| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:00
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cmccormic |
btw, archiveteam@archiveteam.org returned "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (state 14)" |
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00:02
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|
cmccormic |
thanks for archiving! |
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00:06
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SketchCow |
OK, who's good at github. |
|
00:06
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Chit chat with me |
|
00:06
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Relax, it'll hit other places on github as well. |
|
00:06
🔗
|
SketchCow |
on/besides |
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00:07
🔗
|
* |
bayleef` has an account, and has pushed some stuff to a repo and submitted a pull request, but other than that... |
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00:09
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yipdw |
I guess I've githubbed a lot |
|
00:09
🔗
|
yipdw |
I'm about to go home, though, so will be offline for a bit |
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00:10
🔗
|
yipdw |
SketchCow: feel free to send messages my way if nobody else is around; it'll be a little while before I can respond, though |
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00:11
🔗
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yipdw |
hopefully CTA doesn't shut down parts of the train line like they did this morning |
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00:11
🔗
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Coderjoe |
strong winds... at least you're not trying to fly... |
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00:12
🔗
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yipdw |
some people say I am, but not quite at that altitude |
|
00:12
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
throw yourself at the ground and miss |
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00:12
🔗
|
* |
bayleef` grins |
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00:13
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
i bet it is fun to drive on the mackinac bridge at the moment |
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00:14
🔗
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mistym |
SketchCow: This the POP source? |
|
00:16
🔗
|
SketchCow |
yes |
|
00:28
🔗
|
mistym |
Awesome! What is it you need, just setting up a repo/organization? |
|
00:32
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Yeah |
|
00:32
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Jordan has an account |
|
00:32
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Just no experience with github |
|
00:32
🔗
|
SketchCow |
So I can lend his account to someone, with the source, and they can add it in. |
|
00:32
🔗
|
balrog_ |
I know github. :) |
|
00:32
🔗
|
balrog_ |
I can give advice |
|
00:32
🔗
|
mistym |
"This is github! I know this!" |
|
00:33
🔗
|
mistym |
Glad to help if needed. Seems like the room is full of githubbers! |
|
00:33
🔗
|
balrog_ |
https://github.com/balr0g |
|
00:33
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I also know a bit about github. I haven't yet created my own project, though |
|
00:33
🔗
|
balrog_ |
I have 28 repos :o |
|
00:34
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
i have many repos, but they are forks of other repos |
|
00:34
🔗
|
balrog_ |
most of these are forks that I've done stuff with |
|
00:34
🔗
|
balrog_ |
some are conversions from svn |
|
00:34
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
or part of an organization collection that I have access to |
|
00:34
🔗
|
SketchCow |
I don't need advice. |
|
00:35
🔗
|
SketchCow |
We're going to give people a pile of files in an archive and make it a repo. |
|
00:35
🔗
|
balrog_ |
I'd go ahead and do it. |
|
00:35
🔗
|
balrog_ |
I'm just afraid of screwing up :p |
|
00:35
🔗
|
mistym |
Sure, I can do that. Right now or waiting on it? |
|
00:35
🔗
|
balrog_ |
ofc I'd want to consult with Tony on the best way of laying out the files. |
|
00:38
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
wow. creating a repo on github looks pretty darned easy, after all. |
|
00:38
🔗
|
mistym |
Yeah, p. dang easy. They make it nice'n comfy. |
|
00:38
🔗
|
balrog_ |
making a repo is easy |
|
00:38
🔗
|
balrog_ |
laying out files in a way that makes sense for Apple ][, may or may not be |
|
00:39
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I just had never looked at the process on github, so I had no idea how easy or hard it was |
|
01:10
🔗
|
mistym |
SketchCow: If it's easier for you, shoot the details to mistydemeo@gmail.com |
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01:30
🔗
|
yipdw |
awesome |
|
01:30
🔗
|
yipdw |
my state tax refund: $1 |
|
01:31
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
and they spend a bunch of money to mail you a check? |
|
01:31
🔗
|
yipdw |
nah, I just told them to do direct deposit |
|
01:31
🔗
|
yipdw |
er wtf |
|
01:31
🔗
|
yipdw |
$20 e-file fee |
|
01:31
🔗
|
yipdw |
blah |
|
01:31
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
yeah |
|
01:33
🔗
|
yipdw |
haha what |
|
01:33
🔗
|
yipdw |
TurboTax added Facebook and Twitter buttons |
|
01:33
🔗
|
yipdw |
I hate this planet |
|
01:34
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
they did that at least a year ago |
|
01:34
🔗
|
shaqfu |
So you can spam your friends with your tax returns? |
|
01:34
🔗
|
yipdw |
there's also a "Backup to MobileMe" button |
|
01:34
🔗
|
yipdw |
A FAT LOT OF GOOD THAT DOES, DOESN'T IT |
|
01:34
🔗
|
yipdw |
actually fuck I wonder if that means we might have some tax returns in the memac grab |
|
01:34
🔗
|
shaqfu |
yipdw: You mean, the "Backup to Archive Team" button? :) |
|
01:35
🔗
|
yipdw |
shaqfu: yes, at this point :P |
|
01:36
🔗
|
shaqfu |
I should put all my at-risk data on a dying site and let you guys preserve it :P |
|
01:39
🔗
|
yipdw |
hmm, google returns zero results for filetype:*.tax2011 |
|
01:39
🔗
|
yipdw |
either everyone is smart enough to not make that public, or they're filtering it out |
|
01:40
🔗
|
DFJustin |
that's not the syntax https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Atax2011 |
|
01:41
🔗
|
DFJustin |
hits seem unrelated though |
|
01:41
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
mistym: looks like I did have some record of some of my lossless testing stuff from awhile back. I forget what the test clip was, though: http://wegetsignal.org/tmp/lossless_sizes.png |
|
01:41
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
though one of the items in the list is almost certainly not lossless |
|
01:42
🔗
|
yipdw |
DFJustin: oh oops |
|
01:44
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
hmm |
|
01:45
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
I had a screenshot somewhere of turbotax offering to post something to facebook from a previous year, but now I can't find it |
|
01:49
🔗
|
mistym |
Coderjoe: Nice, thanks! |
|
01:50
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
iirc, those are all video-only encodes |
|
01:51
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
i think the xvid cq1 was there simply to compare against a lossy format in its least-lossy state |
|
01:51
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
the x264 ones were using lossless mode |
|
01:54
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
the downside to the ffv1 is that my (rather old) desktop was not fast enough to play it. ffv2 looks promising, but I didn't rebuild ffdshow with ffv2 support in order to try it out |
|
01:55
🔗
|
mistym |
ffv1 is REALLY cpu-intensive on decode, yeah. |
|
01:56
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
ffv2 decodes rather quickly, iirc |
|
01:56
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
but still isn't included in the latest versions, last I saw |
|
02:15
🔗
|
mistym |
Yeah, I don't think it's in by default. Probably not for awhile, though the ProRes encoder went from being optional to in by default pretty darn fast. |
|
02:24
🔗
|
godane |
i got 176-267 of dl.tv episodes now |
|
02:30
🔗
|
dashcloud |
nolan bushnell is on the wasteland 2 wrap up stream: http://www.twitch.tv/inxile_entertainment |
|
03:02
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Still up for it, mistym ? Or is it too late? |
|
03:04
🔗
|
mistym |
SketchCow: Yep, still up for it! |
|
03:17
🔗
|
mistym |
SketchCow: How much we doing, just the one disk for now? |
|
03:57
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Just the one disk. |
|
03:58
🔗
|
SketchCow |
But still waiting on the fellow. |
|
03:58
🔗
|
SketchCow |
http://i.imgur.com/8Ic9X.png |
|
03:58
🔗
|
mistym |
That screenshot fills me with glee. |
|
03:59
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Has that source been recovered? |
|
03:59
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Yes, it just needs some work and we'll have a .zip of textfiles to import into git |
|
04:01
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Hoorah |
|
04:01
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
haw |
|
04:02
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
"Beware of computer programmers that carry screwdrivers." |
|
04:02
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
yeah. they might spill it |
|
04:20
🔗
|
mistym |
"ProDOS" is a magically 80s name. |
|
04:20
🔗
|
mistym |
(https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles/status/192105057204965378) |
|
04:22
🔗
|
godane |
would this full under public domain? |
|
04:24
🔗
|
SketchCow |
shhhh |
|
04:24
🔗
|
SketchCow |
We're releasing it and have a side of mashed shut up |
|
04:26
🔗
|
godane |
i got the first 6 + pilot episode of crankygeeks on archive.org |
|
04:26
🔗
|
godane |
still downloading dl.tv |
|
04:27
🔗
|
godane |
its the new computer chronies |
|
04:27
🔗
|
godane |
it needs to be saved |
|
04:28
🔗
|
godane |
luckly it looks like all videos are on on mevio.com |
|
04:31
🔗
|
SketchCow |
He's in the zone and finishing this last backup |
|
04:31
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Then he'll get me the .zip for you. |
|
04:42
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
but I ordered the baked shut up... |
|
04:52
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Lost my githubber. Who else here is notably familiar with github? |
|
04:52
🔗
|
balrog_ |
me |
|
04:54
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Great. |
|
05:13
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
argh |
|
06:58
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Anyone else? |
|
06:58
🔗
|
SketchCow |
I shot through two. |
|
06:58
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Now I need a third |
|
07:18
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
SketchCow: sill looking? |
|
07:20
🔗
|
SketchCow |
No, I have someone on it |
|
07:20
🔗
|
SketchCow |
balrog_: |
|
07:21
🔗
|
SketchCow |
But he's dealing with a linespace issue |
|
07:21
🔗
|
SketchCow |
https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II |
|
07:21
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Feel free to work with him. |
|
07:21
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
cool |
|
07:22
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
hmm |
|
07:23
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
i see in another channel that he crashed for the night |
|
08:44
🔗
|
yipdw |
SketchCow: ooh awesome |
|
08:44
🔗
|
* |
yipdw clones |
|
10:26
🔗
|
oli |
bit disappointed in the softlayer box |
|
10:26
🔗
|
oli |
cant get over 10MB/s uploading w/ sessaw |
|
10:26
🔗
|
oli |
multiple threads |
|
10:26
🔗
|
* |
oli cries |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
so many blue threads |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
on tracker |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
for me |
|
10:28
🔗
|
alard |
The upload speed doesn't only depend on your softlayer box, of course. The batcave proxy can only do 50MB/s in total. |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
wasted :/ |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
http://memac-tamer.heroku.com/ |
|
10:28
🔗
|
oli |
how can i get stuff going faster? if it only takes 50mbits then im already taking 30 of that in total |
|
10:29
🔗
|
oli |
cause im still having that issue with curl hanging |
|
10:29
🔗
|
alard |
Well, 50 megabytes, not megabits. |
|
10:29
🔗
|
oli |
yes my bad |
|
10:29
🔗
|
oli |
but i have 3 sertver4you systems going |
|
10:29
🔗
|
oli |
and the softlayer one |
|
10:30
🔗
|
oli |
so ... probably taking up at least half of that myself |
|
10:30
🔗
|
oli |
judging by nload |
|
10:36
🔗
|
SmileyG |
112 percent full << lol? |
|
10:36
🔗
|
SmileyG |
Is that the mobile me stuff? |
|
10:36
🔗
|
SmileyG |
That page is much nicer :O |
|
10:37
🔗
|
oli |
it is? |
|
10:37
🔗
|
oli |
makes n osense at all |
|
10:39
🔗
|
oli |
i have a funny feeling all my seesaw-s3-repeat 's have been wasted and not uploaded anything at all, can you check alard ? :/ |
|
10:40
🔗
|
alard |
Are you running normal seesaw besides seesaw-s3? |
|
10:40
🔗
|
oli |
no |
|
10:40
🔗
|
oli |
not in the same directory |
|
10:40
🔗
|
oli |
please tell me that since i started running seesaw-s3-repeat i have actually uploaded SOMETHING |
|
10:40
🔗
|
alard |
No, but somewhere else at all? |
|
10:41
🔗
|
oli |
yes elsewhere |
|
10:41
🔗
|
oli |
on systems with less disk space |
|
10:41
🔗
|
alard |
Since if you don't do anything but seesaw-s3, you can just check the tracker. |
|
10:41
🔗
|
alard |
You've uploaded 8TB so far. |
|
10:41
🔗
|
oli |
which tracker? there are two :/ |
|
10:41
🔗
|
alard |
http://memac.heroku.com/ |
|
10:41
🔗
|
oli |
does that count both seesaw and the repeat one? |
|
10:41
🔗
|
alard |
Yes, that counts everything. |
|
10:42
🔗
|
oli |
ok, that's a relief |
|
10:42
🔗
|
SmileyG |
:O I did 9gb? nice :D |
|
10:42
🔗
|
alard |
The only difference is that the seesaw-s3 updates are batched: when it finishes uploading it sends all usernames to the tracker in one go. So you'll see a number of them appear. |
|
10:42
🔗
|
SmileyG |
I'll never have the power you guys did |
|
10:42
🔗
|
SmileyG |
but man |
|
10:42
🔗
|
oli |
hrrm |
|
10:43
🔗
|
alard |
But perhaps we should move this type of discussion to the #memac channel. |
|
10:44
🔗
|
SmileyG |
i like it here :D I can watch ;D |
|
10:45
🔗
|
alard |
SmileyG: Why don't you join #memac then? |
|
10:45
🔗
|
SmileyG |
more channels ¬_¬ |
|
12:37
🔗
|
mistym |
github++ |
|
12:38
🔗
|
SmileyG |
o_O? |
|
12:38
🔗
|
BlueMax |
WUT |
|
12:39
🔗
|
BlueMax |
n-n-n-n-n-netsplit |
|
12:45
🔗
|
SmileyG |
- Running wget --mirror (at least 4662 files)... ERROR (3). |
|
12:45
🔗
|
SmileyG |
Error downloading from web.me.com. |
|
12:46
🔗
|
SmileyG |
:O |
|
12:46
🔗
|
SmileyG |
What happened? |
|
13:58
🔗
|
balrog_ |
Coderjoe: the linespace issue was fixed |
|
14:12
🔗
|
mistym |
I enjoy waking up to find myself in a world where the Prince of Persia source code is on Github. |
|
14:13
🔗
|
balrog_ |
morning, mistym :) |
|
14:14
🔗
|
blt |
Will Google Drive be going on the deathwatch list immediately upon release? |
|
14:14
🔗
|
mistym |
Morning balrog_! |
|
14:17
🔗
|
winr4r |
hi folks |
|
14:18
🔗
|
Wyatt |
Wait, is Google Drive a storage thing or the self-driving car? For some reason I thought it was the latter.... |
|
14:18
🔗
|
mistym |
Wyatt: They picked a REALLY bad time naming their cloud service "Google Drive" immediately after a major self-driving car announcement |
|
14:18
🔗
|
mistym |
Now what are their cars called, "Google Car"? Sounds like a toy. |
|
14:19
🔗
|
Wyatt |
Google Autobot. |
|
14:19
🔗
|
Wyatt |
Forces Apple or MS to go with Decepticons. |
|
14:21
🔗
|
mistym |
Definitely MS, Apple wouldn't be *overtly* evil. |
|
14:21
🔗
|
mistym |
Apple is more like the Portal turret. Sleek, adorable, and also deadly. |
|
14:23
🔗
|
winr4r |
mistym: are you sure about that? |
|
14:23
🔗
|
Wyatt |
So Apple would go with Maximals? |
|
14:23
🔗
|
winr4r |
apple are every bit as litigious, awful and fuck-the-customer-just-because-they-can as any other big business |
|
14:24
🔗
|
winr4r |
i honestly don't get the techie hard-on for them, they're a business and if they could make more money out of you by turning you into fertiliser they'd do just that |
|
14:24
🔗
|
mistym |
winr4r: Yes, but they like to cultivate the image of being hip, ergonomic, etc. |
|
14:24
🔗
|
winr4r |
just like google and microsoft would |
|
14:24
🔗
|
mistym |
MS would LIKE that image but they can't market their way out of a paper bag. |
|
14:25
🔗
|
Wyatt |
But they've cornered the market on paper-bag interiors. |
|
14:25
🔗
|
winr4r |
mistym: in apple's case it'd be like "it's COOL to be fertiliser" and everyone would line up before the shredders |
|
14:26
🔗
|
winr4r |
they're no worse than anyone else, of course, but they're also no less overt |
|
14:31
🔗
|
DFJustin |
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/entertainment/books/Oxford+University+Vatican+libraries+digitize+ancient+texts/6458772/story.html |
|
14:33
🔗
|
winr4r |
DFJustin: splendid! |
|
14:55
🔗
|
SmileyG |
google isn't hip and cool? |
|
14:55
🔗
|
SmileyG |
they have god damn fire poles in their HQ! |
|
14:56
🔗
|
SmileyG |
Apples attitude of we are right and everyone else is wrong, stinks of MS, 10 years ago. |
|
14:58
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
balrog_ph: i see that. any idea about what license it is under? |
|
14:59
🔗
|
balrog_ph |
Jordan will decide that part |
|
15:00
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
"The libraries said the digitized collections will centre on three subject areas: Greek manuscripts, 15th-century printed books and Hebrew manuscripts and early printed books." |
|
15:00
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
argh. why the limitations? upload them all! |
|
15:01
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
balrog_ph: right. but I was hoping he would have passed on info about license before making the big announcement (which he did last night) |
|
15:02
🔗
|
balrog_ph |
You know how late it was? |
|
15:02
🔗
|
balrog_ph |
I posted the code at 3:40am |
|
15:02
🔗
|
balrog_ph |
:/ |
|
15:04
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
balrog_ph: http://twitter.com/jmechner/status/192153085362184193 |
|
15:04
🔗
|
Schbirid |
wasnt there a photo of IAs recent hdd purchase? cant find it |
|
15:04
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dnova |
yeah there was |
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15:04
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dnova |
don't know if I saw it here or twitter |
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15:05
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balrog_ph |
Coderjoe: They told me "we'll fix that later" |
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15:06
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Coderjoe |
[Wed Apr 11 11:49:14 2012 EDT] DFJustin #archiveteam http://home.us.archive.org/~edward/unloading_truck/ |
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Schbirid |
cheers |
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15:06
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dnova |
they're selling all the empty cases now |
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15:06
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Schbirid |
yeah :D |
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15:07
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Coderjoe |
argh. that is one thing i would have liked to have seen completed before everyone started cloning it |
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15:07
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Coderjoe |
as annoying as licensing and copyright is |
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15:08
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mistym |
Coderjoe: Github's TOS does state that you grant an implicit license to fork & modify if there is no stated license. |
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mistym |
"[...] by setting your pages to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view your Content. By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and fork your repositories." |
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Coderjoe |
do they have a legal definition of what "fork" entails? the law generally isn't friendly about implicit definitions, afaik. does "fork" just mean clone, or does it mean use the github fork feature? does it grant "forkers" the rights to distribute copies? what about people that fork the forks? |
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15:22
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mistym |
Haven't read the TOS in detail, so not sure if they specify. |
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15:38
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balrog_ph |
Coderjoe: The currently posted source is incomplete anyway |
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15:38
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balrog_ph |
You can't build it |
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15:39
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mistym |
Always impressed what can end up happening when someone ends up with ancient source though. |
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15:39
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mistym |
Like when someone posted the Mr Nutz 2 Genesis source code. Game was never released, source is from an unfinished version of the game. Couple years later someone recreates the Amiga build environment and releases a ROM assembled from the source. |
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15:43
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balrog_ph |
More will be posted soon |
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15:44
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balrog_ph |
This was late at night, remember |
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15:44
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mistym |
Very late at night. Wish I could have stayed up until it dropped, even if I wasn't in a position to do anything with it! |
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15:52
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LordNlptp |
waiting for SketchCow to wake up, i sorted most of the stuff he asked me to sort |
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15:54
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LordNlptp |
6 left to sort |
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15:57
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Coderjoe |
mm |
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15:58
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Coderjoe |
mindless self indulgence made interesting use of some old footage. i think it was reefer madness |
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15:58
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Coderjoe |
in the video for "Shut Me Up" |
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15:58
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Coderjoe |
(which was recently uploaded as part of the stage6 content) |
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16:03
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BlueMax |
Recently posted on a Joystiq article related to PoP: The copying took place at a "megacopy" party, assisted by digital archivist Jason Scott using various modified computer hardware. We're glad people like Mechner exist who can do things like "write Prince of Persia," and we're glad people like Scott exist who can figure out how to preserve this material for computers that aren't 35 years old. We're here to ... appreciat |
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16:03
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BlueMax |
e the effort? We're totally doing our part! |
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16:27
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LordNlptp |
SketchCow: all disks sorted |
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16:27
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balrog_ |
btw if anyone is interested https://twitter.com/#!/tqft9999/googlevoracle |
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16:28
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Wyatt |
Hahaha, I love that everyone's remarking on that guy wearing a suit. |
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16:29
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nitro2k01 |
What's this lawsuit about again? Java on Android? |
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16:29
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nitro2k01 |
Yes |
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16:29
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balrog_ |
more or less |
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16:29
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Wyatt |
Do Google and Oracle even know what this is about anymore? |
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16:30
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mistym |
This could all have been avoided if only Unladen Swallow had turned out better :( |
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16:30
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nitro2k01 |
Had to scroll down a page to find a tweet about the actual suit (not the one one guy is wearing) |
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16:30
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balrog_ |
well since most of Oracle's patents got invalidated, Oracle is playing the "APIs can be copyrighted" card real hard |
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16:30
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balrog_ |
which is BAD |
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16:30
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LordNlptp |
if that's true that royally f***s up software development forever |
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16:31
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LordNlptp |
since its eternal vendor lock-in |
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16:31
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nitro2k01 |
BYe bye, Wine |
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16:31
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LordNlptp |
yep |
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16:31
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balrog_ |
there will most definitely be appeals |
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16:38
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Wyatt |
"Goog atty admits Android has 9 lines of code from Java, but says its out of Android's 15 million lines. Calls it inconsequential, a mistake." Seems like a weird thing to leave in your codebase. |
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balrog_ |
Wyatt: they took code from Apache Harmony |
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16:39
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Coderjoe |
this is a civil suit, correct? |
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16:39
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balrog_ |
yes, but it's precedent-setting |
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16:39
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Wyatt |
Inasmuch as Oracle is capable of civility, |
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16:40
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Coderjoe |
i'm asking because the comment about a jury. afaik, juries are only criminal cases |
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16:40
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balrog_ |
umm no |
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16:40
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Wyatt |
I think you're thinking of Small Claims. |
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16:40
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Coderjoe |
granted, I haven't ever set foot in a courtroom |
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16:41
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balrog_ |
I have, for Jury Duty, but I was excused :| |
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16:41
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Coderjoe |
and the majority of the stuff you might see on tv is criminal cases |
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16:42
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Coderjoe |
(ignoring the stuff like judge judy, superior court, etc) |
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16:44
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Wyatt |
I had a nightmare that I was summoned for jury duty last night... |
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17:29
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Jaybird11 |
So I had a thought I voiced on Twitter. Wonder if the original #PoPsource files on that disk have timestamps? I think it'd be cool to migrate those to the modern vrsions. |
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17:30
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Jaybird11 |
Of course it'd have to be done every time someone modifies something in the repo, but the more historical info about when files were modified that can be preserved, the better. |
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winr4r |
that is a splendid idea |
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17:32
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beardicus |
just starting in on the mobileme slurp with seesaw.sh... sorry i'm late to the game. .8Mb upload to the rescue! |
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17:33
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beardicus |
anything i should know about that hasn't made it to the wiki? everything looks really slick and well documented. nice job folks. |
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17:37
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winr4r |
if it's not documented there it's probably because they don't know about it yet |
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17:37
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winr4r |
:) |
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17:38
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Wyatt |
What in the world, so thats Prince of Persia and now three demoscene groups releasing source this week. |
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17:38
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winr4r |
Wyatt: i heard about the .kkrieger release |
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17:39
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winr4r |
if that's one of the other three |
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17:39
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Wyatt |
winr4r: More than just kkreiger. Farbrausch released ten years worth of code, inclusing Werkkzeug3 |
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17:39
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Wyatt |
And then Demopaja. |
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17:40
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Wyatt |
And now Conspiracy has released...what, everything? It's a 7MB zip, so... |
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17:40
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winr4r |
Wyatt: excellent |
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17:55
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Coderjoe |
woah |
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17:56
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Coderjoe |
i had not heard about the farbeausch releases |
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17:56
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Coderjoe |
does that also include .the .product? |
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17:56
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Coderjoe |
and candytron? |
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17:56
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balrog_ |
https://github.com/farbrausch/fr_public |
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17:56
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oli |
Coderjoe: like woah? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fC8EAQ8xhM |
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18:00
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Coderjoe |
nothing older than candytron, it appears |
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18:01
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Wyatt |
For now. I'm pretty sure ryg mentioned on his blog that Chaos is going to release more stuff now that .theprodukkt gmbh is fully dissolved. |
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18:01
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Wyatt |
It's just a matter of relicensing things or removing things. |
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18:02
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Coderjoe |
though candytron was very impressive. voice synth and all that in 64k. |
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18:03
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Wyatt |
Coderjoe: http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/if-in-doubt-go-to-the-source/ and the accompanying posts in that series. |
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18:03
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Wyatt |
"Metaprogramming for madmen" is probably my fav so far. |
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18:06
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Coderjoe |
something that I found interesting about .the .product was seeing new things added as I got newer, more capable hardware/drivers |
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18:09
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Wyatt |
Oh? |
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18:13
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Coderjoe |
indeed |
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18:13
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SketchCow |
Guess who's back! |
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18:13
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SketchCow |
We're adding a README/license to the github for prince of persia. |
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18:13
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Coderjoe |
in the mothereffin house? |
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18:14
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mistym |
SketchCow++ |
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18:14
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mistym |
Awesome! |
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18:14
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SketchCow |
It will not satisfy most nerds |
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18:14
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mistym |
Nothing satisfies nerds. |
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18:14
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* |
mistym included |
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18:15
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Coderjoe |
Wyatt: the first time I saw it, I was using a TNT or TNT2. I later got a GF2 (iirc) and noticed a few new things in the demo |
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18:15
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Coderjoe |
NERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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18:15
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Coderjoe |
erm. sorry. |
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18:16
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Wyatt |
Has there ever been a licence that satisfies most nerds? |
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18:16
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SketchCow |
No, there never has bee, |
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18:16
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SketchCow |
Ever |
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18:16
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yipdw |
Wyatt: WTFPL |
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18:17
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Wyatt |
yipdw: "But it doesn't enforce your Freedom!" |
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18:17
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yipdw |
though honestly I like to see GPL used more these days just because it just pisses people off |
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18:17
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yipdw |
for no good reason |
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18:17
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chronomex |
TOO PERMISSIVE |
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18:18
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yipdw |
one of my big goals in life is to make usage of GPLv3 akin to admitting you're a neo-Nazi |
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18:18
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yipdw |
and then slap it on a hugely popular software project |
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18:18
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yipdw |
and watch the Open Source community disintegrate |
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18:18
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balrog_ |
yipdw: eh not gonna happen |
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18:19
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yipdw |
which part |
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18:19
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balrog_ |
a lot of projects I'm involved with use GPLv3 |
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18:19
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balrog_ |
and are happy with it |
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18:19
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yipdw |
oh, I'm not trying to go for everyone, I'm just trying to get sufficient leverage s.t. I can follow up the wreckage with a commit that adds trollface.jpg to the repo |
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18:20
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winr4r |
hi all |
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18:20
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winr4r |
Wyatt: i read "metaprogramming for madmen", that was awesome |
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18:21
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Wyatt |
"...can shrink 32-bit x86 code by 300-400 bytes a day, tops." |
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18:22
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SketchCow |
I think it's more Jordan doesn't want to speak for things he cant promise. |
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18:22
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mistym |
SketchCow: Which is 100% reasonable. |
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18:22
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SketchCow |
So his readme is purely a "enjoy, don't ask me" |
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18:22
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SketchCow |
Like I said on twitter, the ratio of idiots to grateful fans has been very favorable. |
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18:23
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SketchCow |
People who want to recompile the source are the people who want to take antique cars out for a spin. |
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18:23
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SketchCow |
Maybe, sure, but it's not an insult if that's not currently possible. |
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18:23
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shaqfu |
The chance of there being abuse of it is so minimal... |
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18:23
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SketchCow |
We were up to 2am converting the files so they could go in (hence no data files yet) |
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18:23
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Wyatt |
People will figure it out, I'm sure. |
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18:24
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shaqfu |
I can't see many opportunities to exploit 25 year old code for machines rarely seen outside of museums |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
Untrue, in this case |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
Two reasons. |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
#1 Roland G. did some AMAZING code for broderbund, techniques that may still have use |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
#2. The code itself uses techniques that may have programming use as well |
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18:24
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SketchCow |
All of broderbund's disk protection code is in there too. |
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18:25
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mistym |
Definitely! I can only imagine the learning opportunities. |
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18:25
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shaqfu |
Are those techniques protected under patent law? |
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18:25
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mistym |
shaqfu: Expired. |
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18:25
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mistym |
It's been 22 years. |
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18:25
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shaqfu |
Gotcha |
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18:26
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shaqfu |
Seems like an awesome educational piece, then |
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18:26
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winr4r |
mistym: not sure that's so |
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18:26
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winr4r |
oh never mind, read what you said as "expired by 22 years" |
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18:26
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mistym |
shaqfu: I can see other applications too. cf. the guy who took the Mr Nutz 2 Genesis source code, set up an Amiga build environment, and successfully built a ROM. Could lead to some interesting game mods, for example. |
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18:26
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sethish |
The original microprose sim city code is excellent to read |
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18:26
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winr4r |
you're right |
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18:26
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shaqfu |
I'm all for examples of badasses 25 years ago doing badass things |
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18:27
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sethish |
A little hard to read, but the guy who did the original unix port went back, commented and ported to modern linux |
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18:28
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winr4r |
SketchCow: so what, exactly, is the rights situation with the code? |
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18:29
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* |
winr4r isn't in the "idiot" category, i hope, because i'm very happy the source is out there |
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18:32
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Jaybird11 |
I'm blind so this game means nothing to me, but SketchCow, will the original disk images be made available? Do the files have timestamps? |
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18:32
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sethish |
Is anyone aware of publicly available datasets of telegrams? I don't even know if records of telegram contents or locations were kept, but I hope so. |
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18:32
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sethish |
I figured if anyone would know, it would be SketchCow |
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18:32
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sethish |
Or, anyone I was likely to talk to in the next few weeks |
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18:33
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shaqfu |
Telegrams? That's a...curious request |
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18:33
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shaqfu |
As private correspondence, I don't think there's a master data set |
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18:33
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shaqfu |
sethish: If you'd like I can ask around; mind if I ask what it's for? |
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18:37
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shaqfu |
Oh, hold up; I might have something |
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18:37
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sethish |
Short term goal; I am curating (cleaning up and republishing) historical datatsets that are important |
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18:39
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sethish |
So I am copying out things like the data used to figure out where cholera came from in the 1850's in london |
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18:39
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shaqfu |
Oh, neat |
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18:39
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shaqfu |
What data was that? Historical obits? |
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18:39
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sethish |
medium term goal is to provide some simple visualizations to show the historically important conclusion |
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18:40
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sethish |
John Snow went around and figured out where people lived who were sick and put it on a map |
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18:40
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sethish |
and noticed they were more strongly correlated to where people got their water from than from locations that were 'dirty' or 'smelled bad' which were the running theories at the time of what caused cholera |
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18:41
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SketchCow |
I don't know of publically available datasets of telegrams, no. |
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18:41
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SketchCow |
OK, need github help. |
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18:41
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shaqfu |
And your long-term goal is continued preservation/access of interesting data sets? |
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18:41
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SketchCow |
What's the easiest way to add a readme |
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18:41
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Wyatt |
SketchCow: I think you just upload the readme to the root of the repo. |
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18:41
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sethish |
SketchCow: can't create files on github, you'll have to pull it down and add it. |
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18:41
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sethish |
Do you have direct write access? |
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18:41
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Wyatt |
THat is, push it. |
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18:41
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SketchCow |
I am on as Jordan, so yes. |
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18:42
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SketchCow |
Can I do this from the webpage? |
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18:42
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sethish |
No |
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18:42
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sethish |
but I can offer you a pull request to create the file |
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18:42
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sethish |
then you can edit it from the web |
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18:42
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SketchCow |
Make it so there's a LICENSE and a README |
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18:44
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sethish |
sent the readme, I made it a README.mkd if that is ok, it's markdown |
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18:44
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sethish |
adding a LICENSE now |
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18:45
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SketchCow |
I want to be able to have functioning links, is that possible, in the readme |
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18:45
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sethish |
sent and sent |
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18:45
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sethish |
that will require markdown |
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18:45
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bayleef` |
SketchCow: if you make it something like md or html, yeah |
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18:45
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sethish |
the syntax is [linktext](url) |
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18:46
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sethish |
https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/pulls << click merge on those |
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18:48
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balrog_ |
SketchCow: want me to add it? |
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18:50
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* |
mistym loves markdown |
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18:54
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SketchCow |
Hooray, lost my entire edit |
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18:54
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SketchCow |
I don't know github well. |
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18:54
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SketchCow |
Redoing. |
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18:56
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Jaybird11 |
I don't know beans about Github. But if it's a standard edit box or text area. Writing your text in something like Notepad, then pasting it in is the way to go! |
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18:56
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SketchCow |
Thanks |
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18:56
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SketchCow |
"I don't kmow much about camping, but don't punch coyotes" |
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18:56
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Jaybird11 |
I think I learned that lesson after losing a few things like feedback form messages and whatnot |
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18:57
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Jaybird11 |
Um. yeah. not a good idea |
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18:58
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winr4r |
SketchCow: haha |
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19:00
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SketchCow |
I edited the file, and it doesn't show me as having done so. |
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19:00
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SketchCow |
What am I missing in magic github spells. |
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19:01
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Jaybird11 |
Wow, Github sounds like the name of an Infocom spell |
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19:01
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mistym |
SketchCow: Did you type in a commit message and hit the "Commit Changes" btuton? |
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19:01
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SketchCow |
I thought I did |
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19:02
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winr4r |
it sounds like a beast from an h.p. lovecraft novel if you pronounce the "th" the right way |
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19:02
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SketchCow |
I suspect it's sitting with sethish or something |
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19:02
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* |
winr4r wishes he could help, has only used bitbucket for VC :\ |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
Man, I don't want to type that AGAIN |
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19:03
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sethish |
hrrm? |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
I don't know, I likely edited it and saved it and it's in your inbox or something. |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
I might have edited yours |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
Remember, I don't use github, and jordan's only using it on my suggestion |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
So it's 100% new to me on this end |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
I am not a coder! |
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19:03
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* |
bayleef` has never used the web interface to edit things |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
Also, I hate people! |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
So this is actually the worst possible thing |
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19:03
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sethish |
SketchCow: not I, sorry. I think that you lost it on the web |
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19:03
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SketchCow |
Where I am forced to code with other people |
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19:04
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sethish |
lemme look at the commit log |
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19:04
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sethish |
one sec |
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19:04
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mistym |
sethish: Commit log doesn't show anything, yeah. |
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19:04
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mistym |
It does look like the commit is supposed to go in instantly; I tested in a throwaway branch on one of my repos. |
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19:04
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SketchCow |
Well, that is bullshit. |
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19:05
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sethish |
Yeah. where did you type it in, might your browser still have it? |
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19:05
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SketchCow |
No, it's lost. |
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19:05
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mistym |
SketchCow: Erg. |
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19:05
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SketchCow |
I'm doing the notepad "fuck the web" option. |
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19:05
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SketchCow |
ALready hate github a little bit |
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19:05
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mistym |
Yeah. Just do it that way, sethish/I can submit a pull request for you to pull 'em in. |
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19:05
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mistym |
Github is lovely but the learning curve is not gentle. |
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19:06
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winr4r |
git generally has a hard learning curve if you're used to centralised VC |
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19:06
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Wyatt |
I'm surprised it's not easy/smooth to simply add a file on github from the web interface. That seems like a natural thing. |
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19:07
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winr4r |
(which is why i use bitbucket, you can at least pretend mercurial is CVS with different commands) |
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19:07
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sethish |
Wyatt: they're leaving open integration with ace editor and cloud9ide |
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19:07
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bayleef` |
Iww, you're using notepad? Fuck that, go use ed |
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19:07
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mistym |
ed is the standard text editor |
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19:08
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* |
bayleef` grins |
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19:08
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sethish |
vi is required by IEEE posix standards |
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19:08
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Wyatt |
winr4r: I don't really see how mercurial is that different from git in terms of accepting any workflow you want. |
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19:08
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bayleef` |
WTF really? |
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19:09
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Jaybird11 |
My favorite Linux editor is Nano. On Windows, it's an editor written by a blind guy, EdSharp. |
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19:09
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SketchCow |
Ha ha |
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19:09
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SketchCow |
Tell me not to use notpad and to use something else and you'll be kickbanned. |
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19:09
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SketchCow |
I'm going to try this again. |
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19:09
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* |
bayleef` giggles |
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19:09
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Wyatt |
Unless I'm mistaken, vi is traditionally the visual mode for ex, which is extended ed. Is that wrong? |
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19:09
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SketchCow |
On the readme.mkd |
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19:09
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SketchCow |
I am doing "edit this file". |
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19:10
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SketchCow |
I comment why I am doing this |
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19:10
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SketchCow |
And I do "commit changes". |
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19:10
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mistym |
And it works!! |
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19:11
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sethish |
Wyatt: that is correct |
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19:12
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winr4r |
Wyatt: you might even be right, maybe it's just that the git tutorials i've read have been like "here's all about distributed version control" and the mercurial ones i've read have been like "here's how you use mercurial for version control" |
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19:14
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Wyatt |
winr4r: That's...I can't really argue with. People who write git tutorials probably tend to also think vimtutor is inadequate because it doesn't teach you all about macros. |
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19:15
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sethish |
all text editors are awful |
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19:16
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winr4r |
"cp" = version control for real men |
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19:16
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SketchCow |
Done |
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19:16
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SketchCow |
I am SURE the license nerds will be sad |
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19:16
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SketchCow |
I LOVED LOVED LOVED the guy who impled we were putting programmers at risk by putting the code up with no license. |
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19:16
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SketchCow |
AT. RISK. |
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19:16
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Wyatt |
And they will never get over it. </wrists> |
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19:16
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mistym |
OH NO |
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19:20
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Wyatt |
Yeah, seems completely reasonable. |
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19:21
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kjdemco_ |
note to all programmers: hide yo kids, hide yo wife |
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19:21
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bayleef` |
And hide ya husband |
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19:22
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winr4r |
cause they suin erreybody out there |
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19:22
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kjdemco_ |
and your princes |
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19:22
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kjdemco_ |
if they are from persia |
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19:22
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Wyatt |
No, those go straight to jail. |
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19:22
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winr4r |
you don't have to 'git pull' THEY LOOKIN FOR YOU |
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19:25
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sethish |
a little but of massaging would probably make ubisoft happier. but I highly doubt this will be a problem |
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19:25
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sethish |
*bit |
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19:27
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kjdemco_ |
if Iran was not, well, Iran, they would have "Persia" copyrighted |
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19:27
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winr4r |
kjdemco_: misunderstanding copyright law |
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19:28
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kjdemco_ |
its a joke |
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19:29
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winr4r |
anyway, i think ubisoft have some intelligent (i.e. not fuck-headed) people who are willing to see their works used when it means they're not losing money through it |
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19:29
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sethish |
winr4r: why would you assume that? |
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19:30
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winr4r |
sethish: assume what? |
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19:30
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sethish |
look at bethesda and the minecraft guy |
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19:30
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kjdemco_ |
it didnt matters anyway, once its out, its out |
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19:30
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sethish |
trademark law incentivises companies to attack anything that doesn't meet the letter of the law |
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19:31
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winr4r |
sethish: you're confusing copyrights and trademarks |
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19:31
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sethish |
I didn't say anything about copyright |
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19:31
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sethish |
ubisoft would be concerned with the trademark that they own, Prince of Persia |
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19:31
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sethish |
a very profitable brand |
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19:31
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winr4r |
sethish: sorry, i'm confused, you said "why would you assume that?" |
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19:31
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SketchCow |
OK, so. |
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19:32
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winr4r |
and i said "assume what" |
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19:32
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winr4r |
SketchCow: hi! |
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19:32
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SketchCow |
Is someone willing to be admin on this repo? |
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19:32
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sethish |
assume "people who are willing to see their works used when it means they're not losing money through it" |
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19:32
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sethish |
I will |
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19:32
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SketchCow |
Let's make two people admins. |
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19:32
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sethish |
but add my sethwoodworth account rather than the sethbuzz |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
You would basically close out the issues |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
This is like getting a bunny for easter. Are you willing to commit the time to close down and quiet the endless yammering of 10,000 bastard nerds? |
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19:33
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mistym |
I can admin too if you want. |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
I'm thinking sethish and mistym |
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19:33
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SketchCow |
What's your account, misty |
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19:33
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sethish |
Heh. that sounds like something I do anyway |
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19:33
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mistym |
mistydemeo |
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19:33
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winr4r |
SketchCow: i would, except i know *nothing* about assembly language or programming old computers so someone could literally post a patch to write dongs on screen and i'd not know that from a useful patch |
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mistym |
I already do that tons for another popular repo I'm on, no harm in adding a second :V |
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19:34
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sethish |
I'm not sure there needs to be patches to this. This is about hosting the original sourcecode |
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19:34
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SketchCow |
How do I add you two. |
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19:34
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sethish |
admin this repo is in the top right |
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19:35
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winr4r |
sethish: and i did not assume that, btw, because a long time ago while i was an admin at the wikimedia commons, ubisoft signed a release that said that any screenshots could be licensed under a do-anything-you-like-with-it license |
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19:35
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sethish |
and add collaborators |
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19:35
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mistym |
Then Collaborators, and just type in the github name. |
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19:35
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winr4r |
sethish: so obviously they have, or at least had, sane people at the helm |
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19:36
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SketchCow |
Sethish, if you have ANY concerns about this, I don't think you should be an admin. |
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19:36
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sethish |
I have no concerns |
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19:36
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SketchCow |
Yes you do |
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19:36
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sethish |
about accepting patches? |
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19:36
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mistym |
SketchCow: Just to verify - this is basically just closing issues. No/minimal responses, no pulling code, etc. |
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19:37
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SketchCow |
About tradmark stuff |
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19:37
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sethish |
Oh |
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19:37
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sethish |
I was just saying that companies are not sane, but I said "I highly doubt this will be a problem" |
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19:38
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sethish |
and if it were, I would be willing to weather difficulties |
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19:38
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SketchCow |
OK, you're added. |
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19:38
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SketchCow |
So yeah, this is bascially so that a human being looks at this |
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19:38
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SketchCow |
Because jordan and I will NOT be looking at it |
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19:38
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SketchCow |
If you see people bringing up something legit like "where is X" |
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19:39
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SketchCow |
I can see if I can track down X. |
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19:39
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mistym |
Right. |
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19:39
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SketchCow |
But right now, only Tony has some of the data, that will be added in the futue. |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/issues/3#issuecomment-5183761 |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
SO DELICIOUSLY NERDY |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
So there you go, he commented and left it open. |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
But the issue is closed. |
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19:40
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mistym |
So very closed. |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
If he re-opens, the defualt answer is "jordan has said all he will say" |
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19:40
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SketchCow |
And close again |
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19:41
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winr4r |
wow |
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19:41
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SketchCow |
Because yeah, Jordan is off working on a ton of other things. |
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19:41
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winr4r |
that reminds me of me like 4 years ago |
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19:41
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sethish |
HA it's paultag |
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19:41
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SketchCow |
P.S. Yesterday, I played the new Karateka. |
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19:41
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SketchCow |
If you liked the old Karateka, you will love the new Karateka. |
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19:41
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SketchCow |
That's all I'm saying! |
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19:41
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shaqfu |
There's a new Karateka? |
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19:41
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shaqfu |
Well, will be, I suppose |
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19:42
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SketchCow |
There will be, soon or not so soon, a new kareteka. |
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19:42
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Wyatt |
New Karateka exists! :D |
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19:42
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SketchCow |
Go somewhere to leak this to sites and I will murder you and anyone who said they loved you |
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19:42
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SketchCow |
There's comments out there, news out there, mentioning it |
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19:42
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shaqfu |
I think I saw him mentioning a revival |
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19:42
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SketchCow |
Yes |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
Anyway, I just wanted to say... it is awesome |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
And multi-platform, have no fear |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
And hooray |
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19:43
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winr4r |
:) |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
But he will have no marketing, so let's wait until it exists. |
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19:43
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shaqfu |
I'm piqued, but I won't ask |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
And then get him some sales. |
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19:43
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shaqfu |
He's doing it w/o Ubi? |
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19:44
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Wyatt |
Holy smokes, why is this such a good year for games? |
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19:44
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SketchCow |
It's me |
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19:45
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SketchCow |
Also, apparently a group in germany used a sample of me from a speech in a new EP |
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19:45
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SketchCow |
They asked for permission, and I said yes, and the mp3 showed up in my mail today, a preview |
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19:45
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nitro2k01 |
SUE THEM! |
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19:45
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nitro2k01 |
Oh |
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19:45
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nitro2k01 |
SUE THEM ANYWAY |
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19:45
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winr4r |
awesome |
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19:46
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SketchCow |
It's a sample of me going "I hit a coyote." |
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19:46
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winr4r |
totally unrelated, but does anyone know any model engineers or people who are used to dealing with very small screws? |
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19:46
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winr4r |
i've tried everywhere else, so this is as good a place to ask as anywhere |
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19:47
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mistym |
SketchCow: I totally want to hear this EP. |
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19:47
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Wyatt |
The mental image of Jason boxing a coyote in the snout with the rest of the pack in a ring about them is kind of special. |
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19:47
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sethish |
SketchCow: if it is not too much trouble, could I get you to add my personal account rather than my work account 'sethwoodworth' rather than 'sethbuzz' |
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19:47
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SketchCow |
http://album.textfiles.com/index.cgi?d=2006.01.24.INDUSTRY&id=IMG_5734.JPG |
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19:47
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winr4r |
Wyatt: it's not even that hard to imagine |
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19:48
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SketchCow |
Why did you ask me a question and lack the information |
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19:48
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winr4r |
SketchCow: ! |
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19:48
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SketchCow |
I added sethwoodworth |
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19:48
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SketchCow |
Was that wrong? |
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19:48
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winr4r |
SketchCow: i have a lathe here, but it can't make 1.34mm-diameter screws :/ |
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19:49
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winr4r |
(or anything that requires more precision than 0.025mm :<) |
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19:49
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sethish |
my bad, I was looking at the contributors, not the people added IGNORE ME |
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19:50
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SketchCow |
ISSUE CLOSED |
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19:57
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winr4r |
SketchCow: are those folks whose lathe that is worth me contacting if i can't find a source for my screw? |
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19:57
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SketchCow |
I doubt it BUT |
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19:57
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SketchCow |
Museum of Industry, Waltham, MA |
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19:58
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SketchCow |
http://www.crmi.org/ |
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19:59
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winr4r |
okay, so they make screws for *really* old shit, i'm guessing |
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19:59
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SketchCow |
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558574_10150925105439918_575139917_12944027_59715044_n.jpg |
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19:59
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SketchCow |
Yes, but more likely, they might know someone to contact |
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19:59
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winr4r |
haha, that picture |
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20:00
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winr4r |
my camera is from 1978, so i can't imagine the screws are *that* weird |
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20:00
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SmileyG |
3d printer? |
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20:01
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winr4r |
SmileyG: i wish |
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20:02
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winr4r |
i've measured them with a vernier at 1.34mm, the closest metric sizes are either 1.2 or 1.4mm, and even 12BA screws (unlikely for an east german camera) are 1.3mm |
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20:02
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* |
sethish plans a weekend trip to waltham |
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20:05
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winr4r |
sethish: that's what i thought, haha |
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20:05
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winr4r |
i LOVE that stuff |
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20:06
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shaqfu |
Is that a working museum? |
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20:10
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SketchCow |
OKAY OFFICIALLY OFF TOPIC |
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20:10
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winr4r |
haha sorry SketchCow |
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20:10
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winr4r |
(but do ask around if you know anyone) |
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20:11
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mistym |
Whoa, what? Google just returned a result to a Geocities page and the link works. |
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20:12
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shaqfu |
A few still live on |
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20:12
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SmileyG |
o_O |
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20:12
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winr4r |
mistym: wat! |
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20:12
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winr4r |
mistym: a .jp? |
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20:12
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mistym |
Not .jp - I know that's still active. |
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20:12
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mistym |
http://www.geocities.com/spunk1111/nature.htm |
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20:14
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SketchCow |
Some still live if they're connected to for-pay accounts |
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20:14
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mistym |
Huh. I had no idea. |
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20:14
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winr4r |
mistym: excellent |
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20:14
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SketchCow |
http://fos.textfiles.com/jasonsample.mp3 |
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20:14
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SketchCow |
That goes NOWHERE |
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20:14
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SketchCow |
It's for people who were wondering |
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20:15
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winr4r |
SketchCow: excellent |
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20:17
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SketchCow |
So, as much as I give a shit about little political things, does Paul Tagliamonte do a lot of this demandy stuff on github? |
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20:17
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SketchCow |
He is bowing and scraping all fine, but Jordan is literally done with that aspect of the project |
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20:17
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balrog_ |
where? |
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20:18
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balrog_ |
oh, I see |
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20:19
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winr4r |
okay, really quick question for my photography friends: how do i set infinity focus in the dark if my lens doesn't have a hard infinity focus stop |
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20:19
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winr4r |
ISS pass in about 17 minutes |
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20:22
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dnova |
focus as far away as it goes. |
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20:22
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winr4r |
dnova: it'll focus past infinity, that's what i meant by no hard infinity focus stop |
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20:25
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SketchCow |
Again, derail in archiveteam |
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20:25
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winr4r |
sorry SketchCow |
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sethish |
SketchCow: not on github afaik, but elsewhere. He and I were involved in rewriting the Scratch license so it could be included into debian. |
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20:25
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SketchCow |
feel free to make #archiveteam-jason-is-mean |
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SmileyG |
lol |
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20:25
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SmileyG |
my cat says hi |
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20:26
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SmileyG |
he thinks sockington might be his long lost cousin. |
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20:26
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nitro2k01 |
INTERNET! |
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20:28
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nitro2k01 |
The Inter-net is pretty cool, except that so many people are wrong on it. |
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20:28
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shaqfu |
On-topic, does anyone know what "data electronics" can be classified under? |
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20:28
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shaqfu |
Typing up this manual for them, and it's mostly schematics/jargon that are well beyond me |
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20:44
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SketchCow |
Github question |
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20:44
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SketchCow |
Is it possible to see what changes have been made to all the forks? |
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20:46
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Wyatt |
Easily? I don't think so. But you should be able to go to any fork and see what they've pushed to github |
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20:46
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Wyatt |
I could well be wrong on this; I mostly use github for hosting repositories and the occasional bug report |
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20:47
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mistym |
Yup, there's the fork network: https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/network |
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20:47
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SketchCow |
THanks, mistym |
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20:47
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SketchCow |
I like your answer more than Wyatt's. |
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20:47
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Wyatt |
Oh, neat! |
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20:48
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Wyatt |
Me too |
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20:48
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mistym |
Which is charmingly useless on uber-popular projects like Homebrew, but for something with a sub-ten thousand number of forks it's really useful. |
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20:49
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Wyatt |
Hah, someone already removed the copy protection. |
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20:49
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SketchCow |
for each in `netstat -an | grep 208.86.224.90 | cut -c45- | cut -f1-4 -d"." | sort -u` ; do BOB=`netstat -an | grep $each | wc -l` ; echo "$each ($BOB)" ; done |
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20:49
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SketchCow |
SOMEONE'S GONNA GET RAPAAAPAPAPAPA |
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20:51
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SketchCow |
for each in `netstat -an | grep 208.86.224.90 | cut -c45- | cut -f1-4 -d"." | sort -u` ; do BOB=`netstat -an | grep $each | wc -l` ; if [ "$BOB" -gt 10 ]; then echo "$each ($BOB)" ; fi; done |
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20:51
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SketchCow |
Makes it for just the piggies. |
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20:51
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SketchCow |
Have you seen the little piggies, sucking up my net / and for all the little piggies soon their snouts get wet / when I take a pipe / to banninate them |
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20:52
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Wyatt |
Someone chewing on your server again? :( |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
121.8.210.19 ( 13) |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
190.139.209.130 ( 17) |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
31.130.159.196 ( 35) |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
38.110.6.187 ( 12) |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
74.73.109.158 ( 12) |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
80.3.168.83 ( 12) |
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20:52
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winr4r |
back |
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20:52
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SketchCow |
You might say that |
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20:53
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winr4r |
i fear your command-line fu |
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20:53
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shaqfu |
Funny; don't see myself in there |
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20:53
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winr4r |
saw the ISS, got a little straight line in the far top right of my frame |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
69.60.115.186 ( 45) |
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20:54
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shaqfu |
Oh, only more than ten connections |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
# piggies |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
121.8.210.19 ( 13) |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
155.212.12.151 ( 12) |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
190.139.209.130 ( 17) |
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20:54
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SketchCow |
74.129.160.216 ( 12) |
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20:55
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SketchCow |
In the future I'll be able to find the little piggies faster. |
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20:57
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balrog_ph |
Wow Twitter is committing, in writing, to not use any of its patents offensively |
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20:57
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SketchCow |
104 forks of prince of persia, 1,002 watchers |
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20:58
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balrog_ph |
I know |
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sethish |
SketchCow: and only one person has made a commit in any of those forks, to RM the copy protection |
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21:02
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SketchCow |
Well, it's tough to commit when there's no working data. |
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21:03
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balrog_ph |
But you can't just rm the copy protection like that. |
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21:03
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balrog_ph |
The data simply won't fit on two disks without elements of the copy protection |
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21:03
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SketchCow |
Sure you can |
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21:03
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balrog_ph |
(the weird 18-sector format) |
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21:03
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SketchCow |
The code will continue to work as well as it currently does |
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21:05
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sethish |
I should go find the sound dumps somewhere, I need a new txt message noise. |
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21:07
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SketchCow |
http://t.co/wHAbr7ik |
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21:16
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Coderjoe |
http://i.imgur.com/pLvgE.jpg |
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21:21
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balrog_ph |
We made Slashdot. |
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21:21
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mistym |
Nice! |
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21:23
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SketchCow |
haha |
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21:25
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Wyatt |
Semi-unrelated, is Slashdot healthy from a "continued existence" standpoint? I can't imageine it disappearing, but I never imagined Geocities would either. |
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21:26
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mistym |
Wyatt: Their owner doesn't seem to have any interest in shutting them down, though it is in somewhat of a transition after CmdrTaco left. |
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21:27
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balrog_ph |
Isn't it owned by the same people who own SF? |
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21:28
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mistym |
Yeah. Also owns Thinkgeek, and Freecode (formerly Freshmeat). |
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21:30
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Wyatt |
SF? Oh, Sourceforge. |
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21:41
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philpem |
Sourceforge? Oh yeah, the 1990s version of Github :) |
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21:41
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* |
philpem wonders if his SF account is still active... |
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21:42
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Coderjoe |
very late 90s |
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21:54
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Semi-Noma |
can I ask for a little help with something? |
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21:55
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dnova |
maybe |
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21:57
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Semi-Noma |
there's this forum on the internet which is going to undergo a purge of several threads by Monday. I was thinking about backing it up myself but, at this time, I have no disk space or time for that |
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21:57
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shaqfu |
How large are the threads? |
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21:59
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Wyatt |
And what kind of forum is it? |
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22:01
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Semi-Noma |
it's a phpBB forum. At this point it's got about 150000 posts across 1700 threads. Not sure how big it is, but the administrators mentioned that until recently, before the latest purge, the database itself was 800 MB. |
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22:02
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shaqfu |
What's the link? |
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22:03
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dnova |
jesus christ, 800 whole megabytes |
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22:03
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Wyatt |
Ooh, I'd like to know more about this myself. I had some success using httrack on a phpBB at one point, but I'm not confident in my dump. |
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22:03
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dnova |
what a burden |
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22:03
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Semi-Noma |
http://www.fahrenheit.net.pl/forum/ |
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22:03
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shaqfu |
(and for the wget warriors: any easy way to scrape down offsite images automatically?) |
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22:03
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DFJustin |
--page-requisites? |
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22:04
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dnova |
have you tried asking the admins for a database dump, Semi-Noma? |
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22:04
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shaqfu |
Does that pick up bbcode? |
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22:04
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Wyatt |
shaqfu: I'm pretty sure bbcode gets converted to html after posting... |
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22:04
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DFJustin |
bbcode is internal to the forum software, if you're seeing an image in the browser it's serving html |
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22:05
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shaqfu |
Derp, right |
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22:06
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shaqfu |
Semi-Noma: I'm guessing it's the big threads getting purged? |
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22:07
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dnova |
I currently own a forum that dates back to 1999 or so, but the previous owners had a hobby of mass deleting old threads every couple of years |
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22:08
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dnova |
very sad that all that history, from the golden age of the particular forum, is all gone forever |
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22:08
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shaqfu |
Golden age of forums, in general |
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22:08
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dnova |
I'd pay for better hosting before I deleted anything |
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22:08
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Semi-Noma |
@shaqfu: Actually it's not as bad as I made it out to be (sorry), basically it's scheduled to touch only one sub-forum for now. Still, apparently such purges happened several times in the past and are going to happen again, so the rest of the forum is worth securing as well. |
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22:11
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Semi-Noma |
Anyway, I've just asked the admin via PM if there's a possibility to hand over a copy of the forum database. Gotta wait for the answer now though. |
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22:12
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shaqfu |
I'm surprised he purges it at 800MB |
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22:12
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Semi-Noma |
Supposedly it was becoming too slow. |
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22:14
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Wyatt |
Ermm, even phpBB shouldn't get slow at only 150k posts. |
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22:30
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Coderjoe |
if it is slow, your database server is probably too slow and/or isn't caching data well. (or your database doesn't have proper indexes) |
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22:30
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Coderjoe |
or even with good indexes, your database server makes poor choices for a query plan |
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22:31
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Wyatt |
phpBB and MySQL version may also play a part, no? |
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22:31
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Coderjoe |
yeah |
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22:32
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Coderjoe |
or the web server isn't powerful enough for the amount of work it is doing (especially in shared hosting environments) |
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22:33
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bbot_ |
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Scott Thompson, the new CEO of Yahoo Inc. YHOO +2.73% , said Tuesday afternoon that the Internet pioneer will shutter several properties and initiatives in order to focus on its "core" business areas that include news, finance, sports, entertainment and e-mail. |
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bbot_ |
In a conference call to discuss the company's first quarter results and outlook, Thompson said the company will be shutting down or "transitioning" about 50 different properties, as well as "stopping development of a number of initiatives, including platforms for outside publishers and theoretical science, that were outside of our core." |
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Coderjoe |
why am I not surprised |
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22:34
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Coderjoe |
flickr? |
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22:35
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Wyatt |
Oh boy, here we go again. |
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22:51
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kennethre |
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/nasa-tournament-lab-holds-a-contest-for-software-ideas.ars |
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22:51
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kennethre |
solution: shove it all on archive.org :P |
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23:12
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Semi-Noma |
okay, I just began downloading only the threads from the subforum which is going to be purged. This can be downloaded in minutes. I have no idea why I didn't simply do that earlier instead of panicking and coming here. Derp. |
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23:12
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shaqfu |
Web pages tend to be small |
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23:13
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shaqfu |
I was wondering why you panicked; unless you're on a severe bandwidth cap/throttle, 800MB doesn't take long |
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23:15
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Semi-Noma |
Well, I tried downloading it and somehow, it occupied almost 2 GB on my hard drive after about ten hours of downloading. I'm guessing I screwed something up. |
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23:15
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Semi-Noma |
In any case, after ten hours it was still not done. |
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23:19
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shaqfu |
Hm, weird |
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23:19
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shaqfu |
What command did you use? |
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23:20
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Semi-Noma |
wget -r -l inf -o log.txt -np --include-directories=/forum -P fahrenheit --tries=0 --convert-links http://fahrenheit.net.pl/forum/ |
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23:24
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Wyatt |
Did you exclude the reply and user profile pages? I think that bit me at one point. |
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23:24
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Semi-Noma |
That might have been a problem, yeah. |
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23:24
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Semi-Noma |
I've archived some webpages before, but I don't think I ever tried wget'ing an entire big phpBB forum. |
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23:25
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Semi-Noma |
Oh well, a lesson for the future. |
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23:38
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closure |
I've seen forums where there are an approximatly infinite number of urls under it, just variants on parameters.. makes wget run forever but a smart traverse work |