alard: no idea, i just used the thing that came with the git package
10:22 🔗 oli just followed hte steps there :/
10:23 🔗 alard You probably didn't apt-get install zlib1g-dev ? (One of the other 'essential' development tools. :)
10:24 🔗 oli i did yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' before
10:25 🔗 alard Perhaps try yum install zlib-devel ?
10:26 🔗 alard (I thought you were using apt-get.)
10:26 🔗 oli zlib-devel was not installed and i am installing it now
10:27 🔗 alard Ah, great. If you recompile wget-warc and swap it for the current version it should probably work.
10:27 🔗 alard It's a bit more efficient than uncompressed warcs.
10:27 🔗 oli you msg'd me that command for the seesaw s3 script
10:27 🔗 oli how many threads of that should i run?
10:28 🔗 oli 100mbit link
10:28 🔗 oli and i need to duplicate the directory after re-running the compile now for each thread, right?
10:28 🔗 alard Yes, but you can just copy or symlink the files.
10:29 🔗 alard A seesaw-s3 script is equal to one seesaw script, it's downloading one file at a time. So you can run a few. (Just keep in mind that each instance needs a bit of disk space.)
10:29 🔗 oli what like ln -s mobileme m1 then m2 etc ... ?
10:30 🔗 oli ls -alrt
10:30 🔗 alard No, the files themselves. ln -s wget-warc
10:30 🔗 oli er wrong window
10:31 🔗 alard Each seesaw-s3 should be running in a separate directory, because they can't share a data/ directory.
10:31 🔗 oli sorry i dont follow, im in a dir and have mobileme-grab, then inside it is the stuff i compiled
10:32 🔗 alard The easiest way is to copy the mobileme-grab dir.
10:32 🔗 oli how can i check if this new wget-warc hsa zlib installed, just recompiled it after doing the yum install zlib-0devel and im guessing that's ok, but wouldnthurt to be sure :p
10:32 🔗 alard And then you run one seesaw-s3 in each mobileme-grab-# directory.
10:33 🔗 alard ./wget-warc --warc-file=test http://www.archiveteam.org/
10:33 🔗 oli yes ok, and how many threads you suggest
10:33 🔗 alard It should make a .warc.gz
10:33 🔗 alard 10? 20?
10:34 🔗 alard I think 10 is enough.
10:34 🔗 oli lame, it didnt compress it: [oli@falcon m1]$ file test.warc
10:34 🔗 oli test.warc: WARC Archive version 1.0\015
10:34 🔗 oli oh hangon
10:37 🔗 oli test.warc.gz: gzip compressed data, extra field, from Unix
10:37 🔗 oli much better :)
10:42 🔗 oli thx alar you are hte man
10:46 🔗 alard oli: Thanks for adding the gzip.
10:47 🔗 alard If you haven't started copying the scripts: I'm working on a small update that will allow multiple seesaw-s3's to run in the same directory.
10:47 🔗 oli ive started it on one system but i will wait to do it on the other one till you have completed that small update, just let me know when its done please :)
10:54 🔗 alard oli: Okay, done. Here's how to run it:
10:54 🔗 alard 1. git pull to get the latest versions
10:55 🔗 alard 2. Run DATA_DIR=data-$N ./seesaw-repeat.sh $youralias $accesskey $secret , where the alias, accesskey and secret are what you already have, and $N is the number of the instance.
10:56 🔗 alard eg. DATA_DIR=data-1 ./seesaw-repeat.sh ... ; DATA_DIR=data-2 ./seesaw-repeat.sh ....
10:57 🔗 oli ok cool, interent connection is fucked here at the moment
14:27 🔗 Nemo_bis "WikiTeam is the Archive Team subcommittee on wikis"
14:28 🔗 Nemo_bis subcommittee, really? :-O
15:07 🔗 GrantStav https://www.societyinforisk.org/content/sira-monthly-webinar-4122012-17-gmt12-est9-pst-caroline-wong-security-metrics-risk-and-compl
15:07 🔗 GrantStav oops wrong channel :)
15:10 🔗 emijrp what is that
15:11 🔗 GrantStav nothing worth clicking on, I assure you
15:11 🔗 emijrp clicked
15:11 🔗 GrantStav doh!
15:11 🔗 emijrp who is that chinese womenz
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15:19 🔗 closure keen-o
15:46 🔗 frame_at SketchCow: Didn't you link a picture with a truckload of portable harddisks a few days ago?
15:49 🔗 DFJustin http://home.us.archive.org/~edward/unloading_truck/
15:49 🔗 frame_at thanks, that's it.
17:38 🔗 SketchCow Emergency Download, who wants it:
17:38 🔗 SketchCow Hi,
17:38 🔗 SketchCow Some of you have probably heard this already, but Digiplay Initiative and
17:38 🔗 SketchCow its valuable Bibliography of game studies (http://digiplay.info/search) will
17:38 🔗 SketchCow be closing down any day now. Dr Jason Rutter who has been doing all the hard
17:38 🔗 SketchCow work is moving on, he's not working for academia anymore and Jase has
17:38 🔗 SketchCow announced that the Digiplay domain will soon be replaced by a link to his
17:38 🔗 SketchCow new project (http://vintagetwists.co.uk/). The registered users can still
17:38 🔗 SketchCow today download the database (of more than 3000 references) in a variety of
17:38 🔗 SketchCow formats (BibText, Tagged, XML).
17:38 🔗 SketchCow Since I am sure many of us will be missing this kind of interdisciplinary
17:38 🔗 SketchCow source of publication data in our work, it would be great to see someone
17:38 🔗 SketchCow else taking up the torch, and build a new initiative, preferably utilizing
17:38 🔗 SketchCow the data from Digiplay. It has been possible for author's to add their work
17:44 🔗 emijrp it is only a bunch of links
17:44 🔗 emijrp the articles are on external sites
17:44 🔗 emijrp download this http://digiplay.info/node/447 from 1 to 9999
17:45 🔗 emijrp it is probably in the wayback machine
17:50 🔗 SketchCow Well, I didn't think it was difficult, I just have to sit here cleaning up mobileme uploads.
17:50 🔗 SketchCow Also, emijrp, when you have time, I'd like suggestions of anti-spam tools we can re-add that are compatible with this version of mediawiki.
17:50 🔗 SketchCow Right now new user adds are disabled, because we just had the dogs of rape loosed
17:52 🔗 frame_at "Modern dressing with vintage style" is the new project of Dr. Jason Rutter?
17:52 🔗 frame_at that sounds like some late april joke.
17:55 🔗 emijrp SketchCow: use this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha enablig this on localsettings.php $wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;
17:58 🔗 SketchCow Thank you, I'll do it, hopefully today
17:58 🔗 emijrp add a Cap. Obvious question, bots are stupid for questions
18:00 🔗 mistym SketchCow: I have to admit, some of that spam was so ridiculously absurd I'll kind of miss getting articles about "Potent Love Spells" or "Advantages of Having Additional Information About Jogos Da Polly Pocket" in my rss
18:01 🔗 SketchCow Misty
18:01 🔗 SketchCow Misty Mateo?
18:03 🔗 mistym De Meo. For some reason I can't even remember it made sense to use the second part of my last name.
18:03 🔗 mistym (I only assume it made sense at the time.)
18:03 🔗 SketchCow Yes, yes, De Meo!
18:03 🔗 SketchCow One of my favorite followers on twitter.
18:03 🔗 mistym <3 Well thanks
18:03 🔗 SketchCow I always know I've twittered something more generally clear if you retweet it
18:05 🔗 mistym Haha
18:05 🔗 mistym Hey, I meant to ask. What software do you use for analogue video capture?
18:06 🔗 mistym Blackmagic's own software sucks p. bad, and Virtualdub was desyncing my audio. I can probably fix the issue in Virtualdub but figured I should check what else is worth using too.
18:09 🔗 SketchCow Well, believe it or not, I use something a little more pedestrian - Live2USB
18:10 🔗 mistym Oh, and it's got its own software?
18:10 🔗 SketchCow yeah, very straightforward, blows it right into .ts files.
18:10 🔗 SketchCow Now, that said, for BetaCAM SP I use a go-between M-Audio XLR to USB
18:10 🔗 SketchCow And I have to use a second machine or do a second audio-only run
18:10 🔗 SketchCow And this is for standard-def tapes
18:10 🔗 SketchCow Also, I make sure the tapes are kept around after, I do not throw them out
18:11 🔗 SketchCow So if something is much more critical, then someone can blackmagic 24-bit that shit
18:11 🔗 mistym throwing_shit_away--
18:12 🔗 SketchCow Same when I saw the guy who was digitizing Byte magazine
18:12 🔗 SketchCow And was doing it by ripping out pages, and then throwing them away
18:12 🔗 SketchCow When I called him on it, he really literally was completely confused.
18:12 🔗 mistym Yeah, I don't get it but that's been a deeply ingrained idea for ages.
18:13 🔗 mistym cf. those libraries who microfilmed decades of historic newspapers and then threw the originals out.
18:14 🔗 mistym I read about that and I feel pained. Actual physical pain! Yet someone weighed all the options and thought that was a good idea. Okay.
18:15 🔗 SketchCow Oh, that's the stuff from Nicholson Baker
18:15 🔗 mistym re: video, I'm doing all standard-def right now, but kind of an exotic source. I just *know* I'm going to utterly destroy frame timing on one of the Laseractive discs and have to do it over. But I guess it's better to actually run into the problems and solve them than try to make sure everything's perfect before I even do anything.
18:17 🔗 mistym I should probably find out what MAME people do/did for arcade LDs.
18:17 🔗 DFJustin aaron giles of the mame project has done work on proper laserdisc game archiving methods
18:17 🔗 DFJustin efb
18:17 🔗 mistym DFJustin: Will look into that, thanks.
18:18 🔗 SketchCow Yes, I agree
18:18 🔗 SketchCow Non-destructive shitter-than-perfect scanning is better than nothing
18:18 🔗 SketchCow And then you store for later and try again
18:18 🔗 mistym There are some especially crazy cases here, with things like multiple videos multiplexed together on even/odd scanlines.
18:19 🔗 DFJustin you also need to capture overscan for some of the laserdisc stuff because they encode stuff there
18:20 🔗 mistym Yeah, I capture the overscan area. But not so much of a problem here because Laseractive games have an actual, honest-to-goodness on-disc data track, so there wasn't a need to hide stuff in overscan.
18:20 🔗 DFJustin if you wanna talk laseractive there are probably folks in #messdev who would be quite interested
18:21 🔗 mistym Will do, thanks!
18:21 🔗 SketchCow OK, I'm going to do it, I'm going to put the Bytes up.
18:21 🔗 SketchCow Going to regret it.
18:21 🔗 mistym There's a guy on a message board who seems very close to capturing the data track, too.
18:21 🔗 SketchCow Or, I should say, it's not going to last.
18:21 🔗 SketchCow But let's do it.
18:23 🔗 winr4r in before legal shitstorm
18:23 🔗 winr4r hi cow, misty
18:23 🔗 mistym Hi winr4r
18:30 🔗 SketchCow Won't be a shitstorm
18:30 🔗 SketchCow It'll be a letter and a takedown
18:31 🔗 mistym That's less exciting.
18:38 🔗 SketchCow I need less exciting
18:51 🔗 Schbirid SketchCow: yay europe, we have http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=hde7s&sort=r which does sort by price per TB too
19:34 🔗 Coderjoe for my SD video conversions, i'm thinking of using a grass valey (formerly canopus) advc110 or advc300 and linux using dvgrab
19:36 🔗 Coderjoe prefering the 300 for the noise reduction and tbc features
19:40 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1981-09&reCache=1
19:40 🔗 SketchCow it's coming along
19:41 🔗 SketchCow It's 500 pages, so it's going to take a while to work through the machine.
19:41 🔗 SketchCow They're so fucking huge.
19:44 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
19:45 🔗 Coderjoe grass valley no longer lists the 300 on their site :-\
19:52 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: DV isn't my delivery/storage format so not necessarily the best fit in my workflow. What's your use case, out of curiosity?
19:55 🔗 SketchCow Holy crap, I do believe the contribution from Nemo_bis has arrived.
19:55 🔗 SketchCow Jesus holy crap
19:59 🔗 balrog_ SketchCow: what is it?
19:59 🔗 SketchCow Hundreds of CD-ROMs, DVD-ROMs, floppies
20:01 🔗 balrog_ oooh
20:01 🔗 balrog_ btw may I PM you?
20:01 🔗 balrog_ I got an email I want to share
20:01 🔗 SketchCow WHO ASKS PERMISSION TO PM
20:01 🔗 balrog_ it's nothing bad
20:01 🔗 balrog_ I do
20:01 🔗 SketchCow May I use this keyboard?
20:01 🔗 SketchCow This one, this one in front of me
20:01 🔗 balrog_ because some people get pissy if I pm them and not ask
20:01 🔗 SketchCow Just checking, it is a keyboard, after all
20:01 🔗 SketchCow Some people get pissy if you ask
20:01 🔗 SketchCow i.e. you're screwed
20:01 🔗 SketchCow ergo fuck them
20:01 🔗 SketchCow ergo just do what you want
20:01 🔗 SketchCow ergo be me
20:03 🔗 emijrp A guy wants to store a Gopher crawl into Stanford and the university reply with a document to sign.
20:04 🔗 underscor hahaha
20:04 🔗 emijrp By the way, the conversation started in 2010, and the document to sign arrived some days ago.
20:04 🔗 emijrp Stanford rocks.
20:04 🔗 underscor lol
20:06 🔗 emijrp http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/3843
20:06 🔗 emijrp The Gopher crawls are those 2 famous gopher torrents.
20:06 🔗 emijrp Saved at iBiblio and probably IA.
20:07 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, already?? :-O
20:08 🔗 mistym emijrp: lol and sigh at the same time
20:08 🔗 Nemo_bis Do you like my stuff? :)
20:08 🔗 SketchCow it's a lot of stuff.
20:08 🔗 Nemo_bis Did it arrive in a good state?
20:08 🔗 SketchCow Seems to have.
20:08 🔗 Nemo_bis I tried to place things in a smart way.
20:08 🔗 Nemo_bis Good.
20:08 🔗 SketchCow I mean, the box got the usual mailing love
20:08 🔗 SketchCow but it's essentially a brick of shit
20:09 🔗 SketchCow Hard to break
20:09 🔗 underscor lol
20:09 🔗 Nemo_bis :D
20:09 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/2007-gopher-mirror
20:09 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/quux-gopher-mirror
20:11 🔗 emijrp Yes, I'm going to reply that guy.
20:17 🔗 emijrp Hi John;
20:17 🔗 emijrp Don't sign any document you don't want to.
20:17 🔗 emijrp Thanks for your work crawling all that Gopher stuff.
20:17 🔗 emijrp Those Gopher crawls were uploaded to Internet Archive some time ago.[1][2] So, they will be preserved many many years.
20:17 🔗 emijrp Regards
20:21 🔗 emijrp in the other side of the interwebz http://www.ufodigest.com/article/wikipedia-considering-dropping-exopolitics-author-alfred-lambremont-webre
20:21 🔗 mistym "exopolitics" is a fantastic word.
20:22 🔗 emijrp i prefer exolinguistics, there is an article at WP about that
20:23 🔗 mistym But for HOW LONG
20:23 🔗 emijrp nobody knows
20:24 🔗 winr4r until some 13 year old looks at it, hasn't heard of it, quietly nominates it for deletion
20:24 🔗 Coderjoe mistym: lots of VHS and SVHS (including SVHS-ET) tapes that I would like to digitize and possibly upload parts of. though I also might try re-encoding into a lossless format and use that for long term storage. (the audio could definitely use it, as DV uses raw PCM. the video data could very likely expand)
20:26 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: Video data would definitely expand in size. If you want lossless storage, I wouldn't go to DV as an intermediate since you've already introduced a lossy step. (Conversely, if you capture to DV, I don't know that you have much to gain by reencoding to lossless.)
20:27 🔗 Coderjoe i know dv isn't lossless
20:28 🔗 Coderjoe it just looked like the easiest means, at this time, to get the tapes digitized. I wasn't planning on discarding them, as nice as it would be to get the space back
20:28 🔗 mistym Makes sense.
20:28 🔗 ersi shrug, video tapes conondrum
20:29 🔗 mistym And there's a value in easy means. A tape that's digitized imperfectly is infinitely better than a tape that isn't digitized.
20:29 🔗 Coderjoe (I'd been doing stuff in the field of digital video since the late 90's)
20:30 🔗 ersi mistym: true that
20:32 🔗 Coderjoe expansion is going to depend on the codec involved and the quality and type of footage. I was thinking I would try the lossless compression and if it didn't work, just keep the dv video.
20:35 🔗 mistym I'd be curious to see, but my instinct tells me that DV's going to be smaller than even, say, highest-efficiency FFV1. I ought to check though, think I have some DV lying around.
20:35 🔗 Coderjoe i have other crazy ideas I would like to try out, like sampling the signals coming from the tape and reconstructing the video frame digitally, or sampling the ntsc signal into a waveform and reconstructing the frames programmatically.
20:35 🔗 mistym Cool!
20:36 🔗 Coderjoe the latter to get away from having to tweak brightness/contrast/etc settings in hardware before capturing
20:36 🔗 mistym I am pro-crazy for sure.
20:37 🔗 Coderjoe one of the x264/libav/ffmpeg developers has a patch for an ffv2, which looks pretty cool. I wish they would finish it an put it in the main codebase.
20:37 🔗 Coderjoe I played around with the patch on my own build
20:38 🔗 mistym ffv1 is only just getting its documentation officially written up and took ages to solidify, so I guess it'll be a similarly long route.
20:38 🔗 mistym Haven't heard too much about ffv2, what's it looking like?
20:40 🔗 ersi neat, I've seeded 500GB+ of ED
20:41 🔗 Coderjoe ffv2 has per-plane block decisions for P or B, hpel motion vectors, and a variable length code system. plus for blocks with small enough differences per pel can pack the data quite well
20:41 🔗 Coderjoe iirc
20:41 🔗 Coderjoe I'm not completely sure I am remembering the per-plane part properly
20:42 🔗 Coderjoe er
20:42 🔗 Coderjoe and I mean I or P
20:43 🔗 Coderjoe hmm
20:44 🔗 Coderjoe I wish I had recorded uncompressed sizes for the sample clips. I have a page comparing the two macroblock decision mode option values for several clips
20:45 🔗 Coderjoe to point out what appeared to be a bug with the decision process. (the "bits" mode was supposed to see which coding came out smaller and go with it, but it didn't come out with a smaller file in most cases)
20:45 🔗 Coderjoe http://wegetsignal.org/tmp/ffv2compare.php
20:46 🔗 mistym Thanks!
20:49 🔗 Coderjoe here's a graph Dark Shikari posted on doom9 back in feb 2009 : http://i39.tinypic.com/2uojolv.png
20:50 🔗 Coderjoe not that it really helps much
20:50 🔗 Coderjoe and I can't find the patch location at the moment
20:51 🔗 Coderjoe though I have a copy of the patch from dec 2010
22:15 🔗 godane got the last 2 call for help episodes upload to archive.org
22:31 🔗 DoubleJ Know what's awesome? Sliding your computer out to get to the USB ports in back and accidentally mashing the power button :|
22:32 🔗 winr4r know what's better than that? a computer that randomly powers off when you plug something in one of the USB ports
22:34 🔗 DoubleJ Haven't found one of those yet. But as old as this thing is you may have just predicted the future.
22:56 🔗 underscor we should copy our stuff to usenet
22:56 🔗 underscor :>
23:28 🔗 dashcloud underscor: would you be able to get a high enough retention period?
23:33 🔗 Coderjoe interesting point I just noticed on that ssd price-per-tb page edward betts made: the best deal is for an add-on card rather than a sata-interface
23:37 🔗 Coderjoe hell, it isn't an SSD, but a hybrid rust/ssd
23:45 🔗 underscor dashcloud: supernews has ~1300 days
23:46 🔗 underscor so you just have to reup every 3 years
23:54 🔗 Coderjoe giga claims 1345 days of bin (groups) and 8.5 years of text (groups)
23:55 🔗 dashcloud wow
23:55 🔗 DragonDon greetings all to the newest VM runner :)
23:56 🔗 DragonDon or maybe better called Virtual Appliance?

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